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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 23:40:41 GMT -5
If I was a worker,........ I’d duck for cover if I saw you coming.
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Post by Gene on Jan 1, 2020 23:42:47 GMT -5
Try spelling the password correctly. You've spelled it incorrectly twice in this post alone. Are you really as incompetent as you make yourself out to be on this board, or is that just some weird persona you've adopted in the hopes of making yourself out to be a... well... I'm not sure what? I realized that gene - that is why I select copied and pasted - still getting the same negative response. It would seem that they have changed their password and only those allowed to know it will have the correct spelling let alone right password. It all looks the same to me - a very difficult means of doing business except if one is one of the select customers. But I am not out of options for some time yet - difficult things in regard to 2x2 secrecy just interiuge my creativity - and as a last ditch I do know some workers to ask, which still shows that it is an EXCCLUSIVE hymnal for an EXCLUSIVE club. You're doing it wrong. I just tried it myself and it worked just fine. Do better.
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Post by Grant on Jan 1, 2020 23:43:36 GMT -5
Try spelling the password correctly. You've spelled it incorrectly twice in this post alone. Are you really as incompetent as you make yourself out to be on this board, or is that just some weird persona you've adopted in the hopes of making yourself out to be a... well... I'm not sure what? I realized that gene - that is why I select copied and pasted - still getting the same negative response. It would seem that they have changed their password and only those allowed to know it will have the correct spelling let alone right password. It all looks the same to me - a very difficult means of doing business except if one is one of the select customers. But I am not out of options for some time yet - difficult things in regard to 2x2 secrecy just interiuge my creativity - and as a last ditch I do know some workers to ask, which still shows that it is an EXCCLUSIVE hymnal for an EXCLUSIVE club. I just logged in using allan, no problem. I haven't tried to order a book if that's what you're trying to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 23:47:41 GMT -5
If I was a worker,........ I’d duck for cover if I saw you coming. I doubt that - first you would need to be aworker who knows who to duck for cover from. If I was not a worker, I would duck for cover if I saw you coming. ( after skimming over your attention seeking, complication seeking posts]
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jan 1, 2020 23:53:32 GMT -5
Try spelling the password correctly. You've spelled it incorrectly twice in this post alone. Are you really as incompetent as you make yourself out to be on this board, or is that just some weird persona you've adopted in the hopes of making yourself out to be a... well... I'm not sure what? I realized that gene - that is why I select copied and pasted - still getting the same negative response. It would seem that they have changed their password and only those allowed to know it will have the correct spelling let alone right password. It all looks the same to me - a very difficult means of doing business except if one is one of the select customers. But I am not out of options for some time yet - difficult things in regard to 2x2 secrecy just interiuge my creativity - and as a last ditch I do know some workers to ask, which still shows that it is an EXCCLUSIVE hymnal for an EXCLUSIVE club. I just clicked on the link and put in the password allan where it was requested and it worked fine. Suggest you might have cap locks on or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 23:58:11 GMT -5
I just logged in using allan, no problem. I haven't tried to order a book if that's what you're trying to do. Very interesting indeed - I copied and pasted yours and it worked for me too. I would preserve copy if I intended more than a one time deal with R.L.Allan, but that won't be necessary unless R.L.Alan refuses my order. But THANK you very Kindly - all the "fuss" over a hymn book is officially at its end it seems - there is a God, I'm sure, who was not excited about me offering up to $100 for two 6.00 pound books out of His money. Strange as it may seem but I visualise your God like this Attachment Deleted
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2020 0:22:21 GMT -5
I have just bought one. So easy. The passwod works and I used the name Lloyd Fortt.
jesus wept for a reason.
