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Post by nathan on Oct 17, 2019 14:04:32 GMT -5
** God doesn't want the believers in heaven to know how their families and others suffering in hades. God said he makes all things NEW, no more pains, no more sorrows and regrets. God just wipe out our past memories on earth. Just like old folks loosing their memories. Come on, Nathan. Most old people remember childhood days better then recent days. Just part of old age. Being in heaven’s better then that. I wouldn’t be surprised all good memories will be kept but those that caused anxiety, tears and troubles won’t. It kind of like now, born-again spirits will feel a quick recognition of Jesus when they see him. Just as Jesus said his sheep know his voice. Our born again spirits were well conditioned to the Master’s every aspect7 of being so that our responses are always positive and readily given. ** I will find out the truth when I get to heaven, then I send a FAX ASAP to let Snow, know what is going on up there.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 17, 2019 17:37:08 GMT -5
Come on, Nathan. Most old people remember childhood days better then recent days. Just part of old age. Being in heaven’s better then that. I wouldn’t be surprised all good memories will be kept but those that caused anxiety, tears and troubles won’t. It kind of like now, born-again spirits will feel a quick recognition of Jesus when they see him. Just as Jesus said his sheep know his voice. Our born again spirits were well conditioned to the Master’s every aspect7 of being so that our responses are always positive and readily given. ** I will find out the truth when I get to heaven, then I send a FAX ASAP to let Snow, know what is going on up there. You won’t have to, she’ll already know! 😉
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Post by nathan on Oct 17, 2019 19:15:15 GMT -5
** I will find out the truth when I get to heaven, then I send a FAX ASAP to let Snow, know what is going on up there. You won’t have to, she’ll already know! 😉 *** Snow believes after death is the end of all life. We believers will sit in the clouds and play the harps all days long. I will fax her my log/journey to the trillions galaxies in the Universe.
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Post by snow on Oct 18, 2019 11:01:29 GMT -5
** I will find out the truth when I get to heaven, then I send a FAX ASAP to let Snow, know what is going on up there. You won’t have to, she’ll already know! 😉 What will I already know? Just because you happen to believe in the Christian God, doesn't make that God real. It's a belief that you hold. And, that's fine. But it doesn't affect anyone else who is not a believer in your God or any Gods. I'm sure Hindu's and Muslims would reject the Christian God the same way atheists do. Difference is atheists just believe in one less God than everyone else. None.
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Post by snow on Oct 18, 2019 11:02:42 GMT -5
You won’t have to, she’ll already know! 😉 *** Snow believes after death is the end of all life. We believers will sit in the clouds and play the harps all days long. I will fax her my log/journey to the trillions galaxies in the Universe. Thanks for the thought Nathan Exploring trillions of galaxies as long as I couldn't get hurt might be lots of fun!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 18, 2019 12:51:28 GMT -5
You won’t have to, she’ll already know! 😉 What will I already know? Just because you happen to believe in the Christian God, doesn't make that God real. It's a belief that you hold. And, that's fine. But it doesn't affect anyone else who is not a believer in your God or any Gods. I'm sure Hindu's and Muslims would reject the Christian God the same way atheists do. Difference is atheists just believe in one less God than everyone else. None. I was talking about Nathan faxing you about what he finds in heaven. All I said was by then you’d already know, that by that time faxing would be a moot point.
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Post by snow on Oct 18, 2019 13:07:27 GMT -5
What will I already know? Just because you happen to believe in the Christian God, doesn't make that God real. It's a belief that you hold. And, that's fine. But it doesn't affect anyone else who is not a believer in your God or any Gods. I'm sure Hindu's and Muslims would reject the Christian God the same way atheists do. Difference is atheists just believe in one less God than everyone else. None. I was talking about Nathan faxing you about what he finds in heaven. All I said was by then you’d already know, that by that time faxing would be a moot point. I see. I was responding to, what if he does die before me and can tell me from the grave what heaven is like. But I went off on a tangent, so that's my bad. I would love to receive word from heaven that it exists and what it's actually like if it does exist. Who wouldn't. Then we good lay to rest the unknowing aspect of 'is there life after death' once and for all.
