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Post by slowtosee on Jan 1, 2020 10:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by mountain on Jan 1, 2020 10:55:05 GMT -5
Thank you kindly, but obviously whoever is offering that ONE thinks he/she has a collector's item - for'ONLY' US $59.99. So THAT adds to the impression that workers have restricted WHO can get their hymn book? Or, it may simply be that they simply make an order for so many to be printed which are then distributed amongst the FaWs as necessary. After all, is there a demand for the publication outside the FaW's sect?
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Post by slowtosee on Jan 1, 2020 11:05:17 GMT -5
Doubtful a big case could be made against workers withholding their hymnbooks , other than understanding though , there is a cost involved , to randomly pass out ? It was common , at gospel meetings , that a suitcase full of hymn books were stationed st the entrance of the hall , that people woujd use for the meeting , and then returned afterwards . Of course , some went missing but?
Alvin
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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 1, 2020 12:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 13:59:03 GMT -5
Or, it may simply be that they simply make an order for so many to be printed which are then distributed amongst the FaWs as necessary. After all, is there a demand for the publication outside the FaW's sect? Obviously there is a market "outside the FaW's sect." I may be that whole market and I may not be the only non-2x2 who wants copy. And normally publishers place no restrictions on WHO buys their products. Yet R.L.Allen requires registry and password up front or no sale of its product is even offered. Has anyone another EASIER source than the R.L.Allen site?? I have not yet asked at the local bookstore, but that is in the works as I write this - to see if even a bookstore can order from R.L.Allen without providing private information up front. Gratu, I really hate to burst your bubble of paranoia because I realize your need to "hate" the workers seems to be a sustaining factor for your beliefs. Therefore, I am not sure that I should even tell you where you can get the hymn book that you say you want. But I will take that risk of giving you the information even though there is danger that it may bring about the collapse of one of your delusions.
Try AbeBooks.
www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bsi=0&sortby=17&tn=hymns%20old%20new&prevpage=3
I found two at least, -one below $5.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 1, 2020 15:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 1, 2020 15:06:25 GMT -5
Ah - thank you kindly - thats seems to be just the ticket I have been looking for - now anyone who reads this thread will be able to get one if they want one. Thanks again. On second thought - now with new experience -- Interesting – R.L.Allen lists the music edition as “staff music editions.” And under that link first up appears a “Digital hymnbook,” which then is only available if the purchaser is registered with password – let's see if one can order any of the other music editions without registry with R. L. Allen -- “India Paper” requires registry and password. “Piano Organ” requires registry and password. “Pocket Size” requires registry with password. “Standard” requires registry with password. Words only edition “Large Print” requires registry with password. “Regulkar print” requires registry with password When was the last time you went to buy a book in a bookstore where to make the purchase you had to register and use a password??? So now we have A source. But RESTRICTED availability at that source – WHY??? Ask them if you can order a hymn book
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 15:48:34 GMT -5
At one time you needed a password to get on the Allen website to get a hymnbook. The password was given to me by the workers in our field at the time.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 15:57:03 GMT -5
Gratu,
You do love to call people nasty names don't you?
Could it possibly be that YOU are the one who is 'intentionally playing 2x2 type dum dum act," -as you are always accusing others of doing? Could it possibly be that it was YOU who didn't read the whole section before you jump to the conclusion that I DIDN'T read it?
Hymns Old & New R L Allan & Son Published by UNSPECIFIED VENDOR
Used Condition: Good Hardcover From Powell's Books (Portland, OR, U.S.A.)
AbeBooks Seller Since June 11, 1997 Seller Rating
Quantity Available: 1 View all 27 copies of this book
19 New from US$ 14.01
8 Used from US $ 7.50
Filter by: Soft cover (7) Hardcover (19)
Now, -WHAT must I do next to ward off your nasty comments? Order the book & pay for it myself and then hand deliver it in person to your house?
ps:
BTW, -This is the LAST time I put of any of my time in trying to help you find ANYTHING!
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Post by mountain on Jan 1, 2020 15:57:41 GMT -5
Or, it may simply be that they simply make an order for so many to be printed which are then distributed amongst the FaWs as necessary. After all, is there a demand for the publication outside the FaW's sect? Obviously there is a market "outside the FaW's sect." I may be that whole market and I may not be the only non-2x2 who wants copy. And normally publishers place no restrictions on WHO buys their products. Yet R.L.Allen requires registry and password up front or no sale of its product is even offered. Has anyone another EASIER source than the R.L.Allen site?? I have not yet asked at the local bookstore, but that is in the works as I write this - to see if even a bookstore can order from R.L.Allen without providing private information up front. Biblical mandate for trying to get copy: It is my understanding that the current edition of Hymns Old and New contains quite a few hymns authored by 2x2s or their clergy. AND 1 John 4 instructs believers - Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, Add to that the fact that common 2x2s have tried to make 2x2ism into an orthodoxy by referring to the contents of Hymns Old and New for ages in spite of the fact that up until the 1987 edition, MOST of the hymns contained were authored by NON_@x2s. So the 1987 edition provides a great opportunity to test the 2x2 authors' spirits to see if they are from God. Grats, please take a step or two back from this. In your efforts to arouse suspicions about the Workers' motives in this matter (there may be an issue here, but I know not?), you are now making it obvious there is a far greater issue with your own motives here, none of which come from the Spirit of God that you wish others to test the Workers' actions with. If I remember correctly, back in the early 90s I ordered several copies of the 1987 HOAN and a copy of the music hymnal direct from R.L. Allen without registration or password (pre-digital era). There clearly wasn't an issue then, but if there is now, I don't know what it is. Maybe there is a very simple explanation? Supply and demand? Keep the few remaining books back for sect members as they want stock to last as long as possible. A reprint would be expensive and since it wouldn't be for replacement purposes like when the 1987 version came out, sales would be very slow.
