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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 24, 2019 10:01:06 GMT -5
Nathan, I feel you are misinterpreting these scriptures. Babies when born are not sinners, they have a sin nature alright but they are innocent. As to anyone belonging to Satan, one has to sell their soul or surrender their soul to him. All creatures belong to God until those who have free will use it to make up their mind to sell their soul to Satan. Just because we’re born in sin doesn’t mean we’re sinners nor automatically Satan’s children. That is a conscious choice. Children don’t know what sin is until their parents teach them right and wrong. It’s like there was no sin until the law. Because the law teaches what is right. Before the law people didn’t know right from wrong so there was no sin. Adam and Eve has been told by God not to eat of that fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not to touch it. They did eat of it though they knew it was wrong because God had already told them right from wrong. So when they ate of that fruit, their sin was disobedience. Thus they sinned because they knew better. You still don't get it... Maybe someday it will hit you like a brick.... Like with the Trinity subject. On this I’m quite sure. You’d send every child straight to hell if they died but I believe the verse that says to beware for some hath entertained angels unaware. Why do you think cherubs and Cherubims are in the Bible. Why do you think Jesus said for us to be like little children to receive the kingdom of heaven. Why do you think Jesus said when he took a child up into his arms, “Like such are the kingdom of heaven.” I fully expect to see innocent children in heaven with eternal bodies. God will not condemn the innocent. Just because a baby was “conceived in sin” doesn’t mean he’s sin itself. Just because he’s born in sin doesn’t mean he’s sin itself. The point is, ALL THINGS ARE GOD’S until a person makes a conscious decision to surrender or sell their soul unto Satan. That’s when sin kills the soul, making the person “dead in sin and trespasses”.
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Post by nathan on Dec 24, 2019 10:31:20 GMT -5
King David wrote Ps 51:1-5 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Paul wrote in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/Adam sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) God ordained that, if Adam kept partake the Tree of life, he would partake of immortality existence. However, if he transgressed it, his lot would be just the opposite. Having been made in this manner, man soon went towards transgression. And so he naturally became subject to corruption. Therefore, corruption became inherent in nature.
~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) By means of our first parents, we were ALL brought into bondage by being made subject to Death.
~~ Tertullian (210 A.D.) Every soul then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam UNTIL it is born again in Christ. Man was condemned to DEATH for tasting the fruit of one poor tree. From that, there proceeded sins with their penalties. It was necessary that Christ would come forth for the salvation of man in that same condition of flesh into which had entered ever since his condemnation.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7:14: “For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.”
This verse seems to teach that an unbelieving spouse can be saved on the basis of his or her spouse’s faith in Christ. It also seems to say that their children will be holy before the Lord because one of their parents is saved. However, the time will come that the unbelieving husband, wife and children must confess Christ as their Savior themselves to be SAVED.
God the Father and Christ/God love the children that is why He sent His Son who came down from heaven and died to SAVE their souls from the Second Death also.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 24, 2019 11:46:00 GMT -5
King David wrote Ps 51:1-5 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Paul wrote in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/Adam sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. ~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) God ordained that, if Adam kept partake the Tree of life, he would partake of immortality existence. However, if he transgressed it, his lot would be just the opposite. Having been made in this manner, man soon went towards transgression. And so he naturally became subject to corruption. Therefore, corruption became inherent in nature.~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) By means of our first parents, we were ALL brought into bondage by being made subject to Death.~~ Tertullian (210 A.D.) Every soul then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam UNTIL it is born again in Christ. Man was condemned to DEATH for tasting the fruit of one poor tree. From that, there proceeded sins with their penalties. It was necessary that Christ would come forth for the salvation of man in that same condition of flesh into which had entered ever since his condemnation. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7:14: “For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.”
This verse seems to teach that an unbelieving spouse can be saved on the basis of his or her spouse’s faith in Christ. It also seems to say that their children will be holy before the Lord because one of their parents is saved. However, the time will come that the unbelieving husband, wife and children must confess Christ as their Savior themselves to be SAVED.
God the Father and Christ/God love the children that is why He sent His Son who came down from heaven and died to SAVE their souls from the Second Death also.
Those first quotes are about responsible aged people. The second about sanctifying the children still falls on the parents part. But it definitely says the children are holy. They are not considered lost until they are old enough to make a conscious decision to sin. Children are not in sin when they are born, they have a sin nature but it’s not held to their account until they are old enough to make a conscious decision to do right or wrong. It falls on their parents/guardians’ heads before that time.
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Post by Annan on Dec 24, 2019 12:36:57 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? ** God creates diseases to shorten the fallen humans lives span down from 800-1000 yrs old like in the days of Adam, Mathusela, Noah to Abraham 120 yrs old, then king David 70 yrs old and now average to 75 yrs old to live but the humans bodies start to go down hill at 60s. God did not want fallen humans to live 1000 yrs old long life spant to commit all kinds of evil deeds on earth. Men create new deadly diseases and viruses in the labs for warfare purposes with the agenda to kill millions of their enemies, and population control. There are too MANY of us, 8 billions people living on the planet earth. Is that biblical?
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Post by Annan on Dec 24, 2019 12:41:03 GMT -5
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 24, 2019 14:23:51 GMT -5
Well of course! How else could you control some people?
Wouldn't you need a complicated story to keep them on tenterhooks and feeling guilty in order to control them ? not sure where you got control out of what i said or guilt.... It's all part of the story sold to you by unscrupulous people such as Matthew mark, Luke and John.
