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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2020 18:32:12 GMT -5
All those who don't believe in evolution are really hoping that those who do find an answer to a vaccine for covid-19
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 18:36:34 GMT -5
All those who don't believe in evolution are really hoping that those who do find an answer to a vaccine for covid-19 when the virus turns into cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns i'll give evilution another look...
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2020 18:56:37 GMT -5
All those who don't believe in evolution are really hoping that those who do find an answer to a vaccine for covid-19 when the virus turns into cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns i'll give evilution another look... Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 19:03:25 GMT -5
when the virus turns into cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns i'll give evilution another look... Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are. depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another)....
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2020 19:12:15 GMT -5
Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are. depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... All of evolution is micro. It's an accumulation of the 'micro' that eventually evolves into the 'macro'. All the changes that happen over a long period of time can and do change into macro. We may find a vaccine for the current version of the virus, but at some point it will evolve enough that that vaccine will no longer work.
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Post by rational on Mar 25, 2020 20:06:42 GMT -5
Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are. depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... In your definition of micro-evolution is there a genetic change?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 20:12:39 GMT -5
depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... In your definition of micro-evolution is there a genetic change? a little yes....
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Post by rational on Mar 25, 2020 20:14:32 GMT -5
In your definition of micro-evolution is there a genetic change? a little yes.... So the changes, in the genes, are passed from parent to offspring?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 0:56:40 GMT -5
Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are. depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... that's scientific nonsense. We've seen speciation happen in our lifetimes. Furthermore, magically turning one thing to another isn't at all what evolution predicts. A careful reading of Genesis reveals that the punishment for the snake was that it would have to "eat dirt" (slither on the ground) for his treachery. This means that the snake at the time prior, didn't have to. The snake had legs. So, the evilution trick of turning one thing into something completely different was performed by the big guy himself. That was of course after turning a rib into a woman, and some dirt into a dirtbag. Now that's some evilution for ya! So....if you believe a literal Genesis, you believe in both creationism, and evilution. You don't believe in current evolutionary biology, which posits the creation and the instant evilution by God are unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 1:09:19 GMT -5
depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... that's scientific nonsense. We've seen speciation happen in our lifetimes. Furthermore, magically turning one thing to another isn't at all what evolution predicts. A careful reading of Genesis reveals that the punishment for the snake was that it would have to "eat dirt" (slither on the ground) for his treachery. This means that the snake at the time prior, didn't have to. The snake had legs. So, the evilution trick of turning one thing into something completely different was performed by the big guy himself. That was of course after turning a rib into a woman, and some dirt into a dirtbag. Now that's some evilution for ya! So....if you believe a literal Genesis, you believe in both creationism, and evilution. You don't believe in current evolutionary biology, which posits the creation and the instant evilution by God are unlikely. we may have seen adaptation but i haven't seen anything that turned from something else into something else and i never said magically i used the terms micro "evilution" and macro "evilution"... i'm not so sure that God removing the legs off of a "snake" would be considered evilution it might be more like amputation though...
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2020 1:21:57 GMT -5
All those who don't believe in evolution are really hoping that those who do find an answer to a vaccine for covid-19 when the virus turns into cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns i'll give evilution another look... They are already working on "cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs & crohns," Wally.
I suspect the problem that you may have, wally, -is you don't know the multiple medical problems have already solved by understanding how evolution works.
Could that be because you just don't pay the kind of attention to the advancement of medical science as some of the rest of us ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 1:26:39 GMT -5
when the virus turns into cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns i'll give evilution another look... They are already working on "cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs & crohns," Wally.
I suspect the problem that you may have, wally, -is you don't know the multiple medical problems have already solved by understanding how evolution works.
Could that be because you just don't pay the kind of attention to the advancement of medical science as some of the rest of us ?i'm sure they are or have....that doesn't really address my post though...come to me when the covid-19 virus turns into a different disease like cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns....then we might have something to chat about....
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Post by snow on Mar 26, 2020 13:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 15:18:14 GMT -5
Paradoxes abound on religious forums. For instance, the brain that works be improved the most by such a course is the same brain that sees the least value.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2020 15:53:57 GMT -5
Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are. depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... What I have found interesting is that there was a time when many people wouldn't believe in evolution at all, -of any kind, -now they seem to accept some parts.
Even the Catholic Church has accepted evolution ideas to a certain extent.
Evolution and the Catholic Church
Early contributions to biology were made by Catholic scientists such as Jean-Baptiste Lamarck and the Augustinian friar Gregor Mendel.
Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined.
For nearly a century, the papacy offered no authoritative pronouncement on Darwin's theories.
In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that God created all things and that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces
Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Catholic_Church
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 26, 2020 16:02:50 GMT -5
They are already working on "cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs & crohns," Wally.
I suspect the problem that you may have, wally, -is you don't know the multiple medical problems have already solved by understanding how evolution works.
Could that be because you just don't pay the kind of attention to the advancement of medical science as some of the rest of us ? i'm sure they are or have....that doesn't really address my post though...come to me when the covid-19 virus turns into a different disease like cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns....then we might have something to chat about.... Well, since that isn't going to happen, - that the "covid-19 virus will turn into a different disease like cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns…" then I guess we will never be able to have a conversation!
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Post by rational on Mar 27, 2020 8:29:03 GMT -5
when the virus turns into cancer, MS, lou gerhrigs or crohns i'll give evilution another look... Viruses evolve. Our knowledge of how they evolve is what everyone is hoping we succeed at. Evolution does not say that it will change into another disease. Wally, you are smarter than this. When you say things that are not what evolution is does not make you seem as smart as you are. If SARS-CoV-2 evolves into a grass hopper we could beat it by stepping on it. And that is probably one reason it won't.
