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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 26, 2020 3:08:13 GMT -5
May be that you could do me a favor? (Insightful , as you present your presence ) š Consider that consciousness cannot exist , without Intentionality? Just as intentionality cannot be present without consciousness . That as it is, how can āhuman natureā evolve if intentionality Would fail to account for a genetic āmutation ā. Mutations, in theory , cannot be proven to lack intentionality, imo Can you see that this intentionality is a thorn to the theory Unintentional micro-evolution, not that we need to Understand all of the possible intentions available to consider. In other words, can intentionality be compatible with Unintentional mutations ? It may be there is Spiecies are indeed intentionally Created , as opposed to unintentionally? Personally, I cannot perceive how we can make a proof for Either, thus by default we should favor the logic that Is necessary in order of the intention being thus projected hmmm Itās all good! Thank you I donāt believe that Iām the person who can answer your very interesting question.. I have long given up discussing evolution because itās a pointless endeavour when discussing it with those who deny it.. Im sure an Evolutionary Biologist would answer your question though.. Cheers |
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Post by So then on Mar 26, 2020 3:21:34 GMT -5
Ok, itās mainly about intentionality and intelligence
Not necessarily my strong points! Nevertheless,
Just as sure as intentional cannot be produced via
Unintentional effort, the intentionality has to be present
In order to understand what the lack of intention (unintentional)
Would contain. āLight overcomes darknessā, ā
Darkness in itself cannot āovercomeā the shining light we know
as Knowledge/intelligence.
IMO
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Post by So then on Mar 26, 2020 3:30:10 GMT -5
So then , we humans cannot imagine what unintelligent
life would be like?? ??
We need a paradigm that tells us intelligence cannot
be ārelativeā but absolute and intentional, imo
And that would exclude unintentional origins of life, imo
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2020 3:35:57 GMT -5
Thanks, but I already know about C.S. Lewis.
He wrote great literature (although it was always from his Christian religious views).
However, C.S. Lewis was just one of many Christian apologetics and needs to be viewed from that perspective.
Christian apologetics is a branch of Christian theology that defends Christianity against objections.
from wiki Yes, it does. But, interestingly Mr. Lewis doesnāt use the Bible . He uses reason. Intelligent Design isnāt necessarily Christian apologetics.
Intelligent Design is Christian oriented and therefore a part of Christian apologetics.
Intelligent design
Discovery Institute
Intelligent design is a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins".
Proponents claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."
ID is a form of creationism that lacks empirical support and offers no testable or tenable hypotheses, so it is not science.
The leading proponents of ID are associated with the Discovery Institute, a Christian, politically conservative think tank based in the United States.
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Post by So then on Mar 26, 2020 4:08:17 GMT -5
Simply where I choose to deny unintentional
origin of life, is based on the perfection of the DNA
code!!
because I believe it to be whole and intentional
i perceive that all genetic information is intentional
any alterations to the code are intentional, by
definition of known information.
it is only an assumption that some information
is āunintentional ā, yes! , Unless we develop
an instrument that can detect āunintentionalityā!!
ha, that would certainly be as difficult as producing the whole theory of origin of life, and demonstrating that unintentional mechanisms
were detected and prevailed over intentional codes/information?
hmmmm.
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Post by So then on Mar 27, 2020 22:09:01 GMT -5
On the larger scale of life, is it imperative that we side
with 96% of the scientists? , or can we lodge a
counter opinion, and side with the scant minority ~. (the 4%)
Itās a simple question , and an obvious answer!?
And yet the 96% , seem to rest their laurel on the
side that has the largest Army!??!
Say what Army? Isnāt there enough already, can
We live in peace , even if we believe those 96% are
Using their head for a āhat rackā? I sure hope so even though.
Hmmm
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Post by So then on Mar 27, 2020 22:37:14 GMT -5
āThe cattle on a thousand hills belong to our
Creator!ā
so then, hmmm, got to be thankful that those
āthousand hillsā are covered with grasses and clovers! !
i do not like my skinny hamburgers and steaks
to be produced by skinny cows!
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Post by Laws of God on Mar 29, 2020 20:52:48 GMT -5
First Observer, and first observation: God saw it, and it was good!
Essential science in action!
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Post by So then on Mar 29, 2020 23:19:25 GMT -5
hmmmm
hmmmm
let me throw in an opinion!
yes , Creation is Good!
and I will concede, where would we be without
the concept of gratitude for all that Creation
stands for.