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Post by snow on Dec 24, 2019 14:49:19 GMT -5
Didn't you just answer your own question? You say you believe the bible is the word of the god you believe in, and, you state it says he created everything, so the logical conclusion to your question would be 'yes, your god created all diseases'. Right? You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age of 123. Dr Wallach says altzheimer's is a man-created disease and that altzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago, and he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freak-like critters, and even humans born with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. Jetmech, if you look at the medical scientific reason for diseases you'd probably be a lot better off with understanding that. I don't believe in God or Satan so I accept the scientific explanation for disease. But if you believe that your God created everything then the logical conclusion is that he in deed did 'create everything' and that would include all the diseases too.
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Post by snow on Dec 24, 2019 14:52:19 GMT -5
Yes, ALL humans souls belong to Satan! he is our god and king. It all go back to the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve choice and their eternal destiny/Hades and Second death was decided and it passed on to ALL of their fallen humans children also. God had warned them NOT to eat the forbidden FRUIT= to side or go with Satan it will LEAD ONLY to Separation from the Godhead and barred them and their children from ENTERING heaven.
Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Adam and Eve were partaken the TREE of Life= had wonderful fellowship with Christ/God face to face, walking, talking with Him. God the Father spoke to them and they must have KNOWN about the Hoy Spirit also. Then the Serpent deceived them into sin and they died naturally/spiritually and separated from the Godhead.
In Genesis 3:15 The Godhead told Adam and Eve how they were going to redeem them from HADES/inner earth or the Realm of the dead, where the Serpent/Satan keeps all of the fallen children souls after death until Christ came down from heaven to live in a person Jesus to pay for our sins so, they and us could be set free from there and be brought to heaven to be with Christ/Jesus and the Father.
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth. Isn't that what original sin is all about though? We are all supposedly born sinners so Satan would own you until you decide to die and be reborn as a Christian. One more reason why I think the whole thing is not true.
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Post by nathan on Dec 24, 2019 16:06:23 GMT -5
King David wrote Ps 51:1-5 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Paul wrote in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/Adam sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. ~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) God ordained that, if Adam kept partake the Tree of life, he would partake of immortality existence. However, if he transgressed it, his lot would be just the opposite. Having been made in this manner, man soon went towards transgression. And so he naturally became subject to corruption. Therefore, corruption became inherent in nature.~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) By means of our first parents, we were ALL brought into bondage by being made subject to Death.~~ Tertullian (210 A.D.) Every soul then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam UNTIL it is born again in Christ. Man was condemned to DEATH for tasting the fruit of one poor tree. From that, there proceeded sins with their penalties. It was necessary that Christ would come forth for the salvation of man in that same condition of flesh into which had entered ever since his condemnation. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7:14: “For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.”
This verse seems to teach that an unbelieving spouse can be saved on the basis of his or her spouse’s faith in Christ. It also seems to say that their children will be holy before the Lord because one of their parents is saved. However, the time will come that the unbelieving husband, wife and children must confess Christ as their Savior themselves to be SAVED.
God the Father and Christ/God love the children that is why He sent His Son who came down from heaven and died to SAVE their souls from the Second Death also.
Those first quotes are about responsible aged people. The second about sanctifying the children still falls on the parents part. But it definitely says the children are holy. They are not considered lost until they are old enough to make a conscious decision to sin. Children are not in sin when they are born, they have a sin nature but it’s not held to their account until they are old enough to make a conscious decision to do right or wrong. It falls on their parents/guardians’ heads before that time. ** Thanks, for your opinion and understanding. Well, I have presented my side also, let the readers draw their own conclusion on the matter.
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Post by nathan on Dec 24, 2019 16:09:25 GMT -5
** God creates diseases to shorten the fallen humans lives span down from 800-1000 yrs old like in the days of Adam, Mathusela, Noah to Abraham 120 yrs old, then king David 70 yrs old and now average to 75 yrs old to live but the humans bodies start to go down hill at 60s. God did not want fallen humans to live 1000 yrs old long life spant to commit all kinds of evil deeds on earth. Men create new deadly diseases and viruses in the labs for warfare purposes with the agenda to kill millions of their enemies, and population control. There are too MANY of us, 8 billions people living on the planet earth. Is that biblical? ** That is what I have read and learned from the whistle blowers.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 24, 2019 16:44:48 GMT -5
I don't know if I can fit this in here properly; but, dmmichgood posted about the possibility of Dr Wallach, Medical researcher, being a 'quack' who is just out there to make money etc. I have you blocked dmmichgood but I still have the ability to 'Peek' when you post and see what you said. Like a curious dog … I jumped in the rushing water and 'peeked' at you post about dr Wallach, and see it as a sulfur smelling sort of flatulence that you always drop as a black cloud on anything I say.
I don't know Dr Wallach personally. I know how to check out attorneys and see what AP rating they have; but, I don't know how to check out doctors.
I only know that Dr Wallach says he was a veterinarian for some years then went back to medical school and became a human physician, and during those years as a vet he was in charge of 37,000 autopsies of animals.
He says he was the leading veterinarian for Marlin Perkins who ran the show on TV entitled MUTUAL OF OMAHA WILD KINGDOM, and that he headed up the veterinarian departments of the ST. LOUIS ZOO, the NEW YORK ZOO, and the LOS ANGELES ZOO.