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Post by daft on Jan 2, 2020 8:15:35 GMT -5
Do the workers intentionally 'control' who can get copy of their hymn book? With the Internet full of information of all tyes these days I searched for “Hymns Old and New published bt R. L. Allen & Son in Scotland to try to fiond a source for the book. Besides discovering that there are several different “Hymns Old and New” titles including one for the Anglican Church, the only source that even resembles the 2x2 hymn book that I found was a site names “Goodreads” offering a “Hymns Old and New {Words Only} y R.L. Allan (Editor)” with no image to tell if it is the 2x2 version. Another site named “thriftbooks” shows an image of what looks like the 2x2 hymn book, with no such discription to identify it as either R. L. Allen or by whom. And that site says they get 1 copy every six months and that it is currently unavailable. As I recall, while I was a young 2x2 (the only time I was a 2x2) my parents obtained both a KJV Bible and hymn book for me through the workers. So does anyone on here know how and where a non-2x2 might get a copy of the current 2x2 hymn book? PM me if you want the entire current hymn book in PDF. It was emailed to me by a worker.
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Post by mountain on Jan 2, 2020 11:50:10 GMT -5
Grats, please take a step or two back from this. In your efforts to arouse suspicions about the Workers' motives in this matter (there may be an issue here, but I know not?), you are now making it obvious there is a far greater issue with your own motives here, none of which come from the Spirit of God that you wish others to test the Workers' actions with. If I remember correctly, back in the early 90s I ordered several copies of the 1987 HOAN and a copy of the music hymnal direct from R.L. Allen without registration or password (pre-digital era). There clearly wasn't an issue then, but if there is now, I don't know what it is. Maybe there is a very simple explanation? Supply and demand? Keep the few remaining books back for sect members as they want stock to last as long as possible. A reprint would be expensive and since it wouldn't be for replacement purposes like when the 1987 version came out, sales would be very slow. “...none of which come from the Spirit of God ...“ Oh really – how bout 1 John 4? As stated earlier on this thread, knowing that there are more hymns authored by 2x2s or their clergy in the 1987 edition provides an excellent opportunity to obey 1 John 4, which even provides the test a believer would best use. And with this Biblical mandate already stated above, you are showing that YOU are not the best example of testing spirits to see if they come from God – yet. Instead of backing off any, this thread shows a growing need to examine those hymns with a fine toothed comb because already the apparent exclusive access to that hymnal suggests that “they” KNOW there is a problem with which spirit those 2x2 authored hymns will reveal. AND I have already said, no sweat, I will get a copy so I can test those spirits, even if I gotta do so through a worker. Your attempt to force my motive into your derogatory box ain't gonna work nor encourage me to back off ANY. AND I don't need to see more inability to reveal an easy access to obtaining a copy from those who should know of any such easy access. So in that sense I have already backed off all hope that anyone on here can or will help me get a copy – know what I mean, nudge nudge. Goodness me Grats. That is a very serious case of verbal diarrhoea you've got there? I could easily send you one of the three or four copies of the 1987 HOAN that I have lying around somewhere, or the music hymnal. What guarantee though that they will not fall into the wrong hands?
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Post by mountain on Jan 2, 2020 11:53:36 GMT -5
I have just bought one. So easy. The passwod works and I used the name Lloyd Fortt. jesus wept for a reason. Why did you tell him the real password? Now they'll have to change it to 'Gratu?'
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -5
“...none of which come from the Spirit of God ...“ Oh really – how bout 1 John 4? As stated earlier on this thread, knowing that there are more hymns authored by 2x2s or their clergy in the 1987 edition provides an excellent opportunity to obey 1 John 4, which even provides the test a believer would best use. And with this Biblical mandate already stated above, you are showing that YOU are not the best example of testing spirits to see if they come from God – yet. Instead of backing off any, this thread shows a growing need to examine those hymns with a fine toothed comb because already the apparent exclusive access to that hymnal suggests that “they” KNOW there is a problem with which spirit those 2x2 authored hymns will reveal. AND I have already said, no sweat, I will get a copy so I can test those spirits, even if I gotta do so through a worker. Your attempt to force my motive into your derogatory box ain't gonna work nor encourage me to back off ANY. AND I don't need to see more inability to reveal an easy access to obtaining a copy from those who should know of any such easy access. So in that sense I have already backed off all hope that anyone on here can or will help me get a copy – know what I mean, nudge nudge. Goodness me Grats. That is a very serious case of verbal diarrhoea you've got there? I could easily send you one of the three or four copies of the 1987 HOAN that I have lying around somewhere, or the music hymnal. What guarantee though that they will not fall into the wrong hands? Praise the lord that you have escaped that elevator. www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNuFcIRlwdc
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 2, 2020 11:56:25 GMT -5
I have just bought one. So easy. The passwod works and I used the name Lloyd Fortt. jesus wept for a reason. Why did you tell him the real password? Now they'll have to change it to 'Gratu?' I do not understand the issue that he is having. I am not that great on a computer but that was dead easy. I have the impression that there are deeper seated issues with him.
