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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 27, 2019 20:06:39 GMT -5
Seems like you are not supposed to pray for a sick individual in meeting. They might not say anything to your face but it isn't expected behavior. You can collectively pray for the sick. But if you pray for Ms. Smith having surgery and her family by NAME, you are viewed as less spiritual. Why is it calling people's names in prayer time frowned upon? Many "worldly" churches have prayer lists where people are prayed for by name. My dad laughed about a local church praying for him when he was in the hospital. It is hard to get some to say that they are praying for someone. Some prefer to say "We are thinking about you". It is amazing how you get used to something and believe it is the only way to do something whatever the something is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:30:57 GMT -5
your probably right i don't remember specific prayers in mtg for named individuals i do remember general prayers for the sick and for those who couldn't attend...
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Post by Dennis J on Nov 28, 2019 1:16:33 GMT -5
It had long been my personal practice to pray for those of one’s fellowship openly and by name, both while and after I participated as a “worker.” Felt it was just being led by the Spirit in doing so.
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 28, 2019 10:33:59 GMT -5
Seems like you are not supposed to pray for a sick individual in meeting. They might not say anything to your face but it isn't expected behavior. You can collectively pray for the sick. But if you pray for Ms. Smith having surgery and her family by NAME, you are viewed as less spiritual. Why is it calling people's names in prayer time frowned upon? Many "worldly" churches have prayer lists where people are prayed for by name. My dad laughed about a local church praying for him when he was in the hospital. It is hard to get some to say that they are praying for someone. Some prefer to say "We are thinking about you". It is amazing how you get used to something and believe it is the only way to do something whatever the something is. Because if you pray for people by name, it makes it more obvious that prayer doesn't work.
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Post by Annan on Nov 28, 2019 10:59:53 GMT -5
Because if you pray for people by name, it makes it more obvious that prayer doesn't work. A pastor friend of mine prayers to accept God's will. She does not pray for God's invention. My husband’s mother was kept alive in the hospital for several weeks this past December till it was decided that there was nothing more that could be done for her. She was then offered to her god for the decision of when she would die. I find that terribly ironic. I always liked it when prayer lists were read in church. (I used to be a church secretary, believe it or not.) I believe that prayer can make a difference as I believe those that are united in a common cause (such as praying for a specific person) creates positive energies that surround that person and uplift them. I felt this when I had a brain tumor and churches all over town were praying for me. Their love surrounded and uplifted me and gave me hope and strength. I could feel it. It gave me peace.
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Post by snow on Nov 28, 2019 13:08:04 GMT -5
Seems like you are not supposed to pray for a sick individual in meeting. They might not say anything to your face but it isn't expected behavior. You can collectively pray for the sick. But if you pray for Ms. Smith having surgery and her family by NAME, you are viewed as less spiritual. Why is it calling people's names in prayer time frowned upon? Many "worldly" churches have prayer lists where people are prayed for by name. My dad laughed about a local church praying for him when he was in the hospital. It is hard to get some to say that they are praying for someone. Some prefer to say "We are thinking about you". It is amazing how you get used to something and believe it is the only way to do something whatever the something is. Maybe it's wise on their part. That way it doesn't make prayer look like it doesn't work so much if it's generic. If you pray for all the sick, some of them are bound to get better. But if you pray for Ms. Smith and she dies, well that doesn't look so good for prayer.
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Post by Annan on Nov 28, 2019 17:41:45 GMT -5
I posted this once (or twice) before.
Why does God give blessings to some of his children, but not others? Why does God heal some through prayer and not others?
Why are you assuming God takes sides? From that perspective, is God against cancer or for cancer? He cures some people of cancer but not others. Did he then take the cancer's side when a person dies? If God cares for all his creation, does he not then care for cancer and all the other diseases we suffer from?
And if God is against all disease, then he must be against all the causes of disease such as bacteria and viruses. Then there's the creatures that can cause us harm like black widow spiders, scorpions, mosquitoes that carry deadly disease... and don't forget about poisonous snakes, sharks, grizzly bears... poisonous mushrooms and other plants...