He tells how the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is behind not releasing much medical info to the populace of the world, that pharmaceutical organizations have kept secret from the public many cures for over a hundred years. For example, one thing he tells is that they have been curing ulcers in pigs since 1938 and that ulcers are caused by a bacteria called helicobacter pylori; not stress.
He tells how turkeys get aneurysms very often and he describes a study that was done in 1957 with 250,000 turkeys put them on a diet lacking copper and half of them, 125,000 of them dies from aortic aneurysms. REF: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkF1fZJLHLE He also says that humans who suffer fatal aortic and brain aneurysms do so due to the lack of copper.
Most humans don't take any minerals with their vitamins, he says, and they might as well not take any vitamins at all if they don't also take minerals, including essential minerals.
One interesting thing he says is that humans can no absorb calcium when they reach the age of 30 unless it's strictly in liquid form, so he recommends buy gel caps filled with liquid calcium, and to also take magnesium, phosphorus, Vitamin D3, boron, and knox gelatin, and you can route arthritis, even rheumatoid arthritis, out of you body for good!
Here are some of the recommendations of DR Wallach: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=youtube+dr+wallach+is+a+medical+researcher
Dr Wallach has a radio show and he talks about things like prostate cancer and how prostate cancer does not kill anybody; it is the treatment that kills people! www.youtube.com/watch?v=06T6YWoWHK0
I believe you should take a breath dmmichgood, relax, take a 'looksy' at dr Wallach before you form an opinion, then make up your mind. Don't be like Hillary Clinton who is hellbent on an idea even when she is wrong she will ram her head into a wall like a rabid billy goat!! Then, she'll keel touting her tripe and drivel!
Dr Wallach says lack of selenium is the main culprit in prostate gland function and prostate cancer.
I'm not here to "sell Dr. Wallach" … I'm just saying he does step right out there publically and tell what's REALLY going on in the medical world.
The FDA has tried to take him down I forget how many times and have failed EVERY single time in court!
DR Manning, a Eurologist talks about the needless prostate biopsies that many men with high PSA Levels get.
I don't think Dr. Manning knows DR. Wallach, I don't know, but essentially he's saying the exact same thing that Dr.Wallach says: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3yh4m5y6OU
dmmichgood I'm not going to get on here and put you down, or try to slam you, nor embarrass you; but, I'm just saying I find the discussions of Dr Wallach very interesting.
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Post by nathan on Dec 24, 2019 17:56:00 GMT -5
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth. Isn't that what original sin is all about though? We are all supposedly born sinners so Satan would own you until you decide to die and be reborn as a Christian. One more reason why I think the whole thing is not true. *** Yes, that is original sin from Adam and Eve which pass on their fallen immortal children= ALL must die naturally and eternal separation from God. Only accept and believe in Christ Jesus as our Redeemer and Savior SAVE us from the Second death.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 24, 2019 18:26:20 GMT -5
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth. Isn't that what original sin is all about though? We are all supposedly born sinners so Satan would own you until you decide to die and be reborn as a Christian. One more reason why I think the whole thing is not true. I don’t believe that God is going to condemn babies and young children that are not old enough to know right from wrong and the consequences thereof. Jesus would not have used little children as an example as what we are to be like to enter into the kingdom of heaven. I fully expect to see infants and very young children in heaven because of their innocence and also cherubs and cherubim are as babies and young children. It seems to me that God has stressed in more ways then one that children are considered innocent until they are of mental age to make conscious decisions as to whether to sin or not. The comment Paul made was that there was no sin until the law was made. So there is no sin in children until they are old enough to know the law of right and wrong. Yes, the result of Adam and Eve’s disobedience is we all are born with a sin nature and will die unless we are born again in the spirit by the Spirit. EDIT: Btw, the thing is we all will die in our earthen bodies. But those who are born again will receive new resurrected eternal bodies reunited with their eternal living spirits. The natural body death IS THE RESULT Of ADAM AND EVE’S SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE. The death of our souls are the result of our own sins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 18:36:20 GMT -5
Disease is caused by a host of factors, and is expected in a biological system predicated on predator/prey relationships. It's one of nature's fail-safes to control population, particularly the higher up the food web you travel.