Truth, mercy, compassion, forgiveness, :://faith, hope. Charity,
and the greatest of these is Charity .
and let us have Faith from a sound mind ,
one that lived and loved the truth for ever and ever
thank you
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Post by So then on Mar 29, 2020 23:33:57 GMT -5
And donāt question the things that God
ordains, there is a reason and a season
for all things under heaven, as there is in heaven
so be it in our purpose for responding to that plan.
far far beyond our observations of the knowable
material world /universe.
if all things were mine, but not the Saviourās
approval, would my life be worth, our life long strife..??
(paraphrased from the hymn, thank you)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 23:36:05 GMT -5
And donāt question the things that God ordains, there is a reason and a season for all things under heaven, as there is in heaven so be it in our purpose for responding to that plan. far far beyond our observations of the knowable material world /universe. if all things were mine, but not the Saviourās approval, would my life be worth, our life long strife..?? (paraphrased from the hymn, thank you) so, are you professing or not? |
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Post by So then on Mar 29, 2020 23:59:11 GMT -5
Yes, I love our fellowship, I do not like the
any doctrines that were written by men,
including : OSAS, POTS, Trinity, and anything
that is not clearly spoken by Our Christ ,Jesus.
doctrine of God is whole and not divided into
separated morsels, as tasty as each morsel
might seem, we cannot experience the wholeness
of God, unless we keep The whole and sacred/holy
i hope that tells you what I profess!!
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Post by ant_rotten on Mar 30, 2020 0:01:33 GMT -5
Yes, I love our fellowship, I do not like the any doctrines that were written by men, including : OSAS, POTS, Trinity, and anything that is not clearly spoken by Our Christ ,Jesus. doctrine of God is whole and not divided into separated morsels, as tasty as each morsel might seem, we cannot experience the wholeness of God, unless we keep The whole and sacred/holy i hope that tells you what I profess!! Thanks for replying You do not like the doctrine of the trinity? You just opened a big can of worms with that one.. NATHAN!!!!! šš |
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 0:09:58 GMT -5
Yes, I love our fellowship, I do not like the any doctrines that were written by men, including : OSAS, POTS, Trinity, and anything that is not clearly spoken by Our Christ ,Jesus. doctrine of God is whole and not divided into separated morsels, as tasty as each morsel might seem, we cannot experience the wholeness of God, unless we keep The whole and sacred/holy i hope that tells you what I profess!! Thanks for replying You do not like the doctrine of the trinity? You just opened a big can of worms with that one.. NATHAN!!!!! šš We went around that subject many times , many years ago! He has accepted the authority of the Roman Catholic Church , and I really Hope he opens his eyes about the subtle unauthorized doctrines they teach ( teaching for commandments, the morseled doctrines of men!) nevertheless they chew the fat on them! Ha |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 1:55:35 GMT -5
Simply where I choose to deny unintentional origin of life, is based on the perfection of the DNA code!! because I believe it to be whole and intentionali perceive that all genetic information is intentional any alterations to the code are intentional, by definition of known information.
We look at everything that happens as 'intentional."
We ourselves are intentional beings.
We do things with an intentional purpose in mind.
We believe that certain results come from a certain intentional actions.
We consider a certain action, -we plan it, -we deliberate on what the intended outcome will be.
We calculate what the end product will be.
That is just the way we "think" about everything!
Therefore we tend to think that everything else within our sphere of understanding also acts in such an intentional manner.
We even treated the actions of nature as if they also intended to have certain outcome .
That mountain that spewed all that hot lava and covered our village had to have an intended a reason for doing that.
Not knowing the geological reasons for why a volcano acts that way, we surmised the mountain was "angry" and acting like an angry person.
So we "personified" that volcano into something that we could understand.
It was something to be feared as well as placated like we would an angry person.
But being larger and stronger and unknown than any person we knew, -it became a "god."
Creating gods for things that we didn't understand gave us a explanation in a language we could understand and relieved some of our anxiety as to why they happened.
So, ... -There in a rather large "nutshell" - is the reason that you need to believe as you do! 
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Post by Covid19 exposed on Mar 30, 2020 3:10:00 GMT -5
Great video
Not sure how to advance the web link?
It live stream on March 17, 2020. In California
John Bergman , āwho it is killing and why?ā
Wow. š®
He is the most underrated genius Iāve listened to! !