I'm starting to scare myself.
If God is aware of everything that goes on, couldn't he then be held accountable for someone's death? If God has a "special care" for us, then he has to be against thousands of species of life that can cause us harm. So if my daughter gets bit by a snake and dies, then God has to be at fault. How do I get my revenge?
What if God cares for all his creatures and creation and is not on any side? What if sometimes we win and sometimes we lose? I find it a bit absurd for anyone to think God would take their side in any situation against any other form of his creation.
This brings up the subject of evil. Some people see illness and death as of Satan. So if a person expects God to intervene on their behalf against Satan and God doesn't, then was God not willing to prevent evil or could God not prevent evil? God in this case is either impotent or corrupt.
Or perhaps God is simply competent. He has created a world that is perfectly capable of functioning on its own without his intervention. It's simply that man doesn't see it that way and wants special attention and care. Such whinny brats we are.
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 28, 2019 23:15:59 GMT -5
I posted this once (or twice) before. Why does God give blessings to some of his children, but not others? Why does God heal some through prayer and not others? Why are you assuming God takes sides? From that perspective, is God against cancer or for cancer? He cures some people of cancer but not others. Did he then take the cancer's side when a person dies? If God cares for all his creation, does he not then care for cancer and all the other diseases we suffer from? And if God is against all disease, then he must be against all the causes of disease such as bacteria and viruses. Then there's the creatures that can cause us harm like black widow spiders, scorpions, mosquitoes that carry deadly disease... and don't forget about poisonous snakes, sharks, grizzly bears... poisonous mushrooms and other plants... I'm starting to scare myself. If God is aware of everything that goes on, couldn't he then be held accountable for someone's death? If God has a "special care" for us, then he has to be against thousands of species of life that can cause us harm. So if my daughter gets bit by a snake and dies, then God has to be at fault. How do I get my revenge? What if God cares for all his creatures and creation and is not on any side? What if sometimes we win and sometimes we lose? I find it a bit absurd for anyone to think God would take their side in any situation against any other form of his creation. This brings up the subject of evil. Some people see illness and death as of Satan. So if a person expects God to intervene on their behalf against Satan and God doesn't, then was God not willing to prevent evil or could God not prevent evil? God in this case is either impotent or corrupt. Or perhaps God is simply competent. He has created a world that is perfectly capable of functioning on its own without his intervention. It's simply that man doesn't see it that way and wants special attention and care. Such whinny brats we are. I think the "whiny brats" are listening to the claims that Jesus made: "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them." - Mark 11 The real question is whether Jesus or God should have any credibility after this boast
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 0:56:26 GMT -5
I posted this once (or twice) before. Why does God give blessings to some of his children, but not others? Why does God heal some through prayer and not others? Why are you assuming God takes sides? From that perspective, is God against cancer or for cancer? He cures some people of cancer but not others. Did he then take the cancer's side when a person dies? If God cares for all his creation, does he not then care for cancer and all the other diseases we suffer from? And if God is against all disease, then he must be against all the causes of disease such as bacteria and viruses. Then there's the creatures that can cause us harm like black widow spiders, scorpions, mosquitoes that carry deadly disease... and don't forget about poisonous snakes, sharks, grizzly bears... poisonous mushrooms and other plants... I'm starting to scare myself. If God is aware of everything that goes on, couldn't he then be held accountable for someone's death? If God has a "special care" for us, then he has to be against thousands of species of life that can cause us harm. So if my daughter gets bit by a snake and dies, then God has to be at fault. How do I get my revenge? What if God cares for all his creatures and creation and is not on any side? What if sometimes we win and sometimes we lose? I find it a bit absurd for anyone to think God would take their side in any situation against any other form of his creation. This brings up the subject of evil. Some people see illness and death as of Satan. So if a person expects God to intervene on their behalf against Satan and God doesn't, then was God not willing to prevent evil or could God not prevent evil? God in this case is either impotent or corrupt. Or perhaps God is simply competent. He has created a world that is perfectly capable of functioning on its own without his intervention. It's simply that man doesn't see it that way and wants special attention and care. Such whinny brats we are. only God knows the answer to that... diseases are a result of adam and eves acts in the garden it was set in motion then..after Christ i think nature has been allowed to take its course now... relax you can blame him if you want to but i don't think that will get you anywhere... so your a deist then? satan has been given power to screw things up its up to us to resist him... that is deism again...
