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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2024 18:56:34 GMT -5
Quote from Nathan to Bob: "Back then you didn’t make any deep impression on me, you just another 2x2, you didn’t mean anything to me because we didn’t say anything to each other until I met you online." A sheep meaning nothing to the one who was supposedly shepherd hearted. Charming 🤭 What is a stupid thing to say as always! Of course I care about him as a friend/sheep, and even to now…. We are still speaking and keeping in touch, I haven’t given up hop on him. You care for people like a normal narcissist cares - - depending on how they will fawn over you. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2024 19:04:14 GMT -5
Not to be argumentative, but to present a perspective: Was there a purpose for dinosaurs that precluded the creation of humans? It's a legitimate question that some serious scientists will expect a Christian to be able to answer before he could believe. Well that's something I can't answer, that's a long time ago and I don't know why God created dinosaurs as I wasn't there. I can only go by the things I know about and see now. I remain cognizant of the fact that I cannot have a clue about what my speck of matter means to the vastness of the universe, say nothing of who created it. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2024 19:06:15 GMT -5
The verse you just quoted, when applied to the human species, appears to suggest that unless you produce offspring (you know what that means) you'll be fruitless. I heard a joke about a man who planted baby chickens in the ground and complained because they didn't grow more chickens.  "Die to self" basically means: if you like it, don't do it. It means anything anyone wants it to mean, and it all depends on what each individual enjoys - - human necessities included. That's why we have religious fanatics going so far as to cement themselves into brick cocoons until they die from lack of food contributions through the holes they've left for God to feed them through. Quote Bob: "Die to self" basically means: if you like it, don't do it. Die to self doesn't mean that, it means to put away the wrong that is within us or what's bad to do even if we enjoy it. For example, people enjoy smoking but it's bad for them, same with drugs, some people love money and they are hard and selfish because they want more if it, even some billionaires can never have enough and want more, those things aren't good. Then there's things like hardness and hatred, some people thrive on these things, they really hate people and love it when bad things happen to them, that's not good either. Or they are proud and love being like that and looking down on others, another thing that isn't good, basically loving ourselves so much so we'll do what we want even if it wrecks our body, or hurts others, which are the lusts of the flesh. These are the things we are you give up, these are some of the things that we are to die to self from, and we all have different things to deny, but still, we all have some of them, and some have more than others and many are blind to it and think they are ok, but we're not ok, it's wrong before God to do these things. And Jesus came and showed us the way to come out of them and out of the world. When I talk about the world, what I mean is not joining in with people when they are doing these things, but rather try to help them get out of them. I wouldn't keep away from anyone, who am I to say "I wouldn't go near him/her" God wants everyone, and I'm no better than anyone else, Jesus mixed with everyone he just didn't do the wrong others did and tried to help them to stop, and that's what those who belong to God should do too. That's what not to be in the world is, it's not to do the wrong you see others do when you know it's wrong before God, it also means you deny yourself and fight the wrong in our own hearts, but still be there for others whoever they are. In our meeting, they say we must look as ourselves first as there's enough wrong in us before we start judging others. The word of God does the judging, we should tell the truth, live by it, help when we see the need and leave judgement to God. That sounds OK to me. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 30, 2024 22:18:36 GMT -5
The bible doesn't give details of how God created everything, and your assumption of when things were created may be skewed. God may have very well used gravity to pull particles together.
Two Hebrew words found in Genesis 1 are 'bara' which means create, and 'asah' which means made. Bara refers to a supernatural creation ex nihilo (Latin for “out of nothing”) but asah means to make out of preexisting material.
So God created (bara) the heavens and the earth, stars first and then the earth, long before revitalizing a preexisting earth (verse 1). The earth had become void and dark before the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the already existing waters (verse 2). "And God made (asah) two great lights" (verse 16). I believe this likely entailed positioning and illuminating a preexisting sun and moon to properly light the earth.
I believe the universe and earth previously existed from a first earth age long before the Genesis story of how God reestablish it to sustain life again. "For thus saith the Lord that created (bara) the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made (asah) it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:18).