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Post by Grant on Oct 18, 2019 14:36:52 GMT -5
I was talking about Nathan faxing you about what he finds in heaven. All I said was by then you’d already know, that by that time faxing would be a moot point. I see. I was responding to, what if he does die before me and can tell me from the grave what heaven is like. But I went off on a tangent, so that's my bad. I would love to receive word from heaven that it exists and what it's actually like if it does exist. Who wouldn't. Then we good lay to rest the unknowing aspect of 'is there life after death' once and for all. What would you do, suddenly believe in order to go there? Isn't there a verse that says something like even if someone was to come back from the dead, people wouldn't believe? People have talked about their experience of life beyond the grave but people still do not believe.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Oct 18, 2019 15:12:03 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Oct 18, 2019 15:33:58 GMT -5
*** Snow believes after death is the end of all life. We believers will sit in the clouds and play the harps all days long. I will fax her my log/journey to the trillions galaxies in the Universe. Thanks for the thought Nathan Exploring trillions of galaxies as long as I couldn't get hurt might be lots of fun! ** You would LOVE the journey to be able to travel to the trillions galaxies meetings trillions intelligence species in these galaxies. You would have a very interesting testimony because of your background on different religions and of Jesus Christ to share with these intelligence beings, who have never heard of Yahweh Creator God. With the NEW resurrection bodies we will never get waery, hungry, sick or ever getting old and death dad no power over us. We can teleport from one galaxy to the next. Appear and disappear at will like Christ/God. Like Jesus said " Ye are gods." God create us in their image and likeness to rule and reign with Christ/the TREE of life but the Serpent/Satan deceived Eve and Adam to disobey God's command to partake the Tree knowledge of good and evil= to be with Satan for eternity. After Adam and Eve realized they had made a horrible choice they repented and asked God to SAVE them from the Serpent prison in Hades and the Lake of fire for eternity. We were created in Christ and God the Father's image. Christ came down from heaven to pay the ransom price from Satan. Christ came to RESTORE the image of God back to us so we can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 yrs on earth. Snow, it will be VERY exciting life.... You don't want to miss what God and Christ have planned out for us.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 18, 2019 16:17:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the thought Nathan Exploring trillions of galaxies as long as I couldn't get hurt might be lots of fun! ** You would LOVE the journey to be able to travel to the trillions galaxies meetings trillions intelligence species in these galaxies. You would have a very interesting testimony because of your background on different religions and of Jesus Christ to share with these intelligence beings, who have never heard of Yahweh Creator God. With the NEW resurrection bodies we will never get waery, hungry, sick or ever getting old and death dad no power over us. We can teleport from one galaxy to the next. Appear and disappear at will like Christ/God. Like Jesus said " Ye are gods." God create us in their image and likeness to rule and reign with Christ/the TREE of life but the Serpent/Satan deceived Eve and Adam to disobey God's command to partake the Tree knowledge of good and evil= to be with Satan for eternity. After Adam and Eve realized they had made a horrible choice they repented and asked God to SAVE them from the Serpent prison in Hades and the Lake of fire for eternity. We were created in Christ and God the Father's image. Christ came down from heaven to pay the ransom price from Satan. Christ came to RESTORE the image of God back to us so we can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 yrs on earth. Snow, it will be VERY exciting life.... You don't want to miss what God and Christ have planned out for us. Aliens now? interestingengineering.com/giant-blob-learn-living-organism
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Post by nathan on Oct 18, 2019 17:04:04 GMT -5
** You would LOVE the journey to be able to travel to the trillions galaxies meetings trillions intelligence species in these galaxies. You would have a very interesting testimony because of your background on different religions and of Jesus Christ to share with these intelligence beings, who have never heard of Yahweh Creator God. With the NEW resurrection bodies we will never get waery, hungry, sick or ever getting old and death dad no power over us. We can teleport from one galaxy to the next. Appear and disappear at will like Christ/God. Like Jesus said " Ye are gods." God create us in their image and likeness to rule and reign with Christ/the TREE of life but the Serpent/Satan deceived Eve and Adam to disobey God's command to partake the Tree knowledge of good and evil= to be with Satan for eternity. After Adam and Eve realized they had made a horrible choice they repented and asked God to SAVE them from the Serpent prison in Hades and the Lake of fire for eternity. We were created in Christ and God the Father's image. Christ came down from heaven to pay the ransom price from Satan. Christ came to RESTORE the image of God back to us so we can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 yrs on earth. Snow, it will be VERY exciting life.... You don't want to miss what God and Christ have planned out for us. Aliens now? interestingengineering.com/giant-blob-learn-living-organism** The Universe is filled with God created intelligence beings. Just like God and Christ created and populated the earth with all kinds of human races. Satan and 1/3 of the fallen created by cloning God's creation= hybrid races... Reptians, all different types of the Greys 4/5 feet and 7 feet tall, and so on. They are highly advance Artificial intelligence beings. They were cloned to do Satan and the fallen angels dirty and evil works on earth and through out the trillions galaxies in the universe to destroy God's creation and works. That is one of the main reasons God and Christ created the humans, Jesus said "Ye are gods!" to help Him to RULE the universe and to defeat Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels, when He returns as King of kings and LORD of Lords.
