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Post by jetmech on Nov 15, 2019 14:06:00 GMT -5
Being reared as a foster child I grew up being told I was STUPID!
During my early childhood I really believed my name was "knothead!"
I didn't apply myself and I gave up on EVERYTHING in school. NOTHING was interesting to me.
Most of my teachers HATED my twin and I.
The teachers beat on us with boards once a week at least and for no reason. I know we were very shy, and good kids.
It wasn't until we got clear away from the truth, went to live with a Methodist family, that we finally realized we had a BRAIN!
My step-Dad let the school know he would SUE any teacher who gave us the board or even touched us!
Life became different then...
We started taking flying lessons at the local airport and learning the associated math skills. Math came easy for us both then.
If I had the education back then that I have now I could have achieved much more in life.
Will someone please explain to me why the Friends and Workers are against education?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 14:27:46 GMT -5
Being reared as a foster child I grew up being told I was STUPID! During my early childhood I really believed my name was "knothead!" I didn't apply myself and I gave up on EVERYTHING in school. NOTHING was interesting to me. Most of my teachers HATED my twin and I. The teachers beat on us with boards once a week at least and for no reason. I know we were very shy, and good kids. It wasn't until we got clear away from the truth, went to live with a Methodist family, that we finally realized we had a BRAIN! My step-Dad let the school know he would SUE any teacher who gave us the board or even touched us! Life became different then... We started taking flying lessons at the local airport and learning the associated math skills. Math came easy for us both then. If I had the education back then that I have now I could have achieved much more in life. Will someone please explain to me why the Friends and Workers are against education? well it appears that some(not all) who went on to higher education turn against the truth or christianity in general...that has largely stopped though workers even want new workers to have an education and a job now before they become workers...
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Post by tuesday on Nov 15, 2019 14:32:07 GMT -5
This sounds awful, I'm sad to hear you've suffered such experiences.
I have been fortunate in this respect. Perhaps because times are changing and attitudes are changing, I feel like previous generations to me within the truth had a lot harder time.
For the most part, my education has been a non-issue amongst the workers and friends - perhaps there have been comments behind my back however I haven't been made aware of any comments like this. For the most part I have been the one to make decisions about my own education, with some input from my family.
Hopefully more and more will feel like they are allowed to pursue education, or even encouraged to pursue education. Education doesn't solve everything but it does open doors in life.
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Post by snow on Nov 15, 2019 14:45:34 GMT -5
Being reared as a foster child I grew up being told I was STUPID! During my early childhood I really believed my name was "knothead!" I didn't apply myself and I gave up on EVERYTHING in school. NOTHING was interesting to me. Most of my teachers HATED my twin and I. The teachers beat on us with boards once a week at least and for no reason. I know we were very shy, and good kids. It wasn't until we got clear away from the truth, went to live with a Methodist family, that we finally realized we had a BRAIN! My step-Dad let the school know he would SUE any teacher who gave us the board or even touched us! Life became different then... We started taking flying lessons at the local airport and learning the associated math skills. Math came easy for us both then. If I had the education back then that I have now I could have achieved much more in life. Will someone please explain to me why the Friends and Workers are against education? It's not just the friends and workers group. There are quite a few denominations that do not want their members educated. Mostly it's because the more you learn the more you question and the more you question the more likelihood that you will begin to understand that belief in religions and Gods are not based on anything that can be verified. That can lead you to leave that religion and not believe anymore. So it's just safer in their opinion that their members not get too educated because it could lead them to leave that particular belief system.
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Post by Annan on Nov 15, 2019 14:45:36 GMT -5
I was always quoted some verse that said there is no knowledge in the grave. That was the reason my parents didn't send me to college.
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Post by snow on Nov 15, 2019 14:50:51 GMT -5
I was always quoted some verse that said there is no knowledge in the grave. That was the reason my parents didn't send me to college. I'm pretty sure the RCC wished they could have kept their members illiterate. Once they started being able to read the bible they started having trouble with questions about it and the contradictions in it. It's much easier to control a population that just listens to what they choose to feed them.
