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Post by snow on Jan 26, 2020 13:30:05 GMT -5
A great example of nathan mixing his venus rubbish with the Bible. !! It is happening often now in a lot of his posts. So who said he keeps them separate and only brings it up when someone else mentions it ....@wally ?? uh nathan didn't mention lilth someone else did and got the ball rolling...nice try though Not sure why that matters. He still said what he said. He's right about the myth of Lilith. But he's not accurate on the end of it at least not according to the myth as I have read it. She left Adam and became a concubine of Satan, and made little demons with him and became one herself. God made Eve while Lilith was still alive as far as I can tell from the myth.
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Post by nathan on Jan 26, 2020 17:11:09 GMT -5
uh nathan didn't mention lilth someone else did and got the ball rolling...nice try though Not sure why that matters. He still said what he said. He's right about the myth of Lilith. But he's not accurate on the end of it at least not according to the myth as I have read it. She left Adam and became a concubine of Satan, and made little demons with him and became one herself. God made Eve while Lilith was still alive as far as I can tell from the myth. Well, according to God, Lilth was OUT of the picture in Adam's life because He created Eve out one of his ribs/DNA to be his wife to bear him children for him so, God would have A big immortal beings family.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2020 17:26:41 GMT -5
Don't listen to him, Nathan. Keep saying that stuff over and over again. It's called gaslighting -- it's very effective. It works for Trump, too, and he's not insane. I learned from the BEST teacher on TMB, RT... The Queen of broken records. I want to make sure people get it in their heads if I repeats over and over.... some begin to agree and see it for themselves.
I will Wally, someday it will sink in people hearts then they will SAY once I was blind now I see! like I was blind about these things for 30 yrs.But will you be able to convince Wally?
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 1:28:55 GMT -5
I learned from the BEST teacher on TMB, RT... The Queen of broken records. I want to make sure people get it in their heads if I repeats over and over.... some begin to agree and see it for themselves.
I will Wally, someday it will sink in people hearts then they will SAY once I was blind now I see! like I was blind about these things for 30 yrs. But will you be able to convince Wally? I will try but the Holy Spirit has to reveal these things to him and people. It took me about 30 yrs to believe and understand it.... Wally, has a long way to go... I will keep on trying until my last day.
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Post by snow on Jan 27, 2020 14:57:04 GMT -5
Not sure why that matters. He still said what he said. He's right about the myth of Lilith. But he's not accurate on the end of it at least not according to the myth as I have read it. She left Adam and became a concubine of Satan, and made little demons with him and became one herself. God made Eve while Lilith was still alive as far as I can tell from the myth. Well, according to God, Lilth was OUT of the picture in Adam's life because He created Eve out one of his ribs/DNA to be his wife to bear him children for him so, God would have A big immortal beings family.Yes she was out of the story but according to the myth, she left Adam, she didn't die. She lived for quite some time making little demon babies according to the myth.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 17:27:25 GMT -5
Well, according to God, Lilth was OUT of the picture in Adam's life because He created Eve out one of his ribs/DNA to be his wife to bear him children for him so, God would have A big immortal beings family. Yes she was out of the story but according to the myth, she left Adam, she didn't die. She lived for quite some time making little demon babies according to the myth. ** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh.
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Post by Annan on Jan 27, 2020 17:50:30 GMT -5
Yes she was out of the story but according to the myth, she left Adam, she didn't die. She lived for quite some time making little demon babies according to the myth. ** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives?
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Post by snow on Jan 27, 2020 17:50:57 GMT -5
Yes she was out of the story but according to the myth, she left Adam, she didn't die. She lived for quite some time making little demon babies according to the myth. ** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done.
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Post by Annan on Jan 27, 2020 17:57:28 GMT -5
When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. Attachment Deleted
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Post by snow on Jan 27, 2020 18:00:26 GMT -5
When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. View AttachmentAh yes. But if you say something like that the patented answer for that is this: "He can do whatever he wanted to us because it's his creation" And then there is this one "God's ways are not our ways. We are just unable to understand fully why God does what he does".
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 19:25:30 GMT -5
** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. ** That is NOT the truth about my LORD and God and Savior. You atheists don't tell the truth about Him, you judge God through one or two verses you pick here and there and you don't KNOW or understand the circumstances of the events God was dealing with.
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Post by Annan on Jan 27, 2020 19:31:06 GMT -5
When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. ** That is NOT the truth about my LORD and God and Savior. You atheists don't tell the truth about Him, you judge God through one or two verses you pick here and there and you don't KNOW or understand the circumstances of the events God was dealing with. The events god was dealing with??? You are freaking unreal, Nathan. Gotta wonder how well it would go over if I murdered people that didn't obey me, especially my children. I gave birth to the little buggers. I own them. They are mine. Saith Annan! Well I do know how well that would go over. Bye bye...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 27, 2020 20:59:27 GMT -5
When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. ** That is NOT the truth about my LORD and God and Savior. You atheists don't tell the truth about Him, you judge God through one or two verses you pick here and there and you don't KNOW or understand the circumstances of the events God was dealing with. What you don't realize, Nathan, is that WE do know the history of mankind and therefore WE understand the circumstances of the events that those PEOPLE were "dealing" with and THAT was the reason that THEY "created" a supernatural being to "help" & comfort them!