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Post by mountain on Jan 2, 2020 12:02:48 GMT -5
Goodness me Grats. That is a very serious case of verbal diarrhoea you've got there? I could easily send you one of the three or four copies of the 1987 HOAN that I have lying around somewhere, or the music hymnal. What guarantee though that they will not fall into the wrong hands? Praise the lord that you have escaped that elevator. www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNuFcIRlwdcYou see Grats, there is a simple explanation for everything.
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Post by mountain on Jan 2, 2020 12:03:36 GMT -5
Why did you tell him the real password? Now they'll have to change it to 'Gratu?' I do not understand the issue that he is having. I am not that great on a computer but that was dead easy. I have the impression that there are deeper seated issues with him. Naw, naw, naw.............Yes!
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Post by openingact34 on Jan 2, 2020 12:42:23 GMT -5
Wow --- Some seem to like this thread its still relatively on topic into a page 3, which I received the help I asked for (page 1) on page 2 from Ross and Gene and enuf – and reported back that using copy/paste of Ross' password failed several times tried, and I then stopped trying to spell it any longer and copy/pasted enuf's password and reported back on page 2 that it worked for me too – yet there is now a page 3 – and thanks to Ross, Gene and enuf for helping me beat my way through that electronic order-block on R.L.Allan's site – I STILL automatically wonder how many sales R.L.Allan turns away with that password thingy. And I am quite sure that some workers will be pleased now that I'm past that hoop if R.L.Allan refuses to fill my order too, since I have already shown my purpose for obtaining copy on this thread, using just a small bit of the 'stuff' I found on page 1 of the 1951 edition. Back in 2017, the workers started having a GPS tracking chip imbedded in the binding. This is NOT cheap, so the password is there to make sure that they don't waste it on people not connected to the fellowship either as a member or enemy. They might have progressed to adding some newer version with audio or video recording by now. I'd highly recommend that you securely wrap your new hymn books in tinfoil as soon as they arrive.
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Post by mountain on Jan 2, 2020 12:47:40 GMT -5
Wow --- Some seem to like this thread its still relatively on topic into a page 3, which I received the help I asked for (page 1) on page 2 from Ross and Gene and enuf – and reported back that using copy/paste of Ross' password failed several times tried, and I then stopped trying to spell it any longer and copy/pasted enuf's password and reported back on page 2 that it worked for me too – yet there is now a page 3 – and thanks to Ross, Gene and enuf for helping me beat my way through that electronic order-block on R.L.Allan's site – I STILL automatically wonder how many sales R.L.Allan turns away with that password thingy. And I am quite sure that some workers will be pleased now that I'm past that hoop if R.L.Allan refuses to fill my order too, since I have already shown my purpose for obtaining copy on this thread, using just a small bit of the 'stuff' I found on page 1 of the 1951 edition. Back in 2017, the workers started having a GPS tracking chip imbedded in the binding. This is NOT cheap, so the password is there to make sure that they don't waste it on people not connected to the fellowship either as a member or enemy. They might have progressed to adding some newer version with audio or video recording by now. I'd highly recommend that you securely wrap your new hymn books in tinfoil as soon as they arrive. Thanks for nothing! Now they all know. So much now for The Secret Sect!