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Post by snow on Oct 19, 2019 13:02:29 GMT -5
I see. I was responding to, what if he does die before me and can tell me from the grave what heaven is like. But I went off on a tangent, so that's my bad. I would love to receive word from heaven that it exists and what it's actually like if it does exist. Who wouldn't. Then we good lay to rest the unknowing aspect of 'is there life after death' once and for all. What would you do, suddenly believe in order to go there? Isn't there a verse that says something like even if someone was to come back from the dead, people wouldn't believe? People have talked about their experience of life beyond the grave but people still do not believe. I don't believe it was life beyond the grave because we know that a brain that is under stress and trauma (like a dying brain) it just a brain trying to make sense of what is happening. That's why most NDE's are culture specific when they are recounted. Christians see Jesus, Hindus see their version of the after life etc. I see that as a brain taking what it knows and tries to make sense of what is happening to it. But if there was a credible message that could be confirmed it wasn't just a misfiring brain, I believe I would take note. I am not against the concept of an afterlife. I just think it's highly unlikely. I see no reason to believe something that there is no way of proving. That's just it is for me.
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Post by snow on Oct 19, 2019 13:05:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the thought Nathan Exploring trillions of galaxies as long as I couldn't get hurt might be lots of fun! ** You would LOVE the journey to be able to travel to the trillions galaxies meetings trillions intelligence species in these galaxies. You would have a very interesting testimony because of your background on different religions and of Jesus Christ to share with these intelligence beings, who have never heard of Yahweh Creator God. With the NEW resurrection bodies we will never get waery, hungry, sick or ever getting old and death dad no power over us. We can teleport from one galaxy to the next. Appear and disappear at will like Christ/God. Like Jesus said " Ye are gods." God create us in their image and likeness to rule and reign with Christ/the TREE of life but the Serpent/Satan deceived Eve and Adam to disobey God's command to partake the Tree knowledge of good and evil= to be with Satan for eternity. After Adam and Eve realized they had made a horrible choice they repented and asked God to SAVE them from the Serpent prison in Hades and the Lake of fire for eternity. We were created in Christ and God the Father's image. Christ came down from heaven to pay the ransom price from Satan. Christ came to RESTORE the image of God back to us so we can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 yrs on earth. Snow, it will be VERY exciting life.... You don't want to miss what God and Christ have planned out for us. I agree, if that was what heaven was really like, it would be exciting. But I think it's highly unlikely we survive after we die, our consciousness anyway. Obviously our atoms get dispersed to be whatever, but we aren't part of that consciously. I can see why you are excited about it if that's your belief. But it's just too far fetched to be mine.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 19, 2019 13:22:19 GMT -5
What would you do, suddenly believe in order to go there? Isn't there a verse that says something like even if someone was to come back from the dead, people wouldn't believe? People have talked about their experience of life beyond the grave but people still do not believe. I don't believe it was life beyond the grave because we know that a brain that is under stress and trauma (like a dying brain) it just a brain trying to make sense of what is happening. That's why most NDE's are culture specific when they are recounted. Christians see Jesus, Hindus see their version of the after life etc. I see that as a brain taking what it knows and tries to make sense of what is happening to it. But if there was a credible message that could be confirmed it wasn't just a misfiring brain, I believe I would take note. I am not against the concept of an afterlife. I just think it's highly unlikely. I see no reason to believe something that there is no way of proving. That's just it is for me. As I’ve said before, it really is all about faith. And that too is s gift from God according to Ephesians 2. How some get that faith and others don’t? There are various reasons. Sometimes general life’s disappointments can harden one enough to where God’s gift of faith just doesn’t take hold. From what I can remember Snow, your childhood had some very traumatic times, even to having to face that being adopted you still didn’t feel as a real member of the family. Plus the badgering by those parents to make good in God before you had had a chance to make good naturally was too much for you whole being. So God’s gift of faith likely never reached the part of your heart and mind that would have seen you through all theses doubts and dislikes. JMO
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Post by snow on Oct 19, 2019 14:11:20 GMT -5