The Godhead revealed to Job how Christ/God created the heavens and the Universe in the book of Job chapters 38-42. In Hebrews 1:8-12 God the the Father revealed it was Christ the Lord God created the heavens/Universe and the earth, and the creation of ALL the angels in heaven and including Lucifer, they were the works of His hands! The apostle John wrote in John 1:1-14 it was the Word/Logos/ Christ Jesus the God/Man that created everything in the Universe at WORDS came out from Him Genesis 1 Let there be light and the Universe appeared! The Big Bang. 💥🌎🪐✨💫💫🌈☀️ |
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Post by fixit on Oct 30, 2024 23:14:43 GMT -5
The Godhead revealed to Job how Christ/God created the heavens and the Universe in the book of Job chapters 38-42. You don't seem to realise that the word "Godhead" was not used in the bible as you use it. The KJV bible only uses the word "Godhead" three times and it simply means diety or divine nature. Nothing to do with trinitarian dogma that only became accepted by the Catholic church hundreds of years after the bible was written. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 30, 2024 23:24:13 GMT -5
The Godhead revealed to Job how Christ/God created the heavens and the Universe in the book of Job chapters 38-42. You don't seem to realise that the word "Godhead" was not used in the bible as you use it. The KJV bible only uses the word "Godhead" three times and it simply means diety or divine nature. Nothing to do with trinitarian dogma that only became accepted by the Catholic church hundreds of years after the bible was written. Who do you think belong in the Godhead? In Genesis 1:26 who was God talking to when He said “Let Us create man in our image and in Our likeness? Who were the “ Us and Our image” if there is ONLY One God? |
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Post by help on Oct 31, 2024 1:21:05 GMT -5
God was talking to his supreme Angel, Michael. I have seen it on a YouTube video. youtu.be/9ow2eqpOJf8 |
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Post by Mary on Oct 31, 2024 3:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2024 5:05:25 GMT -5
That's awful!!! Is that all some people on here can talk about, worshipping the cross and death. And what is this supposed to mean? "or thorns compose so rich a crown" Jesus was brutally beaten, scourged and mocked, those thorns were an insult to him, not a lovely ring of flowers gently placed on his head. They were not any rich crown at all, they were mocking him when they did that to him. It was evil what those people did to Jesus. I don't get cross worshipping songs like this, they are hideous, they are just as bad as bowing down to one. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2024 5:08:07 GMT -5
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Post by Mary on Oct 31, 2024 5:59:03 GMT -5
That's awful!!! Is that all some people on here can talk about, worshipping the cross and death. And what is this supposed to mean? "or thorns compose so rich a crown" Jesus was brutally beaten, scourged and mocked, those thorns were an insult to him, not a lovely ring of flowers gently placed on his head. They were not any rich crown at all, they were mocking him when they did that to him. It was evil what those people did to Jesus. I don't get cross worshipping songs like this, they are hideous, they are just as bad as bowing down to one. The hymn was taken from Galatians 6 v 14: But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. |
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Post by Annan on Oct 31, 2024 6:04:49 GMT -5
Like the supposed figure of speech when you said certain workers should be hung? Yep, it was a figure of speech like Jesus used in Matthew 18! But if any man shall offend these little ones, which believe in me, if it were better for him a that a large millstone were hang about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Dan and I went over with you 100s of times before! Well, we see many CSA workers are hanging themselves literality with these verses these days. Don't lie, Natie. It wasn't a figure of speech till a year later when Dan bailed you out. LIAR! |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2024 6:06:38 GMT -5
That's awful!!! Is that all some people on here can talk about, worshipping the cross and death. And what is this supposed to mean? "or thorns compose so rich a crown" Jesus was brutally beaten, scourged and mocked, those thorns were an insult to him, not a lovely ring of flowers gently placed on his head. They were not any rich crown at all, they were mocking him when they did that to him. It was evil what those people did to Jesus. I don't get cross worshipping songs like this, they are hideous, they are just as bad as bowing down to one. The hymn was taken from Galatians 6 v 14: But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. That wooden cross is not the cross we are to glorify, we are to glorify the cross Jesus bore in his lifetime, the same cross we have to pick up when we deny ourselves and follow Jesus by living it out, that's how we truly glorify God and Christ. It's not the one that they murdered him on, and mocked him on by beating him and sticking thorns on his head. That's a horrible song! |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 31, 2024 6:59:14 GMT -5