In my opinion
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Post by Corona virus on Mar 30, 2020 3:12:26 GMT -5
Who it is killing and why? By John Bergman
Genius
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 3:20:05 GMT -5
Simply where I choose to deny unintentionalĀ origin of life, is based on the perfection of the DNAĀ code!! because I believe it to be whole and intentionali perceive that all genetic information is intentionalĀ any alterations to the code are intentional, by definition of known information. Ā Ā
We look at everythingĀ that happens as 'intentional."Ā
We ourselves are intentional beings.
WeĀ do things with an intentionalĀ purpose in mind.
We believe thatĀ certain results come fromĀ a certain intentionalĀ actions.
Ā We consider a certain action, -we plan it, -we deliberate on what the intended outcome will be.
WeĀ calculate what the end product will be.
That is just the way weĀ "think" about everything!
Therefore we tend to thinkĀ that everything else within our sphere ofĀ understandingĀ also acts in such an intentional manner.
We even treated the actions of nature as if they also intended to haveĀ certain outcome .
That mountain thatĀ spewed all that hot lava and covered our village had to have an intended a reason for doing that.
Not knowing the geological reasons for why a volcano acts that way, we surmised the mountain was "angry" and acting like an angry person.Ā
Ā So we "personified" that volcano into something that we could understand.
It was something to be feared as well as placated like we would an angry person.
But being larger and stronger and unknown than any person we knew, -it became a "god."
Creating gods for things that we didn't understand gave us a explanation in a language we could understand and relieved some of our anxietyĀ as toĀ why they happened.Ā
So, ...Ā -There in a rather large "nutshell" - is the reason that you need to believe as you do!
[ āāāāāāāāāāāā-2āāāāāā- Reply: God wasnāt Created. Not everyone that talks about God, knows what he is saying, That is my opinion! š |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 4:09:02 GMT -5
Mankind is an "intentional" being.
We look at everything that happens as 'intentional."
We ourselves are intentional beings.
We do things with an intentional purpose in mind.
We believe that certain results come from a certain intentional actions.
We consider a certain action, -we plan it, -we deliberate on what the intended outcome will be.
We calculate what the end product will be.
That is just the way we "think" about everything!
Therefore we tend to think that everything else within our sphere of understanding also acts in such an intentional manner.
We even treated the actions of nature as if they also intended to have certain outcome .
That mountain that spewed all that hot lava and covered our village had to have an intended a reason for doing that.
Not knowing the geological reasons for why a volcano acts that way, we surmised the mountain was "angry" and acting like an angry person.
So we "personified" that volcano into something that we could understand.
It was something to be feared as well as placated like we would an angry person.
But being larger and stronger and unknown than any person we knew, -it became a "god."
Creating gods for things that we didn't understand gave us a explanation in a language we could understand and relieved some of our anxiety as to why they happened.
So, ... -There in a rather large "nutshell" - is the reason that you need to believe as you do!
Reply God wasnāt Created. Not everyone that talks about God, knows what he is saying, That is my opinion! š  I didn't think that you would probably understand it.
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Post by Lee on Mar 30, 2020 8:25:05 GMT -5
"This is just the way we think about things".
I don't think thought can be relegated to a 'way'. Is thought like an involuntary religion, to you?
Are all thoughts involuntary? How did you come to your conclusion about the nature of mind and thought? Do you hold yourself to this standard? Should we take your own words and thoughts ( if we can assume as much ) at face value?
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 18:55:45 GMT -5
"This is just the way we think about things". I don't think thought can be relegated to a 'way'. Is thought like an involuntary religion, to you? Are all thoughts involuntary? How did you come to your conclusion about the nature of mind and thought? Do you hold yourself to this standard? Should we take your own words and thoughts ( if we can assume as much ) at face value? Oh for sure there is much to be said for involuntary thoughts that surface Without a conscious intention. Even so, we could consider āmeditationā as a thought control exercise with defined āintentions ā. Intelligence seems to border very close to intentionality, Imo -// |
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 19:04:10 GMT -5
Reply God wasnāt Created. Not everyone that talks about God, knows what he is saying, That is my opinion! š
It is quite simple really, -but many doĀ have to get out of their usual mindset.I cannot wrap my head around concepts that are Hilariously illogical, aye ? š That said, l have already confessed that I didnāt Create God. If you consider that a falsehood, then you are putting God In a box, and He doesnāt need the boxes you provided! Now that you understand that I didnāt create the unCreated Creator ? Who is your backup candidates? Pray tell! š |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 20:09:11 GMT -5
"This is just the way we think about things".I don't think thought can be relegated to a 'way'. Is thought like an involuntary religion, to you? Are all thoughts involuntary? How did you come to your conclusion about the nature of mind and thought? Do you hold yourself to this standard? Should we take your own words and thoughts ( if we can assume as much ) at face value?