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Post by speak on Nov 15, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -5
What I have seen in this country is that those in the fellowship are encouraged to have a good education. Of many in the ministry either have good trade and university qualifications, it is not wished that they enter the ministry without life experience/work experience.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 15, 2019 17:48:59 GMT -5
In the early days, women were discouraged from going to high school. And some religions of that era may have felt like a lady shouldn't be in high school, I dunno. It isn't an issue today. And some professors do try to brainwash youth in various ideologies.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2019 19:10:34 GMT -5
In the early days, women were discouraged from going to high school. And some religions of that era may have felt like a lady shouldn't be in high school, I dunno. It isn't an issue today. And some professors do try to brainwash youth in various ideologies. What are the titles of the courses where professors brainwash people?
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Post by speak on Nov 15, 2019 20:37:10 GMT -5
In the early days, women were discouraged from going to high school. And some religions of that era may have felt like a lady shouldn't be in high school, I dunno. It isn't an issue today. And some professors do try to brainwash youth in various ideologies. Oh the early days, is that what we are talking about? Well I thought from your op that it was about what happens today, silly fool me
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 15, 2019 22:00:37 GMT -5
In the early days, women were discouraged from going to high school. And some religions of that era may have felt like a lady shouldn't be in high school, I dunno. It isn't an issue today. And some professors do try to brainwash youth in various ideologies. Oh the early days, is that what we are talking about? Well I thought from your op that it was about what happens today, silly fool me Thankfully , and to their credit , it is a “changing way “- very changing . Numerous issues that were once cause of correction and even excommunication, is openly accepted now and even embraced . The founding workers wouldn’t recognize it as “their “ group if they were Dropped off at a convention now . Not unusual for us to hear to the effect , that things are so different and changed now and we shoujd go back to meetings . Some change is beneficial - and probably some is not . Alvin
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 15, 2019 22:11:08 GMT -5
In the early days, women were discouraged from going to high school. And some religions of that era may have felt like a lady shouldn't be in high school, I dunno. It isn't an issue today. And some professors do try to brainwash youth in various ideologies. What are the titles of the courses where professors brainwash people? Reminds me of a personal friend who was a professor at a university . He had “warned “ a student who was about to take one of his courses , that if this person was going to take the course he was teaching , it was probably going to end his faith and belief in God etc . Me-“ So , did he take your course “. Ken “Yes , he decided to take it .” Me”. “ did he keep his faith” Ken. “Ah , he was a poor student “. We had a chuckle . Alvin
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2019 23:08:06 GMT -5
In the early days, women were discouraged from going to high school. And some religions of that era may have felt like a lady shouldn't be in high school, I dunno. It isn't an issue today. And some professors do try to brainwash youth in various ideologies. Oh the early days, is that what we are talking about? Well I thought from your op that it was about what happens today, silly fool me Speak, From your posts, I get the idea that you are rather younger than many of us here.
If so, -it would explain why you seem unable to understand how the "TRUTH," fellowship, 2x2's or whatever you would want to call it, -how it has affected our lives in a way that it apparently hasn't affected your life.
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Post by speak on Nov 16, 2019 0:42:10 GMT -5
Oh the early days, is that what we are talking about? Well I thought from your op that it was about what happens today, silly fool me Speak, From your posts, I get the idea that you are rather younger than many of us here.
If so, -it would explain why you seem unable to understand how the "TRUTH," fellowship, 2x2's or whatever you would want to call it, -how it has affected our lives in a way that it apparently hasn't affected your life.I am well into my retirement years. I would say that there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been, so how is that explained. Oh I understand fully no worries about that, you may not like my answer so I won't upset you by saying so.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 16, 2019 1:42:44 GMT -5
Speak, From your posts, I get the idea that you are rather younger than many of us here.
If so, -it would explain why you seem unable to understand how the "TRUTH," fellowship, 2x2's or whatever you would want to call it, -how it has affected our lives in a way that it apparently hasn't affected your life. I am well into my retirement years. I would say that there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been, so how is that explained. Oh I understand fully no worries about that, you may not like my answer so I won't upset you by saying so. Speak, I don't think that you would have anything new that you could say which would "upset" me.
I've already heard the multitude of reasons why people who are still professing view me and others.
If you don't want to tell me publicaly here on the forum, - you can send me personal message on TMB
It should be a good conversation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2019 4:08:51 GMT -5
Speak, From your posts, I get the idea that you are rather younger than many of us here.