Yep, it was a figure of speech like Jesus used in Matthew 18! But if any man shall offend these little ones, which believe in me, if it were better for him a that a large millstone were hang about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Dan and I went over with you 100s of times before! Well, we see many CSA workers are hanging themselves literality with these verses these days. Don't lie, Natie. It wasn't a figure of speech till a year later when Dan bailed you out. LIAR! No lie! Dan observation and explanation was right on the money from most of the posts, he had read about me, spot on.🎖️🏆🥇 |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 31, 2024 7:13:03 GMT -5
The hymn was taken from Galatians 6 v 14: But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. That wooden cross is not the cross we are to glorify, we are to glorify the cross Jesus bore in his lifetime, the same cross we have to pick up when we deny ourselves and follow Jesus by living it out, that's how we truly glorify God and Christ. It's not the one that they murdered him on, and mocked him on by beating him and sticking thorns on his head. That's a horrible song! Paul wasn’t talking about the wooden cross that the Christians and people wearing around their necks! Today. It was the PREACHING of the Cross Paul wrote in I Cor. 1: 18-21 For the PREACHING of the Cross. is to them that Perish is foolishness; but unto us/believers, it the POWER of God.. It pleased God through the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that believed. But we PREACHED Christ CRUCIFIED unto the Jews a stumbling blocked and unto the Gentiles foolishness, but unto them that are called both Jews and the gentiles, Christ the Power of God, and the Wisdom of God, because the foolishness of God Wiser than men… But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the Wise; and God has chosen the weak things of this world to confounds which things are mighty so that NO flesh shall boast in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made us wisdom and righteous and Sanctification, and Redemption.That according as it is written, He that glory, let him glory in the Lord. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2024 8:20:29 GMT -5
That wooden cross is not the cross we are to glorify, we are to glorify the cross Jesus bore in his lifetime, the same cross we have to pick up when we deny ourselves and follow Jesus by living it out, that's how we truly glorify God and Christ. It's not the one that they murdered him on, and mocked him on by beating him and sticking thorns on his head. That's a horrible song! Paul wasn’t talking about the wooden cross that the Christians and people wearing around their necks! Today. It was the PREACHING of the Cross Paul wrote in I Cor. 1: 18-21 For the PREACHING of the Cross. is to them that Perish is foolishness; but unto us/believers, it the POWER of God.. It pleased God through the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that believed. But we PREACHED Christ CRUCIFIED unto the Jews a stumbling blocked and unto the Gentiles foolishness, but unto them that are called both Jews and the gentiles, Christ the Power of God, and the Wisdom of God, because the foolishness of God Wiser than men… But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the Wise; and God has chosen the weak things of this world to confounds which things are mighty so that NO flesh shall boast in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made us wisdom and righteous and Sanctification, and Redemption.That according as it is written, He that glory, let him glory in the Lord. So which cross do you believe that Paul was talking about then? I know which one he means. But the things you say sure look like you mean the wooden cross! And if people don't believe that it's the wooden cross, why wear it around their necks? By the way the cross that Paul is preaching in those verses is the same cross that Jesus said we have to bare. And it's foolishness to those that perish, because they don't want to deny themselves and bare the cross of Christ, they are happy living their lives in this world. |
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Post by Annan on Oct 31, 2024 9:54:28 GMT -5
Don't lie, Natie. It wasn't a figure of speech till a year later when Dan bailed you out. LIAR! No lie! Dan observation and explanation was right on the money from most of the posts, he had read about me, spot on.🎖️🏆🥇 You were put in time out because of what you said about workers should be hanged. No figure of speech. Why did it take Dan till you claimed it was a figure of speech? We all know the truth. You can lie to us, but god knows the truth and will scorch your a$$ for your lies. |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 31, 2024 10:51:19 GMT -5