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Post by mavh on Jan 1, 2020 16:34:03 GMT -5
Try using Allan as the password
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 1, 2020 16:57:20 GMT -5
There should be no need for a reprint. With a falling number of believers, those who kick the bucket could easily arrange to have their hymnbook passed on to someone who needs one. Even those who have seen the light (not you gratu) could offer their hymn books to those in need. It's all about recycling.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 1, 2020 18:05:02 GMT -5
Grats, please take a step or two back from this. In your efforts to arouse suspicions about the Workers' motives in this matter (there may be an issue here, but I know not?), you are now making it obvious there is a far greater issue with your own motives here, none of which come from the Spirit of God that you wish others to test the Workers' actions with. If I remember correctly, back in the early 90s I ordered several copies of the 1987 HOAN and a copy of the music hymnal direct from R.L. Allen without registration or password (pre-digital era). There clearly wasn't an issue then, but if there is now, I don't know what it is. Maybe there is a very simple explanation? Supply and demand? Keep the few remaining books back for sect members as they want stock to last as long as possible. A reprint would be expensive and since it wouldn't be for replacement purposes like when the 1987 version came out, sales would be very slow. “...none of which come from the Spirit of God ...“ Oh really – how bout 1 John 4? As stated earlier on this thread, knowing that there are more hymns authored by 2x2s or their clergy in the 1987 edition provides an excellent opportunity to obey 1 John 4, which even provides the test a believer would best use. And with this Biblical mandate already stated above, you are showing that YOU are not the best example of testing spirits to see if they come from God – yet. Instead of backing off any, this thread shows a growing need to examine those hymns with a fine toothed comb because already the apparent exclusive access to that hymnal suggests that “they” KNOW there is a problem with which spirit those 2x2 authored hymns will reveal. AND I have already said, no sweat, I will get a copy so I can test those spirits, even if I gotta do so through a worker. Your attempt to force my motive into your derogatory box ain't gonna work nor encourage me to back off ANY. AND I don't need to see more inability to reveal an easy access to obtaining a copy from those who should know of any such easy access. So in that sense I have already backed off all hope that anyone on here can or will help me get a copy – know what I mean, nudge nudge. OMG what a lot of drama over getting a Hymn Book !!! You seem to love to make everything a drama @gratu....what is it you really want to achieve?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 1, 2020 18:36:51 GMT -5
If you're worried about a password, y'all can go to the home page and read about how you get a password, and why they want you to have a password. It might help you to appreciate why they ask for one.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 1, 2020 18:59:07 GMT -5
There are several for sale and available online. One of them you have said you cannot afford, what is wrong with you buying one of the others? or would you rather flap your mouth about nothing?
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Post by Gene on Jan 1, 2020 19:43:13 GMT -5
Awwww I nowwwww - but I just said I still have my 1951 edition of Hymns Old and New, so you assume that I cannot affoerd that collectors piece at a mere 59 - something -- you are a class act that now shows how well you read and comprehend written sinple English -- no wonder you are an atheist born out of 2x2ism, which used God's word and a hymn book full of 'borrowed' and un-credited Christian hymns (except some proper author credits given in those 1951 "staff music editions". How would I as a child know from the "words only" pocket edition that Fanny J. Crosby, the author of its hymn number one, was not a worker or a 2x2? Even in the "staff music edition" there was no information that she was a Christian lady who wrote hundreds of hChristian ymns - nor does the "staff music edition" reveal that is noted "sltered" was the last two stanzas of verse three. Maybe you might like to see some other altered hymns in the 1951 edition that failed to note that those hymns too were altered? My guess as to why that might be is related to the thread in which workers are said to have been trinitarian because the first set of workers all casme out of Christian churhes - maybe they knew that Fanny J. Crosby was a Christian hymn writer who was too well known to any who even listened within their source Christian churches that they therefore hadda make note in their music edition that Hymn number one was ALTERED (in order to make it less evident that workers were already teaching ANTI-Christian doctrines)? Bloviator.
Go buy one. You have all the info you need. If you need me to mail you one personally, just post your mailing address and I'll be happy to do so.
G
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 20:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 21:51:59 GMT -5
Awww I Nowwww - but I did answer and thanked you too for providing a link that led to a hymnal THAT IS NOT the 2x2 Hymns Old and New - you atheists seem to be unable to READ or COMPREHEND or both. As per your usual you just blame the other person by saying "those ain't the 2x2 hymn book - did you not read the post above tellig of the many "different" hymnals that bear the title "Hymns sod and New?" Or are you intentionally playing 2x2 type dum dum act again?