If so, -it would explain why you seem unable to understand how the "TRUTH," fellowship, 2x2's or whatever you would want to call it, -how it has affected our lives in a way that it apparently hasn't affected your life. I am well into my retirement years. I would say that there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been, so how is that explained. Oh I understand fully no worries about that, you may not like my answer so I won't upset you by saying so. It was undoubtedly something degrading about her person, so thanks for the consideration.
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Post by janj on Nov 16, 2019 11:51:22 GMT -5
Being reared as a foster child I grew up being told I was STUPID! During my early childhood I really believed my name was "knothead!" I didn't apply myself and I gave up on EVERYTHING in school. NOTHING was interesting to me. Most of my teachers HATED my twin and I. The teachers beat on us with boards once a week at least and for no reason. I know we were very shy, and good kids. It wasn't until we got clear away from the truth, went to live with a Methodist family, that we finally realized we had a BRAIN! My step-Dad let the school know he would SUE any teacher who gave us the board or even touched us! Life became different then... We started taking flying lessons at the local airport and learning the associated math skills. Math came easy for us both then. If I had the education back then that I have now I could have achieved much more in life. Will someone please explain to me why the Friends and Workers are against education? Pretty sad but that was to do with your foster family, not really the church. My family was completely the opposite, encouraging us at school and to get a tertiary education. In saying that, I know there were some that didnt encourage education but then there were many other children at our school whose parents didnt encourage education either-just leave school ASAP and get a job. It's easy to blame the church, when actually it may have been that way anyway. You ask why are the friends and workers against education? If you are meaning currently, well they are not as far as I can see. I know of many many friends and workers with university qualifications.
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Post by snow on Nov 16, 2019 13:03:52 GMT -5
What I have seen in this country is that those in the fellowship are encouraged to have a good education. Of many in the ministry either have good trade and university qualifications, it is not wished that they enter the ministry without life experience/work experience. I think that's a good idea. If the ministry isn't for them, then they have a trade to fall back on. It would also mean that they are a little older when making the worker choice and have a better understanding of the world also.
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 16, 2019 13:24:20 GMT -5
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Post by speak on Nov 16, 2019 19:44:00 GMT -5
I am well into my retirement years. I would say that there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been, so how is that explained. Oh I understand fully no worries about that, you may not like my answer so I won't upset you by saying so. It was undoubtedly something degrading about her person, so thanks for the consideration. weird
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 16, 2019 20:07:37 GMT -5
Being reared as a foster child I grew up being told I was STUPID! During my early childhood I really believed my name was "knothead!" I didn't apply myself and I gave up on EVERYTHING in school. NOTHING was interesting to me. Most of my teachers HATED my twin and I. The teachers beat on us with boards once a week at least and for no reason. I know we were very shy, and good kids. It wasn't until we got clear away from the truth, went to live with a Methodist family, that we finally realized we had a BRAIN! My step-Dad let the school know he would SUE any teacher who gave us the board or even touched us! Life became different then... We started taking flying lessons at the local airport and learning the associated math skills. Math came easy for us both then. If I had the education back then that I have now I could have achieved much more in life. Will someone please explain to me why the Friends and Workers are against education? Pretty sad but that was to do with your foster family, not really the church. My family was completely the opposite, encouraging us at school and to get a tertiary education. In saying that, I know there were some that didnt encourage education but then there were many other children at our school whose parents didnt encourage education either-just leave school ASAP and get a job. It's easy to blame the church, when actually it may have been that way anyway. You ask why are the friends and workers against education? If you are meaning currently, well they are not as far as I can see. I know of many many friends and workers with university qualifications. Yes, it did have to do with the 2x2 CHURCH! I don't know your age or how long you family history may be in the 2x2's.
But my family history goes back to the early 1900's Yes, NOW, they may have university qualifications!
I even know one of the friends is a woman DOCTOR! gasp! And here I, on the other hand, had to defy the 2x2 system to even become a nurse.
I know on man whose parents listened to the workers and didn't help him a pursuit to be a doctor and he would have been a great doctor.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 16, 2019 20:28:23 GMT -5
My granny born in the early 1900s said the only purpose of high school was dating! She married awfully young somehow!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 16, 2019 20:29:01 GMT -5
I am well into my retirement years. I would say that there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been, so how is that explained. Oh I understand fully no worries about that, you may not like my answer so I won't upset you by saying so. Speak, I don't think that you would have anything new that you could say which would "upset" me.