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Post by Ed on Mar 30, 2020 12:10:20 GMT -5
“Suppose you were coming from outer space, you’re a biologist, right?,, You come to the Earth and you listen to a long lecture about Darwin, the immense importance of Darwinian biology, but then, you open your own eyes…
What are the two things that would most strike you about living systems on the face of the Earth? Not the Darwinian rhetoric, but just the evidence of your own eyes?… One is that all life is related…. Biochemistry is the same throughout life. All life has very, very many of its properties in common…[which you would expect with a common designer]
The second thing you’d notice, if you are honest, is that there is a vast inseparable distinction between two kinds of living systems—human beings and all the rest. That is something that’s rarely noticed, rarely emphasized.
The distance between a human being and our nearest chimpanzee-like ancestors, common ancestors is much, much, much greater than the difference between a chimpanzee and a flower. We’re talking about a bifurcation in the manifold of Biology. Human beings on one side, the rest of the animal kingdom or the plant kingdom on the other.
These are facts that I think that any untroubled observer, and by untroubled, I mean someone who is not previously adhered to any kind of ideology such as Darwinism. Would it once recognize life is connected? It’s in some sense one living system, but profoundly divided between human beings and all the rest.
That’s the first step towards some sort of system of reconciliation because it prompts the inevitable question. “Hey, how come? Why are human beings so different? Why do they organize themselves differently? Why do they have mathematics, literature? Why do they speak to one another? Why do they have creative thoughts?
-David Berlinski, “David Berlinski on the link between evolution, science and progressivism”
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Post by Ed on Mar 30, 2020 13:01:16 GMT -5
depends on what your talking about concerning evilution...is it micro(adaptation) or macro(one species turning into another).... All of evolution is micro. It's an accumulation of the 'micro' that eventually evolves into the 'macro'. All the changes that happen over a long period of time can and do change into macro. We may find a vaccine for the current version of the virus, but at some point it will evolve enough that that vaccine will no longer work. Secular biologists are divided on this and not all agree with this version of the theory. If the Materialists on this board were being totally honest, they would have alerted you to this fact already. Francis Crick on why he called Darwinism the Central Dogma of Biology; "I called this idea the central dogma, for two reasons, I suspect. I had already used the obvious word hypothesis in the sequence hypothesis, and in addition I wanted to suggest that this new assumption was more central and more powerful. ... As it turned out, the use of the word dogma caused almost more trouble than it was worth. Many years later Jacques Monod pointed out to me that I did not appear to understand the correct use of the word dogma, which is a belief that cannot be doubted. I did apprehend this in a vague sort of way but since I thought that all religious beliefs were without foundation, I used the word the way I myself thought about it, not as most of the world does, and simply applied it to a grand hypothesis that, however plausible, had little direct experimental support." ‘Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it has not been observed while it’s happening.’ - Richard Dawkins, Professor of Zoology, Oxford University
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Post by snow on Mar 30, 2020 13:22:58 GMT -5
All of evolution is micro. It's an accumulation of the 'micro' that eventually evolves into the 'macro'. All the changes that happen over a long period of time can and do change into macro. We may find a vaccine for the current version of the virus, but at some point it will evolve enough that that vaccine will no longer work. Secular biologists are divided on this and not all agree with this version of the theory. If the Materialists on this board were being totally honest, they would have alerted you to this fact already. Francis Crick on why he called Darwinism the Central Dogma of Biology; "I called this idea the central dogma, for two reasons, I suspect. I had already used the obvious word hypothesis in the sequence hypothesis, and in addition I wanted to suggest that this new assumption was more central and more powerful. ... As it turned out, the use of the word dogma caused almost more trouble than it was worth. Many years later Jacques Monod pointed out to me that I did not appear to understand the correct use of the word dogma, which is a belief that cannot be doubted. I did apprehend this in a vague sort of way but since I thought that all religious beliefs were without foundation, I used the word the way I myself thought about it, not as most of the world does, and simply applied it to a grand hypothesis that, however plausible, had little direct experimental support." ‘Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it has not been observed while it’s happening.’ - Richard Dawkins, Professor of Zoology, Oxford University Carry on. Stand in line for the vaccine you have no belief in.
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Post by rational on Mar 30, 2020 14:43:34 GMT -5
“Suppose you were coming from outer space, you’re a biologist, right?,, You come to the Earth and you listen to a long lecture about Darwin, the immense importance of Darwinian biology, but then, you open your own eyes… What are the two things that would most strike you about living systems on the face of the Earth? Not the Darwinian rhetoric, but just the evidence of your own eyes?… One is that all life is related…. Biochemistry is the same throughout life. All life has very, very many of its properties in common…[which you would expect with a common designer] All life developed/evolved using the materials/environment available. But if you look at life forma in different environments you will see that they also use different building elements. Consider the bacteria that live deep near the thermal vents. Not certain what you think is different with humans. For a short time I was involved in caring for discarded humans. You would be hard pressed to see the difference between these entities and any other living thing. What, in your view, makes man more special than, for example, a co ckroach? All living organisms have their special 'talents'. How are you measuring distance? Will the observer also be 'untroubled' by religion? Honey bees communicate the location of flowers to the entire hive. Crows use tools to get food?
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Post by snow on Mar 31, 2020 14:28:37 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Apr 1, 2020 10:26:58 GMT -5
Thanks snow! I have always learned a lot from your posts. ( and your attitude (but it might not show...))
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2020 12:52:10 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2020 18:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by matisse on Apr 2, 2020 20:00:58 GMT -5
Thanks snow ! I have always learned a lot from your posts. ( and your attitude (but it might not show...)) hahaha!
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