I don't believe it was life beyond the grave because we know that a brain that is under stress and trauma (like a dying brain) it just a brain trying to make sense of what is happening. That's why most NDE's are culture specific when they are recounted. Christians see Jesus, Hindus see their version of the after life etc. I see that as a brain taking what it knows and tries to make sense of what is happening to it. But if there was a credible message that could be confirmed it wasn't just a misfiring brain, I believe I would take note. I am not against the concept of an afterlife. I just think it's highly unlikely. I see no reason to believe something that there is no way of proving. That's just it is for me. As I’ve said before, it really is all about faith. And that too is s gift from God according to Ephesians 2. How some get that faith and others don’t? There are various reasons. Sometimes general life’s disappointments can harden one enough to where God’s gift of faith just doesn’t take hold. From what I can remember Snow, your childhood had some very traumatic times, even to having to face that being adopted you still didn’t feel as a real member of the family. Plus the badgering by those parents to make good in God before you had had a chance to make good naturally was too much for you whole being. So God’s gift of faith likely never reached the part of your heart and mind that would have seen you through all theses doubts and dislikes. JMO Well I don't seem to be gifted with faith that's for sure. I thought I had faith for the first part of my life, but it was probably just I wanted to avoid displeasing my parents and do what would make them happy. But at 12 when I started to see how the Christian god was portrayed in the OT I started with my questioning and faith wasn't possible anymore.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Oct 19, 2019 15:17:07 GMT -5
As I’ve said before, it really is all about faith. And that too is s gift from God according to Ephesians 2. How some get that faith and others don’t? There are various reasons. Sometimes general life’s disappointments can harden one enough to where God’s gift of faith just doesn’t take hold. From what I can remember Snow, your childhood had some very traumatic times, even to having to face that being adopted you still didn’t feel as a real member of the family. Plus the badgering by those parents to make good in God before you had had a chance to make good naturally was too much for you whole being. So God’s gift of faith likely never reached the part of your heart and mind that would have seen you through all theses doubts and dislikes. JMO Well I don't seem to be gifted with faith that's for sure. I thought I had faith for the first part of my life, but it was probably just I wanted to avoid displeasing my parents and do what would make them happy. But at 12 when I started to see how the Christian god was portrayed in the OT I started with my questioning and faith wasn't possible anymore. You wanted their blessings so you pushed yourself to believe what they seemed to believe. You were entirely too young to start with and so much just natural pressures on you to fit in, and I’m terribly sorry about that! But I saw that time and again in the 2x2s. I felt it myself, just wanted Gram to love me so I thought to profess was the thing to get that. But she already loved me but I didn’t know that as we weren’t a demonstrative family.
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Post by nathan on Oct 19, 2019 15:17:31 GMT -5
** You would LOVE the journey to be able to travel to the trillions galaxies meetings trillions intelligence species in these galaxies. You would have a very interesting testimony because of your background on different religions and of Jesus Christ to share with these intelligence beings, who have never heard of Yahweh Creator God. With the NEW resurrection bodies we will never get waery, hungry, sick or ever getting old and death dad no power over us. We can teleport from one galaxy to the next. Appear and disappear at will like Christ/God. Like Jesus said " Ye are gods." God create us in their image and likeness to rule and reign with Christ/the TREE of life but the Serpent/Satan deceived Eve and Adam to disobey God's command to partake the Tree knowledge of good and evil= to be with Satan for eternity. After Adam and Eve realized they had made a horrible choice they repented and asked God to SAVE them from the Serpent prison in Hades and the Lake of fire for eternity. We were created in Christ and God the Father's image. Christ came down from heaven to pay the ransom price from Satan. Christ came to RESTORE the image of God back to us so we can rule and reign with Christ for 1000 yrs on earth. Snow, it will be VERY exciting life.... You don't want to miss what God and Christ have planned out for us. I agree, if that was what heaven was really like, it would be exciting. But I think it's highly unlikely we survive after we die, our consciousness anyway. Obviously our atoms get dispersed to be whatever, but we aren't part of that consciously. I can see why you are excited about it if that's your belief. But it's just too far fetched to be mine. The reason we are excited about because Christ came down from heaven and told His apostles and followers about their future and what amazing things and events are to expect to come to pass. 2000 yrs ago, Jesus said in John 14 in my Father house there are MANY mansions, I go to prepare a place (new earth and new Jerusalem city) for where I am there you will be also. In 95 A.D. Jesus showed John the apostle the New heavenly city street paved with pure gold and all kinds of gems stones. God is not going to force anyone to live there if they don't want to. There are so much pains, sorrows and tears on this Satan's planet earth kingdom. God wants to offer and give us a place to live for eternity. I hope you change your mind someday, Snow. You deserve to be there because of all the sadness, pains and sorrows you endure on this terrible place. You are a caring, kind person, and a thinker.