Because we live in certain groups we think as a group far more than we would like to admit.
But because we also have a strong sense of "self" we also tend to believe that what we think is ours and is original with us.
As to how did I come to my ideas, probably because I have a lot of discussions with others, -even my own family.
Don't you discuss such ideas with your own family?
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 20:24:43 GMT -5
"This is just the way we think about things".I don't think thought can be relegated to a 'way'. Is thought like an involuntary religion, to you? Are all thoughts involuntary? How did you come to your conclusion about the nature of mind and thought? Do you hold yourself to this standard? Should we take your own words and thoughts ( if we can assume as much ) at face value?
Because we live in certain groups we think as a group far more than we would like to admit.
But because we also have a strong sense of "self" we also tend to believe that what we think is ours and is original with us.
Regulated
As to how did I come to my ideas, probably because I have a lot of discussions with others, -even my own family.
Don't you discuss such ideas with your own family?
Regulated thoughts..?.? how can we form critical analysis of our environment if we depend on our environment to regulate our thinking i would like to observe and react in an intelligent and intentional manner to aim toward a purpose that is of value to |
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 20:26:13 GMT -5
I didn't think that you would probably understand it.
It is quite simple really, -but many do have to get out of their usual mindset. I cannot wrap my head around concepts that are Hilariously illogical, aye ? š That said, l have already confessed that I didnāt Create God. If you consider that a falsehood, then you are putting God In a box, and He doesnāt need the boxes you provided! Now that you understand that I didnāt create the unCreated Creator ? Who is your backup candidates? Pray tell! š
But why is the concept illogical ?
After all, -there had to be a reason why every culture that we have ever learned anything about has always created some kind of supernatural being or beings and wove a story around those beings in an effort to try to understand what was happening in their world.
PS: Why are you taking it personally?
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 30, 2020 20:34:52 GMT -5
Our thoughts are way more regulated about our environment and the events that happen around us then we realize.
Because we live in certain groups we think as a group far more than we would like to admit.
But because we also have a strong sense of "self" we also tend to believe that what we think is ours and is original with us.
Regulated
As to how did I come to my ideas, probably because I have a lot of discussions with others, -even my own family.
Don't you discuss such ideas with your own family?
Regulated thoughts..?.? how can we form critical analysis of our environment if we depend on our environment to regulate our thinking i would like to observe and react in an intelligent and intentional manner to aim toward a purpose that is of value to
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 20:36:53 GMT -5
I cannot wrap my head around concepts that are Hilariously illogical, aye ? š That said, l have already confessed that I didnāt Create God. If you consider that a falsehood, then you are putting God In a box, and He doesnāt need the boxes you provided! Now that you understand that I didnāt create the unCreated Creator ? Who is your backup candidates? Pray tell! š
But why is the concept illogical ?
After all, -there had to be a reason why every culture that we have ever learned anything about has always created some kind of supernatural being or beings and wove a story around those beings in an effort to try to understand what was happening in their world.
PS: Why are you taking it personally?
I didn't say that YOU did anything.its illogical because you do not consider that our Creator doesnāt go about looking for false gods that canāt create ,communicate, teach truth , have mercy, forgive, and Live eternal past āto future āwhen you know all , there isnāt another like Him |
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Post by So then on Mar 30, 2020 20:45:16 GMT -5
Well, as I already said; -I realized that you might have a hard time trying to "wrap (your) head around" such concepts!
But why is the concept illogical ?
After all, -there had to be a reason why every culture that we have ever learned anything about has always created some kind of supernatural being or beings and wove a story around those beings in an effort to try to understand what was happening in their world.
PS: Why are you taking it personally?
I didn't say that YOU did anything. its illogical because you do not consider that our Creator doesnāt go about looking for false gods that canāt create ,communicate, teach truth , have mercy, forgive, and Live eternal past āto future āwhen you know all , there isnāt another like Him Those other gods are false gods, the first false god was based on the legend of Noahās grandson Nimrod, from Babylonia who wanted to build a tower that could reach heaven ā. Not sure exactly why he wanted that ! Turns out he was afraid of another delugeā and was not about to drown in such an event, Yet God said he wouldnāt send another deluge. I believe Him. |
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I didn't think that you would probably understand it.