Paul wasn’t talking about the wooden cross that the Christians and people wearing around their necks! Today. It was the PREACHING of the Cross Paul wrote in I Cor. 1: 18-21 For the PREACHING of the Cross. is to them that Perish is foolishness; but unto us/believers, it the POWER of God.. It pleased God through the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that believed. But we PREACHED Christ CRUCIFIED unto the Jews a stumbling blocked and unto the Gentiles foolishness, but unto them that are called both Jews and the gentiles, Christ the Power of God, and the Wisdom of God, because the foolishness of God Wiser than men… But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the Wise; and God has chosen the weak things of this world to confounds which things are mighty so that NO flesh shall boast in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made us wisdom and righteous and Sanctification, and Redemption.That according as it is written, He that glory, let him glory in the Lord. So which cross do you believe that Paul was talking about then? I know which one he means. But the things you say sure look like you mean the wooden cross! And if people don't believe that it's the wooden cross, why wear it around their necks? By the way the cross that Paul is preaching in those verses is the same cross that Jesus said we have to bare. And it's foolishness to those that perish, because they don't want to deny themselves and bare the cross of Christ, they are happy living their lives in this world. Paul was talking about PREACHING the gospel message of the Cross, which Jesus died on Calvary for our Sanctification and Redemption of our sins…. and the sins of disobedience that Adam and Eve committed against the Godhead, which they brought on ALL of their mortal children, the Second Death/Eternal Separation from their presence forever after the judgment day. Read (Rev chapter 20). |
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 31, 2024 10:54:14 GMT -5
No lie! Dan observation and explanation was right on the money from most of the posts, he had read about me, spot on.🎖️🏆🥇 You were put in time out because of what you said about workers should be hanged. No figure of speech. Why did it take Dan till you claimed it was a figure of speech? We all know the truth. You can lie to us, but god knows the truth and will scorch your a$$ for your lies. Many of you dumb nit wits killers to assassinate me/figure of speech 😁 gang up on me! And it got way out of hands and take things way out of control on that one. 😤 I didn’t know, where you dummies going with it, and you got me trapped and nobody was there getting me out of it, thanks! To Dan, my guardian angel 😇 recognized my intention of what was going and explained it beautifully, how he saw the situation. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 31, 2024 10:54:27 GMT -5
We don't worship the cross itself, but the person who sweat blood and faced it for our sake. If someone stepped in front of you and took a bullet to save your life, you don't worship the bullet, but the person who saved your life.
So which cross do you believe that Paul was talking about then? I know which one he means. But the things you say sure look like you mean the wooden cross! And if people don't believe that it's the wooden cross, why wear it around their necks? By the way the cross that Paul is preaching in those verses is the same cross that Jesus said we have to bare. And it's foolishness to those that perish, because they don't want to deny themselves and bare the cross of Christ, they are happy living their lives in this world.
Try as you may, you can never bare the cross that Jesus did. No one else could pay the price for sin because we are all sinners and aren't worthy. You are essentially making yourself equal with Christ by thinking that your good enough, but the cross we bare is not in the same ballpark. Jesus never said, "Save yourself", it wasn't necessary and it isn't possible. The song recognizes his redeeming sacrifice, the horror and agony Jesus endured was the ultimate and supreme gift to all of mankind.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2024 11:44:56 GMT -5
So which cross do you believe that Paul was talking about then? I know which one he means. But the things you say sure look like you mean the wooden cross! And if people don't believe that it's the wooden cross, why wear it around their necks? By the way the cross that Paul is preaching in those verses is the same cross that Jesus said we have to bare. And it's foolishness to those that perish, because they don't want to deny themselves and bare the cross of Christ, they are happy living their lives in this world.
Try as you may, you can never bare the cross that Jesus did. No one else could pay the price for sin because we are all sinners and aren't worthy. You are essentially making yourself equal with Christ by thinking that your good enough, but the cross we bare is not in the same ballpark. Jesus never said, "Save yourself", it wasn't necessary and it isn't possible. The song recognizes his redeeming sacrifice, the horror and agony Jesus endured was the ultimate and supreme gift to all of mankind.