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Post by snow on Nov 29, 2019 14:26:56 GMT -5
I posted this once (or twice) before. Why does God give blessings to some of his children, but not others? Why does God heal some through prayer and not others? Why are you assuming God takes sides? From that perspective, is God against cancer or for cancer? He cures some people of cancer but not others. Did he then take the cancer's side when a person dies? If God cares for all his creation, does he not then care for cancer and all the other diseases we suffer from? And if God is against all disease, then he must be against all the causes of disease such as bacteria and viruses. Then there's the creatures that can cause us harm like black widow spiders, scorpions, mosquitoes that carry deadly disease... and don't forget about poisonous snakes, sharks, grizzly bears... poisonous mushrooms and other plants... I'm starting to scare myself. If God is aware of everything that goes on, couldn't he then be held accountable for someone's death? If God has a "special care" for us, then he has to be against thousands of species of life that can cause us harm. So if my daughter gets bit by a snake and dies, then God has to be at fault. How do I get my revenge? What if God cares for all his creatures and creation and is not on any side? What if sometimes we win and sometimes we lose? I find it a bit absurd for anyone to think God would take their side in any situation against any other form of his creation. This brings up the subject of evil. Some people see illness and death as of Satan. So if a person expects God to intervene on their behalf against Satan and God doesn't, then was God not willing to prevent evil or could God not prevent evil? God in this case is either impotent or corrupt. Or perhaps God is simply competent. He has created a world that is perfectly capable of functioning on its own without his intervention. It's simply that man doesn't see it that way and wants special attention and care. Such whinny brats we are. Praying for what they want seems to be so egotistical when you really think about it. What makes an individual more likely to be healed and the next to be ignored? How does their God even make these choices. Is he incompetent or is he evil or like you state, lets the world just operate as nature made us. What we see as evidence is that the world operating exactly how it does naturally. NO mystical miracles, but just how the world operates. Sometimes we are the bug, sometimes we're the windshield. Also Annan, asking all those questions, well it's really hard on faith, so maybe you just shouldn't think too much about it all and just believe that you are special and that's that....
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Post by snow on Nov 29, 2019 14:28:44 GMT -5
Matt 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Looks an awful lot like just how nature operates, with or without a God to me.
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Post by Annan on Nov 29, 2019 15:28:40 GMT -5
Matt 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Looks an awful lot like just how nature operates, with or without a God to me. Yep. I keep saying this... If your child were hit by a car and in the hospital, you would be on your knees praying for your child's recovery. If that same child were splattered all over the road like roadkill, you'd be screaming in horror, knowing your god wouldn't be putting your child back together again. Funny how your god only works within the confines of modern medicine.
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Post by snow on Nov 29, 2019 16:46:46 GMT -5
Looks an awful lot like just how nature operates, with or without a God to me. Yep. I keep saying this... If your child were hit by a car and in the hospital, you would be on your knees praying for your child's recovery. If that same child were splattered all over the road like roadkill, you'd be screaming in horror, knowing your god wouldn't be putting your child back together again. Funny how your god only works within the confines of modern medicine. That's something that's been pointed out a lot. Usually by asking why God doesn't grow new limbs and it's not expected by theists as a prayer that will be answered. But now that we are getting better and better at growing body parts in the lab, maybe someday we will produce a 3D limb or even a totally grown limb from cells in a lab setting. Then we will have out performed even god because we would be able to grow limbs for them.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Dec 2, 2019 9:35:38 GMT -5
It is likely trying to be different from the worldly churches.
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