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Post by snow on Oct 20, 2019 11:49:02 GMT -5
I agree, if that was what heaven was really like, it would be exciting. But I think it's highly unlikely we survive after we die, our consciousness anyway. Obviously our atoms get dispersed to be whatever, but we aren't part of that consciously. I can see why you are excited about it if that's your belief. But it's just too far fetched to be mine. The reason we are excited about because Christ came down from heaven and told His apostles and followers about their future and what amazing things and events are to expect to come to pass. 2000 yrs ago, Jesus said in John 14 in my Father house there are MANY mansions, I go to prepare a place (new earth and new Jerusalem city) for where I am there you will be also. In 95 A.D. Jesus showed John the apostle the New heavenly city street paved with pure gold and all kinds of gems stones. God is not going to force anyone to live there if they don't want to. There are so much pains, sorrows and tears on this Satan's planet earth kingdom. God wants to offer and give us a place to live for eternity. I hope you change your mind someday, Snow. You deserve to be there because of all the sadness, pains and sorrows you endure on this terrible place. You are a caring, kind person, and a thinker. Thank you Nathan. But it won't be so bad the way I believe either. I won't know I'm dead so therefore I won't be in pain or suffering. Thank you for your concern for me though.
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Post by nathan on Oct 20, 2019 14:54:35 GMT -5
The reason we are excited about because Christ came down from heaven and told His apostles and followers about their future and what amazing things and events are to expect to come to pass. 2000 yrs ago, Jesus said in John 14 in my Father house there are MANY mansions, I go to prepare a place (new earth and new Jerusalem city) for where I am there you will be also. In 95 A.D. Jesus showed John the apostle the New heavenly city street paved with pure gold and all kinds of gems stones. God is not going to force anyone to live there if they don't want to. There are so much pains, sorrows and tears on this Satan's planet earth kingdom. God wants to offer and give us a place to live for eternity. I hope you change your mind someday, Snow. You deserve to be there because of all the sadness, pains and sorrows you endure on this terrible place. You are a caring, kind person, and a thinker. Thank you Nathan. But it won't be so bad the way I believe either. I won't know I'm dead so therefore I won't be in pain or suffering. Thank you for your concern for me though. ** You are welcome, we have exchanged posts with each others on TMB for many yrs and I appreciate your kind spirit in asking questions and replying. You and I only a few yrs left and we face Eternity and I would like both of us end up in the right place so we can continue to discuss all kinds issues, subjects in the universe.
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Post by snow on Oct 20, 2019 15:00:31 GMT -5
Thank you Nathan. But it won't be so bad the way I believe either. I won't know I'm dead so therefore I won't be in pain or suffering. Thank you for your concern for me though. ** You are welcome, we have exchanged posts with each others on TMB for many yrs and I appreciate your kind spirit in asking questions and replying. You and I only a few yrs left and we face Eternity and I would like both of us end up in the right place so we can continue to discuss all kinds issues, subjects in the universe. That made me smile because I have been watching a series called 'The Good Place' on Netflix. It's about 4 people that died and went to the Good place because of glitch in the program. They really were supposed to have gone to the Bad Place. It's a comedy of course, but when you said 'end up in the right place' it reminded me of that show.
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