If we don't have to bare our cross, why did Jesus say, that those not willing to take up their cross are not worthy of him? And that's ridiculous saying I'm making myself equal with Christ, no I'm not, I'm just not watering down the gospel so that I don't have to do anything saying that Jesus has paid the price and done it all for me. I don't know how many times I have to say that I couldn't do it without God, it's like you ignore that bit and keep saying stupid things like I'm trying to make myself equal with Christ, I have to try to deny the wrong in me and bare my cross and follow Jesus, I have faith in God and I know all things are possible with him, and I know he can help me to overcome. Where's your faith? Never mind saying we can't do it, yes we can, and by the strength of God and through Christ we can overcome. I'm living proof, because God has helped me to overcome a lot already, and I pray he helps me every day, and I know that if I live by his will and do as he pleases he will never leave me. I have complete faith in him. Also, people clearly do worship the cross, they wear them on their neck, kiss them, bow down to them etc. it's disgusting. It's a Roman murder weapon, and it was a sin before God to murder Jesus, and making happy clappy songs about it is wrong. |
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Post by maryhig on Oct 31, 2024 11:47:22 GMT -5
So which cross do you believe that Paul was talking about then? I know which one he means. But the things you say sure look like you mean the wooden cross! And if people don't believe that it's the wooden cross, why wear it around their necks? By the way the cross that Paul is preaching in those verses is the same cross that Jesus said we have to bare. And it's foolishness to those that perish, because they don't want to deny themselves and bare the cross of Christ, they are happy living their lives in this world. Paul was talking about PREACHING the gospel message of the Cross, which Jesus died on Calvary for our Sanctification and Redemption of our sins…. and the sins of disobedience that Adam and Eve committed against the Godhead, which they brought on ALL of their mortal children, the Second Death/Eternal Separation from their presence forever after the judgment day. Read (Rev chapter 20). See so you're saying that's the cross that Jesus died on, no Paul isn't speaking about that, he's speaking about the cross that Jesus bore, and the cross we must take up when we follow him. I can't believe I've got into this again, that's all you and those who believe as you do talk about!!!! |
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Post by Annan on Oct 31, 2024 13:20:08 GMT -5
You were put in time out because of what you said about workers should be hanged. No figure of speech. Why did it take Dan till you claimed it was a figure of speech? We all know the truth. You can lie to us, but god knows the truth and will scorch your a$$ for your lies. Many of you dumb nit wits killers to assassinate me/figure of speech 😁 gang up on me! And it got way out of hands and take things way out of control on that one. 😤 I didn’t know, where you dummies going with it, and you got me trapped and nobody was there getting me out of it, thanks! To Dan, my guardian angel 😇 recognized my intention of what was going and explained it beautifully, how he saw the situation. Nice try but no cigar, Natie. Try again. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 31, 2024 13:22:13 GMT -5
If we don't have to bare our cross, why did Jesus say, that those not willing to take up their cross are not worthy of him? And that's ridiculous saying I'm making myself equal with Christ, no I'm not, I'm just not watering down the gospel so that I don't have to do anything saying that Jesus has paid the price and done it all for me. I don't know how many times I have to say that I couldn't do it without God, it's like you ignore that bit and keep saying stupid things like I'm trying to make myself equal with Christ, I have to try to deny the wrong in me and bare my cross and follow Jesus, I have faith in God and I know all things are possible with him, and I know he can help me to overcome. Where's your faith? Never mind saying we can't do it, yes we can, and by the strength of God and through Christ we can overcome. I'm living proof, because God has helped me to overcome a lot already, and I pray he helps me every day, and I know that if I live by his will and do as he pleases he will never leave me. I have complete faith in him. Also, people clearly do worship the cross, they wear them on their neck, kiss them, bow down to them etc. it's disgusting. It's a Roman murder weapon, and it was a sin before God to murder Jesus, and making happy clappy songs about it is wrong.
My point is that you can't do it with God's help because your already a sinner like everyone else. By believing that you can absolve yourself of sin, you are suggesting that the cross you bare is equal to Christ.
Its good to rely on God's help, strength, and guidance to help you overcome and be a better Christian. But that in itself doesn't save anyone, because it doesn't answer for sin.
The cross is just emblematic of what it represents, its a reminder of the price Jesus paid to rid us of our sins. People don't worship a wooden cross, they worship the one who hung and died on it.
We won't agree because you live in denial of the redemptive power of the cross, but no sinner can do it themselves. God certainly helps followers, but the remission of sin was something only God could answer for. We just can't blot-out sin ourselves. No matter how much effort and inspiration we have, sin was only erased after Jesus paid the price for it. Without his sacrifice, we are all guilty and condemned by the law.