I've already heard the multitude of reasons why people who are still professing view me and others.
If you don't want to tell me publicaly here on the forum, - you can send me personal message on TMB
It should be a good conversation. speak, I had hoped you would go ahead and amply your statement that "there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been," that you believe you can explain.
Really, -you needn't worry about "upseting" me.
I would love to hear your explanations.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 16, 2019 21:05:49 GMT -5
My granny born in the early 1900s said the only purpose of high school was dating! She married awfully young somehow! One way or another , young people from any culture or religion will find a way to meet others and be together . Quite acceptable and normal , was the culture of professing young people meeting at conventions and lots of “marriages originated from those “meetings”. Heard enough ridicule of “bridal school” about other cultures young people meetings . O well. Some people met through Western Producer ads, online ,bars , telephone etc etc . I was not too innocent either ,,when I asked a young boy if he wanted an aeroplane ride , hoping his single mom might join us . She did and the rest us history. Lol Alvin
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2019 21:14:58 GMT -5
My granny born in the early 1900s said the only purpose of high school was dating! She married awfully young somehow! One way or another , young people from any culture or religion will find a way to meet others and be together . Quite acceptable and normal , was the culture of professing young people meeting at conventions and lots of “marriages originated from those “meetings”. Heard enough ridicule of “bridal school” about other cultures young people meetings . O well. Some people met through Western Producer ads, online ,bars , telephone etc etc . I was not too innocent either ,,when I asked a young boy if he wanted an aeroplane ride , hoping his single mom might join us . She did and the rest us history. Lol Alvin Ah, you knew how to go about it.
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Post by janj on Nov 16, 2019 22:09:47 GMT -5
Pretty sad but that was to do with your foster family, not really the church. My family was completely the opposite, encouraging us at school and to get a tertiary education. In saying that, I know there were some that didnt encourage education but then there were many other children at our school whose parents didnt encourage education either-just leave school ASAP and get a job. It's easy to blame the church, when actually it may have been that way anyway. You ask why are the friends and workers against education? If you are meaning currently, well they are not as far as I can see. I know of many many friends and workers with university qualifications. Yes, it did have to do with the 2x2 CHURCH! I don't know your age or how long you family history may be in the 2x2's.
But my family history goes back to the early 1900's Yes, NOW, they may have university qualifications!
I even know one of the friends is a woman DOCTOR! gasp! And here I, on the other hand, had to defy the 2x2 system to even become a nurse.
I know on man whose parents listened to the workers and didn't help him a pursuit to be a doctor and he would have been a great doctor.
What -you only go back to the early 1900's -flip your just new on the block then. Actually if you read the title of the thread it says why ARE the friends and workers... not why WERE-so we are apparently talking about the present.You on the other hand seem to forget that the world is moving on. In Australia and NZ I would say more of the 2x2 kids go to university than the norm. When my siblings (who are well on in years!!) went off to university it was not the 'friends' that tut tutted but the locals. So DMG that is my experience -just as 'right' as yours!!
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Post by speak on Nov 16, 2019 22:21:57 GMT -5
Speak, I don't think that you would have anything new that you could say which would "upset" me.
I've already heard the multitude of reasons why people who are still professing view me and others.
If you don't want to tell me publicaly here on the forum, - you can send me personal message on TMB
It should be a good conversation. speak, I had hoped you would go ahead and amply your statement that "there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been," that you believe you can explain.
Really, -you needn't worry about "upseting" me.
I would love to hear your explanations.
To amplify, they had/have God in their lives, simple as that.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 16, 2019 23:08:22 GMT -5
speak, I had hoped you would go ahead and amply your statement that "there are many many in the fellowship of your age which have not been affected as you have been," that you believe you can explain.
Really, -you needn't worry about "upseting" me.
I would love to hear your explanations.
To amplify, they had/have God in their lives, simple as that. Oh my!
I really didn't expect anything new but I really did think you just might come up with something a little different than the multiple reasons I have heard.
But it is really just the same old canard dressed a little differently. They would give the reason we left as; "Well you know they never did really understand what it meant."
When a group of people must keep intact their view of themselves as an elite, -they have to do some kind of rationalization to maintain their feeling of superiority.
So, -you see, speak -you needn't have worried about upsetting me. As I said, I have heard them all before.
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