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Post by rational on Jul 28, 2019 22:31:53 GMT -5
Praise God! for saving our children will be no longer taken the advantage by the sexual predators and abusers in the fellowship. How did god have anything to do with this? |
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 22:41:17 GMT -5
Praise God! for saving our children will be no longer taken the advantage by the sexual predators and abusers in the fellowship. How did god have anything to do with this?
You are an atheist and NOT going to believe God has anything with this because to you there is NO God! This just happen by time. This is God's kingdom and His people... Young ones are the hope and future of the kingdom and they must be protected and preserved from the sexual predators and abusers to harm them. |
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Post by rational on Jul 28, 2019 22:46:27 GMT -5
How did god have anything to do with this?
You are an atheist and NOT going to believe God has anything with this because to you there is NO God! This just happen by time. This is God's kingdom and His people... Young ones are the hope and future of the kingdom and they must be protected and preserved from predators and abusers.If what you say is true what has god been doing for the past 100 years while the young ones have been being abused? Why wasn't there a policy in 1950? |
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 22:49:06 GMT -5
Statement from letter to Elders above, quote, " We are not a registered religious organisation and do not have creeds, tracts or other documents."End quote. Until they come to the conclusion that they are an organisation then the ongoing situation will continue to be SNAFU. Also by claiming that they are not an organisation they feel that there is no obligation to take part in the national CSA redress scheme set up by the Government. Think they still have a lot more to do, before they prove,and we believe that they are " Fair Dinkum". And of course there is they have been a registered charity in Victoria since 1928. Charity details ABN: 33833155319 Address: 6 Gallery Pl Mount Waverley VIC 3149 Australia Email: ccovmail@gmail.com Address For Service email: ccovmail@gmail.com Charity Size: Small Who the charity helps: Adults - aged 25 to under 65 Date established: 1928 Last reported: 4 March 2019 Next report due: 31 December 2019 Financial Year End: 30/06 Basic Religious Charity Status: Yes |
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 28, 2019 22:50:04 GMT -5
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 28, 2019 22:51:55 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 22:54:55 GMT -5
Well, God sent Graham S. to Australia to implement the CSA policy! The old senior leaders too OLD to understand how horrible CSA is for the victims. The New CSA policy for all workers, church elders and the friends to follow as a guideline and they will go to jail if they don't take heed or pay attention to CSA laws of the lands.
You are an atheist and NOT going to believe God has anything with this because to you there is NO God! This just happen by time. This is God's kingdom and His people... Young ones are the hope and future of the kingdom and they must be protected and preserved from predators and abusers. If what you say is true what has god been doing for the past 100 years while the young ones have been being abused? Why wasn't there a policy in 1950?
It takes time for God to get the ball rolling to bring CSA to the public attention in 1980s through the RCC priests sexually abused many of their altar boys, in homes, schools and etc... so, the WHOLE world must DEAL with it HEAD on and to eliminate CSA situation from get out of control.
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Post by fixit on Jul 28, 2019 22:59:27 GMT -5
Statement from letter to Elders above, quote, " We are not a registered religious organisation and do not have creeds, tracts or other documents."End quote. Until they come to the conclusion that they are an organisation then the ongoing situation will continue to be SNAFU. Also by claiming that they are not an organisation they feel that there is no obligation to take part in the national CSA redress scheme set up by the Government. Think they still have a lot more to do, before they prove,and we believe that they are " Fair Dinkum". And of course there is they have been a registered charity in Victoria since 1928. Charity details ABN: 33833155319 Address: 6 Gallery Pl Mount Waverley VIC 3149 Australia Email: ccovmail@gmail.com Address For Service email: ccovmail@gmail.com Charity Size: Small Who the charity helps: Adults - aged 25 to under 65 Date established: 1928 Last reported: 4 March 2019 Next report due: 31 December 2019 Financial Year End: 30/06 Basic Religious Charity Status: Yes Was the letter to elders for Victoria? |
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Post by Grant on Jul 28, 2019 23:07:57 GMT -5
Statement from letter to Elders above, quote, " We are not a registered religious organisation and do not have creeds, tracts or other documents."End quote. Until they come to the conclusion that they are an organisation then the ongoing situation will continue to be SNAFU. Also by claiming that they are not an organisation they feel that there is no obligation to take part in the national CSA redress scheme set up by the Government. Think they still have a lot more to do, before they prove,and we believe that they are " Fair Dinkum". And of course there is they have been a registered charity in Victoria since 1928. Charity details ABN: 33833155319 Address: 6 Gallery Pl Mount Waverley VIC 3149 Australia Email: ccovmail@gmail.com Address For Service email: ccovmail@gmail.com Charity Size: Small Who the charity helps: Adults - aged 25 to under 65 Date established: 1928 Last reported: 4 March 2019 Next report due: 31 December 2019 Financial Year End: 30/06 Basic Religious Charity Status: Yes Hi Nathan. I'm wondering who made you spokes person for the group on this matter? |
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Post by rational on Jul 28, 2019 23:10:45 GMT -5
If what you say is true what has god been doing for the past 100 years while the young ones have been being abused? Why wasn't there a policy in 1950?