Science is helpful here, but if it's easier, we'll go with "God did it".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 19:58:11 GMT -5
Isn't that what original sin is all about though? We are all supposedly born sinners so Satan would own you until you decide to die and be reborn as a Christian. One more reason why I think the whole thing is not true. I don’t believe that God is going to condemn babies and young children that are not old enough to know right from wrong and the consequences thereof. Jesus would not have used little children as an example as what we are to be like to enter into the kingdom of heaven. I fully expect to see infants and very young children in heaven because of their innocence and also cherubs and cherubim are as babies and young children. It seems to me that God has stressed in more ways then one that children are considered innocent until they are of mental age to make conscious decisions as to whether to sin or not. The comment Paul made was that there was no sin until the law was made. So there is no sin in children until they are old enough to know the law of right and wrong. Yes, the result of Adam and Eve’s disobedience is we all are born with a sin nature and will die unless we are born again in the spirit by the Spirit. EDIT: Btw, the thing is we all will die in our earthen bodies. But those who are born again will receive new resurrected eternal bodies reunited with their eternal living spirits. The natural body death IS THE RESULT Of ADAM AND EVE’S SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE. The death of our souls are the result of our own sins. This leaves one wondering what on earth the natural body death of a chimpanzee or a gorilla is a result of. Is the death of the chimpanzee body also a result of disobedience to God? Given that the DNA of a chimp is close to 99% similar to that of a human, one wonders how, if Adam hadn’t eaten the apple, the human body could have existed indefinitely by avoiding bodily death when the almost identical body of a chimpanzee dies naturally. What was special about the human body that enabled it to avoid death when it was created but was absent from the almost identical body of a chimpanzee? What is it that is deficient in the body of a chimp? And what if Adam hadn’t eaten the apple but instead was himself eaten by a garden of Eden lion? What if the tree of knowledge of good and evil had fallen on top of Adam and crushed him? What would have happened to his natural body in these circumstances if his body couldn’t have experienced death? Would the eaten Adam have continued to live inside the lion like Jonah did inside the whale? And what if he’d only been half eaten by the lion? Would a very squashed Adam have continued to live on after the tree had fallen upon him? And what if his son Cain had cut off his head with a blunt instrument rather than slaying his brother Abel? Would God have grown back his head so that he would have avoided death? Or could he have continued on living in headless form? And what about a lightening strike? A snake bite? A poisonous berry? A fall into a deep ravine or a river? What then would have become of Adam if he couldn’t experience death? The idea that death couldn’t have occurred no matter what the human body was subjected to is clearly absurd. It is clear that the claim that death only occurs in the human race as a result of the biblical Adam eating the biblical apple is another far fetched story that simply doesn’t add up. The story is clearly one of many myths in the bible that the believer attempts to pass off as truth. The believer doesn’t believe it because it is true, like many things the believer believes it is true because he or she believes it. Not only does belief in the bible as infallible truth require one to reject the laws of science and the laws of nature, it also requires one to abandon all manner of common sense, rationality and education. To believe in the bible as a source of truth one must embrace absurdity and irrationality at the expense of reason and plausibility. The story of Adam and Eve is clearly a case of, if you believe that you’ll believe anything. And of course religious believers, irrespective of their religion, have demonstrated time and time again that they are capable of believing anything. How else can one end up believing that Lot’s wife turned into a pillar of salt or that the prophet Mohammad split the moon in half. All religious believers have to offer is their religious beliefs. They cannot offer truth. They cannot even agree among them what truth is. I think it’s safe to say that if you want belief ask a believer. But probably best to ask a non believer if you want truth. Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 20:42:09 GMT -5
I don't know if I can fit this in here properly; but, dmmichgood posted about the possibility of Dr Wallach, Medical researcher, being a 'quack' who is just out there to make money etc. I have you blocked dmmichgood but I still have the ability to 'Peek' when you post and see what you said. Like a curious dog … I jumped in the rushing water and 'peeked' at you post about dr Wallach, and see it as a sulfur smelling sort of flatulence that you always drop as a black cloud on anything I say.
I don't know Dr Wallach personally. I know how to check out attorneys and see what AP rating they have; but, I don't know how to check out doctors.
I only know that Dr Wallach says he was a veterinarian for some years then went back to medical school and became a human physician, and during those years as a vet he was in charge of 37,000 autopsies of animals.
He says he was the leading veterinarian for Marlin Perkins who ran the show on TV entitled MUTUAL OF OMAHA WILD KINGDOM, and that he headed up the veterinarian departments of the ST. LOUIS ZOO, the NEW YORK ZOO, and the LOS ANGELES ZOO.
He For example, one thing he tells is that they have been curing ulcers in pigs since 1938 and that ulcers are caused by a bacteria called helicobacter pylori; not stress.
He tells how turkeys get aneurysms very often and he describes a study that was done in 1957 with 250,000 turkeys put them on a diet lacking copper and half of them, 125,000 of them dies from aortic aneurysms. REF: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkF1fZJLHLE He also says that humans who suffer fatal aortic and brain aneurysms do so due to the lack of copper.
Most humans don't take any minerals with their vitamins, he says, and they might as well not take any vitamins at all if they don't also take minerals, including essential minerals.
One interesting thing he says is that humans can no absorb calcium when they reach the age of 30 unless it's strictly in liquid form, so he recommends buy gel caps filled with liquid calcium, and to also take magnesium, phosphorus, Vitamin D3, boron, and knox gelatin, and you can route arthritis, even rheumatoid arthritis, out of you body for good!
Here are some of the recommendations of DR Wallach: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=youtube+dr+wallach+is+a+medical+researcher
Dr Wallach has a radio show and he talks about things like prostate cancer and how prostate cancer does not kill anybody; it is the treatment that kills people! www.youtube.com/watch?v=06T6YWoWHK0
I believe you should take a breath dmmichgood, relax, take a 'looksy' at dr Wallach before you form an opinion, then make up your mind. Don't be like Hillary Clinton who is hellbent on an idea even when she is wrong she will ram her head into a wall like a rabid billy goat!! Then, she'll keel touting her tripe and drivel!
Dr Wallach says lack of selenium is the main culprit in prostate gland function and prostate cancer.
I'm not here to "sell Dr. Wallach" … I'm just saying he does step right out there publically and tell what's REALLY going on in the medical world.
The FDA has tried to take him down I forget how many times and have failed EVERY single time in court!
DR Manning, a Eurologist talks about the needless prostate biopsies that many men with high PSA Levels get.