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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2020 14:54:53 GMT -5
A lot of fuss about a hymnbook..... Anyone in the world can go to www.bibles-direct.co.uk/and type in allan (password is all lower case) where required and order as many as they want. Or lob in at a gospel meeting, get given one and ask if you can keep it - I'm sure they will say yes. Or talk to someone who is either in meetings or has left and ask if they have a spare one they could give you. It's not hard. Thanks Ross, I have alreadyt been there and reported back that in oder to even place an order there R.L.Allen requires registry and password - I'm not about to spread my private into into a data base in Scotland just to order a couple of hymn books. But thank you for trying to make it easy anyway. -- whoa now, I replied that before reading your whole post and another on here suggested "allan" entered as a password - I assumed registry would be required too and therefore that the allen password was just a joke on me - I'll give it a go. Thank you kindly. Nope it reports "The password was incorrect." And I select copied your allan password and pasted it in - still reported back "The password was incorrect." At the gospel meetings I have attended recently, the hymn book handed out to use there IS NOT the normal Hymns Old and New, but it may be otherwise in your locality. And having to connect with someone attending meetings and or recently out is no better than a publisher that blocks non-2x2 orders with a misterious "password" - that makes no good business sense at all that I can think of, but if that is requested of that publisher by their big customer I have no doubt they would complay rather than lose that business. Why do you want one in the first place?
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Post by speak on Jan 2, 2020 14:57:23 GMT -5
I have just bought one. So easy. The passwod works and I used the name Lloyd Fortt. jesus wept for a reason. Hi Lloyd - Now we all know your name - and one WOULD assume that your payment device for the copy you say you ordered "So easy" is not bearing your curlydoomahicky alias. Yawn, eyes roll.
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Post by speak on Jan 2, 2020 14:59:25 GMT -5
I do not understand the issue that he is having. I am not that great on a computer but that was dead easy. I have the impression that there are deeper seated issues with him. Naw, naw, naw.............Yes! You been around the vicar to long?
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Post by speak on Jan 2, 2020 15:00:12 GMT -5
Back in 2017, the workers started having a GPS tracking chip imbedded in the binding. This is NOT cheap, so the password is there to make sure that they don't waste it on people not connected to the fellowship either as a member or enemy. They might have progressed to adding some newer version with audio or video recording by now. I'd highly recommend that you securely wrap your new hymn books in tinfoil as soon as they arrive. Thanks for nothing! Now they all know. So much now for The Secret Sect!
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Post by snow on Jan 2, 2020 16:36:38 GMT -5
Wow --- Some seem to like this thread its still relatively on topic into a page 3, which I received the help I asked for (page 1) on page 2 from Ross and Gene and enuf – and reported back that using copy/paste of Ross' password failed several times tried, and I then stopped trying to spell it any longer and copy/pasted enuf's password and reported back on page 2 that it worked for me too – yet there is now a page 3 – and thanks to Ross, Gene and enuf for helping me beat my way through that electronic order-block on R.L.Allan's site – I STILL automatically wonder how many sales R.L.Allan turns away with that password thingy. And I am quite sure that some workers will be pleased now that I'm past that hoop if R.L.Allan refuses to fill my order too, since I have already shown my purpose for obtaining copy on this thread, using just a small bit of the 'stuff' I found on page 1 of the 1951 edition. Back in 2017, the workers started having a GPS tracking chip imbedded in the binding. This is NOT cheap, so the password is there to make sure that they don't waste it on people not connected to the fellowship either as a member or enemy. They might have progressed to adding some newer version with audio or video recording by now. I'd highly recommend that you securely wrap your new hymn books in tinfoil as soon as they arrive.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 2, 2020 19:49:08 GMT -5
Wow --- Some seem to like this thread its still relatively on topic into a page 3, which I received the help I asked for (page 1) on page 2 from Ross and Gene and enuf – and reported back that using copy/paste of Ross' password failed several times tried, and I then stopped trying to spell it any longer and copy/pasted enuf's password and reported back on page 2 that it worked for me too – yet there is now a page 3 – and thanks to Ross, Gene and enuf for helping me beat my way through that electronic order-block on R.L.Allan's site – I STILL automatically wonder how many sales R.L.Allan turns away with that password thingy. And I am quite sure that some workers will be pleased now that I'm past that hoop if R.L.Allan refuses to fill my order too, since I have already shown my purpose for obtaining copy on this thread, using just a small bit of the 'stuff' I found on page 1 of the 1951 edition. Back in 2017, the workers started having a GPS tracking chip imbedded in the binding. This is NOT cheap, so the password is there to make sure that they don't waste it on people not connected to the fellowship either as a member or enemy. They might have progressed to adding some newer version with audio or video recording by now. I'd highly recommend that you securely wrap your new hymn books in tinfoil as soon as they arrive. Lol!