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Post by nathan2 on Oct 31, 2024 13:50:56 GMT -5
Paul was talking about PREACHING the gospel message of the Cross, which Jesus died on Calvary for our Sanctification and Redemption of our sins…. and the sins of disobedience that Adam and Eve committed against the Godhead, which they brought on ALL of their mortal children, the Second Death/Eternal Separation from their presence forever after the judgment day. Read (Rev chapter 20). See so you're saying that's the cross that Jesus died on, no Paul isn't speaking about that, he's speaking about the cross that Jesus bore, and the cross we must take up when we follow him. I can't believe I've got into this again, that's all you and those who believe as you do talk about!!!! You missed the bigger and the MOST important picture of the Preaching the gospel message about Calvary’s Cross, where Christ God/Man Jesus had paid with His own sacrificial Lamb of God life for our sins/the Second Death….. that is suffered/died the Eternal separation from The Godhead presence for Eternity! For 3 days and nights in Hades after he died. Jesus tasted and endured the Second Death for us believers so, those who believe in Him as the Redeemers don’t have to go through that horrific experience after the Judgment day, that the unbelievers must experience for eternity. |
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Post by Mary on Oct 31, 2024 14:45:04 GMT -5
The hymn was taken from Galatians 6 v 14: But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. That wooden cross is not the cross we are to glorify, we are to glorify the cross Jesus bore in his lifetime, the same cross we have to pick up when we deny ourselves and follow Jesus by living it out, that's how we truly glorify God and Christ. It's not the one that they murdered him on, and mocked him on by beating him and sticking thorns on his head. That's a horrible song! The Gospel message is the life, death and resurrection, not just the life. If you just want to follow the life of someone then there are plenty of good people to follow. Ghandi for example. The Cross is central to the gospel message because without the sheding of blood there would be no forgiveness of sin. It was the will of the Father for him to die like that. Satan did not fowl up God's plan of salvation, he fulfilled it. To believers it's the crown of glory, it symbolizes the price he paid to redeem mankind but to an unbeliever it is just a lot of thorns. No matter what they dressed him in, to believers he was still the king of king and Lord of Lord. We give thanks to him for all he went through. 1 Corinthians 11:26, “For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.” If I remember correctly that hymn, when I survey the wonderous cross was also in the earlier editions of the 2x2 hymn book. |
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Post by Mary on Oct 31, 2024 15:12:58 GMT -5
The hymn was taken from Galatians 6 v 14: But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. That wooden cross is not the cross we are to glorify, we are to glorify the cross Jesus bore in his lifetime, the same cross we have to pick up when we deny ourselves and follow Jesus by living it out, that's how we truly glorify God and Christ. It's not the one that they murdered him on, and mocked him on by beating him and sticking thorns on his head. That's a horrible song! The Cross is a reminder of what he suffered. The symbol of the empty cross shows he is risen. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 31, 2024 15:32:28 GMT -5
That wooden cross is not the cross we are to glorify, we are to glorify the cross Jesus bore in his lifetime, the same cross we have to pick up when we deny ourselves and follow Jesus by living it out, that's how we truly glorify God and Christ. It's not the one that they murdered him on, and mocked him on by beating him and sticking thorns on his head. That's a horrible song! The Gospel message is the life, death and resurrection, not just the life. If you just want to follow the life of someone then there are plenty of good people to follow. Ghandi for example. The Cross is central to the gospel message because without the sheding of blood there would be no forgiveness of sin. It was the will of the Father for him to die like that. Satan did not fowl up God's plan of salvation, he fulfilled it. To believers it's the crown of glory, it symbolizes the price he paid to redeem mankind but to an unbeliever it is just a lot of thorns. No matter what they dressed him in, to believers he was still the king of king and Lord of Lord. We give thanks to him for all he went through. 1 Corinthians 11:26, “For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.” If I remember correctly that hymn, when I survey the wonderous cross was also in the earlier editions of the 2x2 hymn book. Its seems so evidently simple doesn't it.. For some reason MaryH has a block and just can't see it, I think she finds it so detestable that she refuses to reconcile the necessity of it. She's convinced that no price had to be paid for sin, but God lets nothing go unanswered. And yes, "When I Survey" was hymn #15
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