I don't think Dr. Manning knows DR. Wallach, I don't know, but essentially he's saying the exact same thing that Dr.Wallach says: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3yh4m5y6OU
dmmichgood I'm not going to get on here and put you down, or try to slam you, nor embarrass you; but, I'm just saying I find the discussions of Dr. Wallach very interesting.
Don't worry about "embarrassing" me!
You tell me that I "should take a breath, relax, take a 'looksy'", but I already did just that. I do not like to make comments on something until I take a "looksy'" (It saves a lot time later of having to try to extract my foot from my mouth)
People like DR. Wallach, tend to have the earmarks of "scam" that can be smelled mile away.
Earmarks:
1. They tell you that is there is a conspiracy that some group or person is keeping valuable information from you, but he/she "knows the truth" and now the are going to let YOU in on the secret which will be very beneficial to YOU.
EX. "the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is behind not releasing much medical info to the populace of the world, that pharmaceutical organizations have kept secret from the public many cures for over a hundred years."
2. They play the martyr. The bigwigs that don't want you to know the information that he/she has are trying to "silence them."
EX. The FDA has tried to take him down I forget how many times and have failed EVERY single time in court!
Nathan, -your post is full of "Dr Wallach says,...."
But did you check out anything the OTHERS had to say about him or his claims?
He says he was a "leading veterinarian for Marlin Perkins who ran the show on TV entitled MUTUAL OF OMAHA WILD KINGDOM, and that he headed up the veterinarian departments of the ST. LOUIS ZOO, the NEW YORK ZOO, and the LOS ANGELES ZOO.
Did you check to see if any of that was true?
PS: Don't bring others like Hilary Clinton, -who has nothing to do with the conversation at hand into the conversation. But since you have already, -please know that she is a woman that I have admired for a long time and I don't appreciate your disparaging her. PPS:
I'm sorry that you feel that what I say is like "a sulfur smelling sort of flatulence that you always drop as a black cloud on anything I say.'" However, I try to answer only what I know to be true from my own experience & research. I don't like to see people falling prey to dishonest claims.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 25, 2019 6:51:21 GMT -5
I don't know if I can fit this in here properly; but, dmmichgood posted about the possibility of Dr Wallach, Medical researcher, being a 'quack' who is just out there to make money etc. I have you blocked dmmichgood but I still have the ability to 'Peek' when you post and see what you said. Like a curious dog … I jumped in the rushing water and 'peeked' at you post about dr Wallach, and see it as a sulfur smelling sort of flatulence that you always drop as a black cloud on anything I say.
I don't know Dr Wallach personally. I know how to check out attorneys and see what AP rating they have; but, I don't know how to check out doctors.
I only know that Dr Wallach says he was a veterinarian for some years then went back to medical school and became a human physician, and during those years as a vet he was in charge of 37,000 autopsies of animals.
He says he was the leading veterinarian for Marlin Perkins who ran the show on TV entitled MUTUAL OF OMAHA WILD KINGDOM, and that he headed up the veterinarian departments of the ST. LOUIS ZOO, the NEW YORK ZOO, and the LOS ANGELES ZOO.
He tells how the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is behind not releasing much medical info to the populace of the world, that pharmaceutical organizations have kept secret from the public many cures for over a hundred years. For example, one thing he tells is that they have been curing ulcers in pigs since 1938 and that ulcers are caused by a bacteria called helicobacter pylori; not stress.
He tells how turkeys get aneurysms very often and he describes a study that was done in 1957 with 250,000 turkeys put them on a diet lacking copper and half of them, 125,000 of them dies from aortic aneurysms. REF: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkF1fZJLHLE He also says that humans who suffer fatal aortic and brain aneurysms do so due to the lack of copper.
Most humans don't take any minerals with their vitamins, he says, and they might as well not take any vitamins at all if they don't also take minerals, including essential minerals.
One interesting thing he says is that humans can no absorb calcium when they reach the age of 30 unless it's strictly in liquid form, so he recommends buy gel caps filled with liquid calcium, and to also take magnesium, phosphorus, Vitamin D3, boron, and knox gelatin, and you can route arthritis, even rheumatoid arthritis, out of you body for good!
Here are some of the recommendations of DR Wallach: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=youtube+dr+wallach+is+a+medical+researcher
Dr Wallach has a radio show and he talks about things like prostate cancer and how prostate cancer does not kill anybody; it is the treatment that kills people! www.youtube.com/watch?v=06T6YWoWHK0
I believe you should take a breath dmmichgood, relax, take a 'looksy' at dr Wallach before you form an opinion, then make up your mind. Don't be like Hillary Clinton who is hellbent on an idea even when she is wrong she will ram her head into a wall like a rabid billy goat!! Then, she'll keel touting her tripe and drivel!
Dr Wallach says lack of selenium is the main culprit in prostate gland function and prostate cancer.
I'm not here to "sell Dr. Wallach" … I'm just saying he does step right out there publically and tell what's REALLY going on in the medical world.
The FDA has tried to take him down I forget how many times and have failed EVERY single time in court!
DR Manning, a Eurologist talks about the needless prostate biopsies that many men with high PSA Levels get.
I don't think Dr. Manning knows DR. Wallach, I don't know, but essentially he's saying the exact same thing that Dr.Wallach says: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3yh4m5y6OU
dmmichgood I'm not going to get on here and put you down, or try to slam you, nor embarrass you; but, I'm just saying I find the discussions of Dr Wallach very interesting.