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 21:23:11 GMT -5
** That is NOT the truth about my LORD and God and Savior. You atheists don't tell the truth about Him, you judge God through one or two verses you pick here and there and you don't KNOW or understand the circumstances of the events God was dealing with. What you don't realize, Nathan, is that WE do know the history of mankind and therefore WE understand the circumstances of the events that those PEOPLE were "dealing" with and THAT was the reason that THEY "created" a supernatural being to "help" & comfort them!*** Yes, I know you know these things in the past but now it seems you left/lost your first LOVE for God like those in the 7 churches in Revelation. If they didn't repent God would blot out their names from the book of life and remove their crowns of eternal life. Please, learn from their mistakes and repent before it too late.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 21:29:31 GMT -5
When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. sorry since the flood its been mostly satan....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 27, 2020 21:34:12 GMT -5
What you don't realize, Nathan, is that WE do know the history of mankind and therefore WE understand the circumstances of the events that those PEOPLE were "dealing" with and THAT was the reason that THEY "created" a supernatural being to "help" & comfort them! *** Yes, I know you know these things in the past but now it seems you left/lost your first LOVE for God like those in the 7 churches in Revelation. If they didn't repent God would blot out their names from the book of life and remove their crowns of eternal life. Please, learn from their mistakes and repent before it too late. The "PAST" is in mankind's PAST life, -Nathan, not mine.
In MY past life, Nathan, -I was just indoctrinated in the same way that you were as well.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 27, 2020 23:28:56 GMT -5
Yes she was out of the story but according to the myth, she left Adam, she didn't die. She lived for quite some time making little demon babies according to the myth. ** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. What about Solomon?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 27, 2020 23:39:12 GMT -5
** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. What about Solomon? He had a hell of a lot of mother in laws.
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Post by nathan on Jan 27, 2020 23:49:36 GMT -5
** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. What about Solomon? That was A NO! NO! because he didn't obey God's teaching of ONE husband and ONE wife... It was his 700 wives and 300 heathen concubines lead King Solomon from God and served the false gods of his wives/concubine. Just as God had predicted, “As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God” (1 Kings 11:4). To please his wives, Solomon even got involved in sacrificing to Milcom (or Molech), a god that required “detestable” acts to be performed (1 Kings 11:7-8).
At first Solomon only permitted these ceremonies, tolerating all religions; but later, as he grew older, he attended upon the rites, and his heart was turned away after heathen deities. These foreign wives were from the very tribes which the Israelites had been commanded to destroy utterly.
Solomon's downfall began when he married the daughter of the Egyptian Pharaoh to seal a political alliance. He could not control his lust. Among Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines were many foreigners, which angered God. The inevitable happened: They lured King Solomon away from Yahweh into the worship of false gods and idols.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2020 0:18:50 GMT -5
Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives?
Because they were using a round-about-way of keeping the law; "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
God's wrath is part of His judgement and genocide was His way eliminating wickedness. We are sinners, which makes us unworthy to condemn others, "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the LORD." (Romans 12:19).. Jesus followed all the rules, but he'll enforce them at the 2nd advent.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 28, 2020 2:58:17 GMT -5
Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives? Because they were using a round-about-way of keeping the law; "Thou shalt not commit adultery" God's wrath is part of His judgement and genocide was His way eliminating wickedness. We are sinners, which makes us unworthy to condemn others, "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the LORD." (Romans 12:19).. Jesus followed all the rules, but he'll enforce them at the 2nd advent.
The problem though out the history of Christianity has been and still often is the case that in many Christians circles it's adherents have taken it upon themselves to decide who is "wicked" and then visited upon that group what they claim to be the "wrath of god."
It could still happen today if we became the "Christian" nation that some people want to see happen and are actively working towards.
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 13:30:45 GMT -5
When has God ever been held to following his rules Nathan. Try never. It's okay for him to be wrathful, jealous commit genocide etc, but we are deemed unworthy of him if we did half the things he's done. ** That is NOT the truth about my LORD and God and Savior. You atheists don't tell the truth about Him, you judge God through one or two verses you pick here and there and you don't KNOW or understand the circumstances of the events God was dealing with. Nathan, you too don't know and you ignore and justify the horrific things that the OT records that your God has done. That's how I see it. I recognize why you have to. When I read about what that god did it horrified me enough to quit worshiping it even though I was sure at that time it meant I was going to hell. There is no justification for what that entity did in the OT, over and over. But you have to gloss it over, justify it and write apologetics to continue to believe in an entity that I see as a monster. I cannot unsee that and nor should I.
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 13:32:49 GMT -5
He had a hell of a lot of mother in laws. Hmmm that can't be good Just more complications with contradictions as I see it!
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 13:36:34 GMT -5
Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives? Because they were using a round-about-way of keeping the law; "Thou shalt not commit adultery" God's wrath is part of His judgement and genocide was His way eliminating wickedness. We are sinners, which makes us unworthy to condemn others, "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the LORD." (Romans 12:19).. Jesus followed all the rules, but he'll enforce them at the 2nd advent.
If you truly believe this I am so sorry and sad for you. What a horrible way to view mankind. There is never an excuse for genocide. A god that created a people that he has to periodically kill off doesn't sound like that great a creator in the first place. Why don't Christians ever see their God for what he really is. An ineffective, genocidal monster? You would never ever accept the things in a human if they did it, so why do think it's okay to justify it in an all knowing, all powerful, being that is also supposed to be all merciful and loving? That sure takes even the 'tough love' mentality to an extreme!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 14:31:01 GMT -5
He had a hell of a lot of mother in laws. Maybe he was very wise. He could set all those mother-in-law tongues at each other and he’d walk away unscathed!
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 14:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 14:34:40 GMT -5
** According to God's word in the old and new Testament teaching one wife one husband till death we part... NOT to get married married if the first wife is alive. (Matthew 19) God and Jesus teaching. One Adam/husband One Lilth/wife. God would NOT have made Eve to be Adam second wife if Lilth was STILL ALIVE because that is against his belief and teachings TWO shall become ONE flesh. Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives? God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth.
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Post by Annan on Jan 28, 2020 14:36:01 GMT -5
Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives? God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth. Where does it say that in your book?
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