When if you had taken the trouble to scroll down the list of books offered, -you would have found the book that you want, Hymns Old & New published by R L Allan & Son.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 22:05:17 GMT -5
Bloviator.
Go buy one. You have all the info you need. If you need me to mail you one personally, just post your mailing address and I'll be happy to do so. G Aww I noww - then everyone would no me adress - RIGHT - de dum dum diddly dee. How's this sound to everyone?
Perhaps, we should all just quit "addressing" gratu at all.
Perhaps just ignore him for awhile and let him just answer himself?
What say, everyone?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 22:06:47 GMT -5
As per your usual you just blame the other person by saying "those ain't the 2x2 hymn book - did you not read the post above telling of the many "different" hymnals that bear the title "Hymns sod and New?" Or are you intentionally playing 2x2 type dum dum act again?i
When if you had taken the trouble to scroll down the list of books offered, -you would have found the book that you want, Hymns Old & New published by R L Allan & Son.
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Post by Gene on Jan 1, 2020 22:09:51 GMT -5
Bloviator.
Go buy one. You have all the info you need. If you need me to mail you one personally, just post your mailing address and I'll be happy to do so.
G
Aww I noww - then everyone would no me adress - RIGHT - de dum dum diddly dee. cretin
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 22:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by reborn on Jan 1, 2020 22:19:39 GMT -5
Gratu, peace to you. Do you know of a elder near you? It used to be that elders had extra copies of hymn books to purchase.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 1, 2020 22:34:43 GMT -5
Bloviator.
Go buy one. You have all the info you need. If you need me to mail you one personally, just post your mailing address and I'll be happy to do so.
G
Aww I noww - then everyone would no me adress - RIGHT - de dum dum diddly dee. We already do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:44:39 GMT -5
Aww I noww - then everyone would no me adress - RIGHT - de dum dum diddly dee. How's this sound to everyone?
Perhaps, we should all just quit "addressing" gratu at all.
Perhaps just ignore him for awhile and let him just answer himself?
What say, everyone?
you can always use the ignore feature on TMB that would do it permanently...
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jan 1, 2020 22:50:48 GMT -5
A lot of fuss about a hymnbook..... Anyone in the world can go to www.bibles-direct.co.uk/and type in allan (password is all lower case) where required and order as many as they want. Or lob in at a gospel meeting, get given one and ask if you can keep it - I'm sure they will say yes. Or talk to someone who is either in meetings or has left and ask if they have a spare one they could give you. It's not hard.
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Post by Gene on Jan 1, 2020 23:24:53 GMT -5
A lot of fuss about a hymnbook..... Anyone in the world can go to www.bibles-direct.co.uk/and type in allan (password is all lower case) where required and order as many as they want. Or lob in at a gospel meeting, get given one and ask if you can keep it - I'm sure they will say yes. Or talk to someone who is either in meetings or has left and ask if they have a spare one they could give you. It's not hard. Thanks Ross, I have alreadyt been there and reported back that in oder to even place an order there R.L.Allen requires registry and password - I'm not about to spread my private into into a data base in Scotland just to order a couple of hymn books. But thank you for trying to make it easy anyway. -- whoa now, I replied that before reading your whole post and another on here suggested "allan" entered as a password - I assumed registry would be required too and therefore that the allen password was just a joke on me - I'll give it a go. Thank you kindly. Nope it reports "The password was incorrect." And I select copied your allan password and pasted it in - still reported back "The password was incorrect." At the gospel meetings I have attended recently, the hymn book handed out to use there IS NOT the normal Hymns Old and New, but it may be otherwise in your locality. And having to connect with someone attending meetings and or recently out is no better than a publisher that blocks non-2x2 orders with a misterious "password" - that makes no good business sense at all that I can think of, but if that is requested of that publisher by their big customer I have no doubt they would complay rather than lose that business. Try spelling the password correctly. You've spelled it incorrectly twice in this post alone. Are you really as incompetent as you make yourself out to be on this board, or is that just some weird persona you've adopted in the hopes of making yourself out to be a... well... I'm not sure what?
Oh, and by the way, Lloyd, if you want them to send you a hymn book, you'll need to provide them with your personal information. Sorry. That's just how it works, at least outside the world of magical faith.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 1, 2020 23:33:21 GMT -5
YUP the LINKS you provided several times now in differing forms to that same page - the quote I( gave is with the junk offered for a fiver. No sweat though, when our local book shop is open I'll be there speaking to its manager offering anywhere up to $100 if the store will make special arrangements to order in one Copy of the "words only" edition and one copy of the "staff music edition" for me from R. L. Allen in Scotland. And I think that once the manager understand WHY I am asking the store to make special arrangements to get them, 2x2ism will have yet another Christian group who know plenty about 2x2ism - including NOW that getting these books is made very difficult by even the publisher - without the asker selling out private info into Scotland in order to do it himself. Like I said, I'm done replying anything more to YOU AGAIN. Can I take that as a promise?
Oh, Please... Dear "god" I do hope so!
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