Maybe you should take your own advice jetmech !!! He is a charlatan and a con artist !! Do some more research !
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Post by jetmech on Dec 25, 2019 13:22:07 GMT -5
I don't know if I can fit this in here properly; but, dmmichgood posted about the possibility of Dr Wallach, Medical researcher, being a 'quack' who is just out there to make money etc. I have you blocked dmmichgood but I still have the ability to 'Peek' when you post and see what you said. Like a curious dog … I jumped in the rushing water and 'peeked' at you post about dr Wallach, and see it as a sulfur smelling sort of flatulence that you always drop as a black cloud on anything I say.
I don't know Dr Wallach personally. I know how to check out attorneys and see what AP rating they have; but, I don't know how to check out doctors.
I only know that Dr Wallach says he was a veterinarian for some years then went back to medical school and became a human physician, and during those years as a vet he was in charge of 37,000 autopsies of animals.
He says he was the leading veterinarian for Marlin Perkins who ran the show on TV entitled MUTUAL OF OMAHA WILD KINGDOM, and that he headed up the veterinarian departments of the ST. LOUIS ZOO, the NEW YORK ZOO, and the LOS ANGELES ZOO.
He tells how the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is behind not releasing much medical info to the populace of the world, that pharmaceutical organizations have kept secret from the public many cures for over a hundred years. For example, one thing he tells is that they have been curing ulcers in pigs since 1938 and that ulcers are caused by a bacteria called helicobacter pylori; not stress.
He tells how turkeys get aneurysms very often and he describes a study that was done in 1957 with 250,000 turkeys put them on a diet lacking copper and half of them, 125,000 of them dies from aortic aneurysms. REF: www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkF1fZJLHLE He also says that humans who suffer fatal aortic and brain aneurysms do so due to the lack of copper.
Most humans don't take any minerals with their vitamins, he says, and they might as well not take any vitamins at all if they don't also take minerals, including essential minerals.
One interesting thing he says is that humans can no absorb calcium when they reach the age of 30 unless it's strictly in liquid form, so he recommends buy gel caps filled with liquid calcium, and to also take magnesium, phosphorus, Vitamin D3, boron, and knox gelatin, and you can route arthritis, even rheumatoid arthritis, out of you body for good!
Here are some of the recommendations of DR Wallach: www.youtube.com/results?search_query=youtube+dr+wallach+is+a+medical+researcher
Dr Wallach has a radio show and he talks about things like prostate cancer and how prostate cancer does not kill anybody; it is the treatment that kills people! www.youtube.com/watch?v=06T6YWoWHK0
I believe you should take a breath dmmichgood, relax, take a 'looksy' at dr Wallach before you form an opinion, then make up your mind. Don't be like Hillary Clinton who is hellbent on an idea even when she is wrong she will ram her head into a wall like a rabid billy goat!! Then, she'll keel touting her tripe and drivel!
Dr Wallach says lack of selenium is the main culprit in prostate gland function and prostate cancer.
I'm not here to "sell Dr. Wallach" … I'm just saying he does step right out there publically and tell what's REALLY going on in the medical world.
The FDA has tried to take him down I forget how many times and have failed EVERY single time in court!
DR Manning, a Eurologist talks about the needless prostate biopsies that many men with high PSA Levels get.
I don't think Dr. Manning knows DR. Wallach, I don't know, but essentially he's saying the exact same thing that Dr.Wallach says: www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3yh4m5y6OU
dmmichgood I'm not going to get on here and put you down, or try to slam you, nor embarrass you; but, I'm just saying I find the discussions of Dr Wallach very interesting.
Maybe you should take your own advice jetmech !!! He is a charlatan and a con artist !! Do some more research ! RoselynT that's what you say about the TRUTH, about Nathan, Wally, and even about me! What "gripes" you so? You seem to be only at odds with EVERYTHING. I tell you … inhale, exhale, relaaaaax …. let it go … leeeettt it gooooooo … that's it … breathe in , breathe out …. lettt it gooooo 'Rose' … you'll be ok. Now, practice those breathing exercises awhile and after you get your 'self' settled down a little bit … why don't you sit down, relax, and watch some of Dr Wallach's videos … you might learn something.
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Post by nathan on Dec 25, 2019 14:19:37 GMT -5
Maybe you should take your own advice jetmech !!! He is a charlatan and a con artist !! Do some more research ! RoselynT that's what you say about the TRUTH, about Nathan, Wally, and even about me! What "gripes" you so? You seem to be only at odds with EVERYTHING. I tell you … inhale, exhale, relaaaaax …. let it go … leeeettt it gooooooo … that's it … breathe in , breathe out …. lettt it gooooo 'Rose' … you'll be ok. Now, practice those breathing exercises awhile and after you get your 'self' settled down a little bit … why don't you sit down, relax, and watch some of Dr Wallach's videos … you might learn something.
** hehe RT doesn't like the BIG TRINITY or the small trinity= jetmech, wally and Nathan.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 25, 2019 14:54:34 GMT -5
Maybe you should take your own advice jetmech !!! He is a charlatan and a con artist !! Do some more research ! RoselynT that's what you say about the TRUTH, about Nathan, Wally, and even about me! What "gripes" you so? You seem to be only at odds with EVERYTHING. I tell you … inhale, exhale, relaaaaax …. let it go … leeeettt it gooooooo … that's it … breathe in , breathe out …. lettt it gooooo 'Rose' … you'll be ok. Now, practice those breathing exercises awhile and after you get your 'self' settled down a little bit … why don't you sit down, relax, and watch some of Dr Wallach's videos … you might learn something.