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Post by joanna on Jan 2, 2020 20:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 0:57:48 GMT -5
Observation: This thread is a great model of the average TMB member for the eyes of any visitor who might want help with anything – its example - a simple benign request for information on where and how to obtain a current copy of Hymns Old and New by page 2 shows that while many laterly appear to have known the simple answer most did everything possible to mislead the asker until near the end of page 2. For the visitor who may want help, the good news is that there are some members very willing to do whatever they can to be of real help. Therefore to any such visitor who is looking for friendly help on this board, I suggest they sit off to the side long enough to see WHO offers help, then, if not registered yet, register using an alias to protect privacy and then through his/her Profile, Private Message (PM) the helper of choice FIRST. This board used to be one of several earlier online places where troubled visitors could get friendly help from those who walked similar paths before them – sadly that friendly died as mainly atheists domineered here. And some of them have shown 'how much help' they will offer on this thread alone. (Final comp. "a few seconds ago") i'm not seeing gratu and benign as compatible...you are anything but benign
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 3, 2020 1:11:30 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Jan 4, 2020 0:16:04 GMT -5
i'm not seeing gratu and benign as compatible...you are anything but benign I didn't expect any member of this board to see ME as benign - the request for that help on page one is still there for visitors to see for themselves and compare to YOUR current stuff as well as take a look at how the thread developed into aggression - the members here already know that I am not a door mat and will give back equal to what i receive from the TMB demo team. But thank you for making it possible for me to delete my last post by your full quoting it. Edit - I see that all those 'bots' that frequent this board have just turned 1000 views on this thread since about 7:00 PM yesterday (an average of 500 views per 12 hours) and I'm encouraged by that audience of 'bots.' Edit 2 - Ah – I see the view counter had a reverse bot attack – the thread that had nearly 22,000 views last night (science v pseudoscience`) now shows 152 views – this has happened briefly previously, but was corrected shortly after the reverse bot attack, so I suspect that the reverse bot`` will be shot again.. Edit 3 - Last edit 2 hours ago - and ah huh, that did not take too long to shoot those 'reverse bots' as "Science v Pseudoscience" is back to its 22,008 count presently, with the current count of 1,167 on this thread in less than 36 hours. Maybe I should ask Proboards for a commission? It is surprising that someone with your claimed expertise is so easily impressed by the page view numbers.
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Post by rational on Jan 4, 2020 8:28:49 GMT -5
Awww I nowwww - but I did answer for providing a link that led to a hymnal THAT IS NOT the 2x2 Hymns Old and New ANYWHERE on that whole page of OTHER books named "Hymns Old and New - you atheists seem to be unable to READ or COMPREHEND or both. And YOU did not answer my question in my reply. YOU can TRY to discredit gratu all you like, and have plenty of times for ages - yet YOU still think you deserve a "thank you" for trying to spoof a fake IN PLACE OF the hymnal I am trying to get. No sweat though, I will get the current 2x2 hymnal as well as any newer edition that is rumored about recently. YOU* are a great encouragement for other atheists to go join the 2x2s, where ast least they will find "The Truth." As I mentioned in the past, the response from readers is a source of ego gratification for @gratu.
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Post by rational on Jan 4, 2020 8:34:23 GMT -5
I realized that gene - that is why I select copied and pasted - still getting the same negative response. It would seem that they have changed their password and only those allowed to know it will have the correct spelling let alone right password. It all looks the same to me - a very difficult means of doing business except if one is one of the select customers. But I am not out of options for some time yet - difficult things in regard to 2x2 secrecy just interiuge my creativity - and as a last ditch I do know some workers to ask, which still shows that it is an EXCCLUSIVE hymnal for an EXCLUSIVE club. I just clicked on the link and put in the password allan where it was requested and it worked fine. Suggest you might have cap locks on or something. I got sucked into looking at the products from Bibles Direct as well. Found the binding of the hymnal that was given to me. India paper music and words edition, leather bound in black natural grain goatskin with 40gsm Bible paper and red under gold art gilt page edges
As a self proclaimed computer professional it raises the question of your your ability to accurately evaluate situations.
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