Btw, for clarity’s sake(. Dr. Wallach is a Veterinarian doctor not a human doctor. He is a Naturopathic researcher but not a human M.D. or D.O.
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 25, 2019 16:49:42 GMT -5
RoselynT that's what you say about the TRUTH, about Nathan, Wally, and even about me! What "gripes" you so? You seem to be only at odds with EVERYTHING. I tell you … inhale, exhale, relaaaaax …. let it go … leeeettt it gooooooo … that's it … breathe in , breathe out …. lettt it gooooo 'Rose' … you'll be ok. Now, practice those breathing exercises awhile and after you get your 'self' settled down a little bit … why don't you sit down, relax, and watch some of Dr Wallach's videos … you might learn something.
Btw, for clarity’s sake(. Dr. Wallach is a Veterinarian doctor not a human doctor. He is a Naturopathic researcher but not a human M.D. or D.O. Thanks sharingtheriches ...but they don't let facts get in the way of a good story !
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 25, 2019 16:57:04 GMT -5
Maybe you should take your own advice jetmech !!! He is a charlatan and a con artist !! Do some more research ! RoselynT that's what you say about the TRUTH, about Nathan, Wally, and even about me! What "gripes" you so? You seem to be only at odds with EVERYTHING. I tell you … inhale, exhale, relaaaaax …. let it go … leeeettt it gooooooo … that's it … breathe in , breathe out …. lettt it gooooo 'Rose' … you'll be ok. Now, practice those breathing exercises awhile and after you get your 'self' settled down a little bit … why don't you sit down, relax, and watch some of Dr Wallach's videos … you might learn something.
jetmech ....if you done some more research about "Dr Conman" you would see the first lie .....he isn't a Dr !!! I have read enough of his BS and watched enough of his videos ! Why is it that gullible people get conned ? Or is it wanting to twist things to fit their ideas that everything in the "world" is so bad !!!!!!
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Post by jetmech on Dec 25, 2019 18:41:09 GMT -5
RoselynT that's what you say about the TRUTH, about Nathan, Wally, and even about me! What "gripes" you so? You seem to be only at odds with EVERYTHING. I tell you … inhale, exhale, relaaaaax …. let it go … leeeettt it gooooooo … that's it … breathe in , breathe out …. lettt it gooooo 'Rose' … you'll be ok. Now, practice those breathing exercises awhile and after you get your 'self' settled down a little bit … why don't you sit down, relax, and watch some of Dr Wallach's videos … you might learn something.
Btw, for clarity’s sake(. Dr. Wallach is a Veterinarian doctor not a human doctor. He is a Naturopathic researcher but not a human M.D. or D.O. Thanks Sharing ... I'll post a link on here, after I find it, where Dr Wallach explains that he was a veteranarian, then that he went back to school and became a "Human physician", then he talks about his "human patients" and how certain mechanisms in animals are often very similar to mechanisms in humans ... such as digestive systems, cellular structures & how they work, and the workings of cancer cells in both animals and humans. He also compares surgeries he's performed of animals compared to surgies he'd performed on humans. Additionally, he speaks at length about Autopsies he performed in animals compared to autopies he's performed on humans. It's not my fault if he's lying. of course, I hope he's not lying. "... you can't pray a lie ..." Mark Twain. He seems to know more than the average Duck about medicine and chemistry. I can see though that he's doing exactly what he accuses the medical establishment of doing; making a killing off his " ... OTC products ..." vs the medical establishment making a killing from their Pharmeceuticals. So, I don't know .... I went to see Dr Wallach one time in Wisconsin and I noticed the smallness of the audiences, and the seemingly sort of Paranoidness of Dr Wallach when he took questions from doctors in the audience. Like I said, I'm just a layman ... I have no idea how to check doctors out, and I am completely open to suggestions. Dr Wallach is right though when he says doctors and nurses often make mistakes and people catch things in medical establishments by germs and bacteria. Anyone on this board can GOOGLE the words " ... DOCTORS IN GOSHEN INDIANA ACCIDENTALLY INFECT 1,000 people with AIDS ... This is something that happened recently an Indiana. How the tarnation do 1,000 people "accidentally" get Aids?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 18:44:50 GMT -5
** hehe RT doesn't like the BIG TRINITY or the small trinity= jetmech, wally and Nathan. ” thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord God in vain”. do you know what that name might be?
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Post by nathan on Dec 25, 2019 18:56:36 GMT -5
” thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord God in vain”. do you know what that name might be? Olea is another one of my Stalkers! on TMB, take pokes and jabs at my posts, the THREE stooges/RT, Curly fries, and Olea.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 25, 2019 20:27:03 GMT -5
Btw, for clarity’s sake(. Dr. Wallach is a Veterinarian doctor not a human doctor. He is a Naturopathic researcher but not a human M.D. or D.O. Thanks Sharing ... I'll post a link on here, after I find it, where Dr Wallach explains that he was a veteranarian, then that he went back to school and became a "Human physician", then he talks about his "human patients" and how certain mechanisms in animals are often very similar to mechanisms in humans ... such as digestive systems, cellular structures & how they work, and the workings of cancer cells in both animals and humans. He also compares surgeries he's performed of animals compared to surgies he'd performed on humans. Additionally, he speaks at length about Autopsies he performed in animals compared to autopies he's performed on humans. It's not my fault if he's lying. of course, I hope he's not lying. "... you can't pray a lie ..." Mark Twain. He seems to know more than the average Duck about medicine and chemistry. I can see though that he's doing exactly what he accuses the medical establishment of doing; making a killing off his " ... OTC products ..." vs the medical establishment making a killing from their Pharmeceuticals. So, I don't know .... I went to see Dr Wallach one time in Wisconsin and I noticed the smallness of the audiences, and the seemingly sort of Paranoidness of Dr Wallach when he took questions from doctors in the audience. Like I said, I'm just a layman ... I have no idea how to check doctors out, and I am completely open to suggestions. Dr Wallach is right though when he says doctors and nurses often make mistakes and people catch things in medical establishments by germs and bacteria. Anyone on this board can GOOGLE the words " ... DOCTORS IN GOSHEN INDIANA ACCIDENTALLY INFECT 1,000 people with AIDS ... This is something that happened recently an Indiana. How the tarnation do 1,000 people "accidentally" get Aids? I read about him. He’s a naturopath. Not a Medical doctor nor a Doctor of Osteopathy. His title “doctor” is from his veterinarian practice. A lot of his research was done during his veterinarian days. Wikipedia: Naturopathy or naturopathic medicine is a form of alternative medicine that employs an array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing". The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine, rather than evidence-based medicine (EBM).[1] Naturopathic practitioners generally recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[2][3][4][5] Instead, naturopathic practice rely on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit
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Post by jetmech on Dec 25, 2019 22:59:00 GMT -5
Thanks Sharing ... I'll post a link on here, after I find it, where Dr Wallach explains that he was a veteranarian, then that he went back to school and became a "Human physician", then he talks about his "human patients" and how certain mechanisms in animals are often very similar to mechanisms in humans ... such as digestive systems, cellular structures & how they work, and the workings of cancer cells in both animals and humans. He also compares surgeries he's performed of animals compared to surgies he'd performed on humans. Additionally, he speaks at length about Autopsies he performed in animals compared to autopies he's performed on humans. It's not my fault if he's lying. of course, I hope he's not lying. "... you can't pray a lie ..." Mark Twain. He seems to know more than the average Duck about medicine and chemistry. I can see though that he's doing exactly what he accuses the medical establishment of doing; making a killing off his " ... OTC products ..." vs the medical establishment making a killing from their Pharmeceuticals. So, I don't know .... I went to see Dr Wallach one time in Wisconsin and I noticed the smallness of the audiences, and the seemingly sort of Paranoidness of Dr Wallach when he took questions from doctors in the audience. Like I said, I'm just a layman ... I have no idea how to check doctors out, and I am completely open to suggestions. Dr Wallach is right though when he says doctors and nurses often make mistakes and people catch things in medical establishments by germs and bacteria. Anyone on this board can GOOGLE the words " ... DOCTORS IN GOSHEN INDIANA ACCIDENTALLY INFECT 1,000 people with AIDS ... This is something that happened recently an Indiana. How the tarnation do 1,000 people "accidentally" get Aids? I read about him. He’s a naturopath. Not a Medical doctor nor a Doctor of Osteopathy. His title “doctor” is from his veterinarian practice. A lot of his research was done during his veterinarian days. Wikipedia: Naturopathy or naturopathic medicine is a form of alternative medicine that employs an array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing". The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine, rather than evidence-based medicine (EBM).[1] Naturopathic practitioners generally recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[2][3][4][5] Instead, naturopathic practice rely on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit Now I feel like an old dog walkin' sideways ... I'm sorry I ever mentioned Dr Wallach now. The scary part too is that he's from Missouri (the 'SHOW ME') state!!! I need to find me a hole to dive into. LOL ... I'll never mention him again ... for sure! My apologies.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 25, 2019 23:10:39 GMT -5
I read about him. He’s a naturopath. Not a Medical doctor nor a Doctor of Osteopathy. His title “doctor” is from his veterinarian practice. A lot of his research was done during his veterinarian days. Wikipedia: Naturopathy or naturopathic medicine is a form of alternative medicine that employs an array of pseudoscientific practices branded as "natural", "non-invasive", or promoting "self-healing". The ideology and methods of naturopathy are based on vitalism and folk medicine, rather than evidence-based medicine (EBM).[1] Naturopathic practitioners generally recommend against following modern medical practices, including but not limited to medical testing, drugs, vaccinations, and surgery.[2][3][4][5] Instead, naturopathic practice rely on unscientific notions, often leading naturopaths to diagnoses and treatments that have no factual merit Now I feel like an old dog walkin' sideways ... I'm sorry I ever mentioned Dr Wallach now. The scary part too is that he's from Missouri (the 'SHOW ME') state!!! I need to find me a hole to dive into. LOL ... I'll never mention him again ... for sure! My apologies. Don’t worry about it. People use the naturopathic helps often and I’ve not investigated how individuals feel about them but perhaps there are some helpful things to learn. Unless a person has a deficit diet a lot of additional supplements can present problems also. As you know the Bible says moderation is the key to all things.
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