It takes time for God to get the ball rolling to bring CSA to the public attention in 1980s through the RCC priests sexually abused many of their altar boys so, the WHOLE world must DEAL with it HEAD on and to eliminate CSA situation from get out of control.
You are saying god was embarrased to do anything about the abuse of the young children? I am not asking why it took until now for humans to solve the problem I am asking why an omniscient omnipotent being couldn't stop young childfren from being abused. "It takes time for god to get the ball rolling"? An entity that is claimed to have created the universe in 6 days? You've got to be kidding. If a human allowed the abuse of children when they had the power to stop it you would be calling for their arrest. God has been ineffective. 100 years to "get the ball rolling"? |
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 23:12:02 GMT -5
Organize or NOT Organized.... If any worker or friends today! in Australia and eventually it will SPREAD throughout the 2x2s world. The MINISTRY will NO LONGER tolerate CSA in the ministry or the fellowship! When so and so worker or friend commit such crimes the ministry and the friends as UNIT will NOT back them up but will distance from them. It's their OWN funerals. Hi Nathan. I'm wondering who made you spokes person for the group on this matter? |
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 23:17:23 GMT -5
It was a TABOO subject NOT just within the 2x2 ministry and fellowship but the WHOLE world. It was a subject you don't talk, discuss in public ever. Nobody wants to hear or believe it, so the victims suffer in silent.
It takes time for God to get the ball rolling to bring CSA to the public attention in 1980s through the RCC priests sexually abused many of their altar boys so, the WHOLE world must DEAL with it HEAD on and to eliminate CSA situation from get out of control.
You are saying god was embarrased to do anything about the abuse of the young children? I am not asking why it took until now for humans to solve the problem I am asking why an omniscient omnipotent being couldn't stop young childfren from being abused. "It takes time for god to get the ball rolling"? An entity that is claimed to have created the universe in 6 days? You've got to be kidding. If a human allowed the abuse of children when they had the power to stop it you would be calling for their arrest.
God has been ineffective. 100 years to "get the ball rolling"?
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Post by Grant on Jul 28, 2019 23:22:15 GMT -5
Hi Nathan. I'm wondering who made you spokes person for the group on this matter? Not mine but maybe someone in authority. Child sexual abuse is a serious subject and needs to be dealt with and advice given by professionals. You try to take over every thread and speak on behalf of the group so I wondered who gave you that role? |
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 23:26:06 GMT -5
Nobody. I did it Myself and with some of the friends help, we try to educate and warn and expose CSA within my church for 20 yrs. Do I need your permission? Not mine but maybe someone in authority. Child sexual abuse is a serious subject and needs to be dealt with and advice given by professionals. So try to take over every thread and speak on behalf of the group so I wondered who gave you that role? |
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Post by rational on Jul 28, 2019 23:31:20 GMT -5
You are saying god was embarrased to do anything about the abuse of the young children? I am not asking why it took until now for humans to solve the problem I am asking why an omniscient omnipotent being couldn't stop young childfren from being abused. "It takes time for god to get the ball rolling"? An entity that is claimed to have created the universe in 6 days? You've got to be kidding. If a human allowed the abuse of children when they had the power to stop it you would be calling for their arrest.
God has been ineffective. 100 years to "get the ball rolling"?
So you are following/worshiping a being that allows young children to be abused for hundreds of years and have no questions why god allowed the children to suffer until men, humans, got together to try to stop the abuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 23:34:24 GMT -5
Well, in the day of judgement you can ASK God about that. He will answer to all of your questions and He will to I hope He will. It will be interesting to be in the corner to see God answers to all of your questions you posted about him on TMB.
So you are following/worshiping a being that allows young children to be abused for hundreds of years and have no questions why god allowed the children to suffer until men, humans, got together to try to stop the abuse. like nathan suggested your asking the wrong guy...and yes it will be interesting to see you ask God questions on judgment day.... |
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2019 23:36:10 GMT -5
Well, in the day of judgement you can ASK God about that. He will answer to all of your questions and He will to I hope He will. It will be interesting to be in the corner to see God answers to all of your questions you posted about him on TMB.
So you are following/worshiping a being that allows young children to be abused for hundreds of years and have no questions why god allowed the children to suffer until men, humans, got together to try to stop the abuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 23:57:17 GMT -5
When you read the letter to Elders, you would get the impression there are only 2 states in Australia. What about, Victoria, Tasmania, Queensland, Western Australia, and Australian Capital Territory plus Northern Territory. Time for a bit of cohesion within 2x2's that has not existed in the past. Great if we see a document to show that every Worker in Australia has signed off on the policy. Then Nathan will set about having 100% Workers in the World sign it. Also it would be good to hear what they plan to do for past victims. As far as I know not one have received a letter of apology, or offer of support. Still a long way to go, but we applaud that a start has been made.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 0:24:25 GMT -5
Interesting - all money taken from the trust must be approved by the overseer.
Who had the purse?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 0:36:13 GMT -5
Interesting - all money taken from the trust must be approved by the overseer. Who had the purse? The 3 Trustees, and in our day one was a Bank Manager, and another was the Overseer's Son in Law. Sort of a bit in house. |
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 29, 2019 0:48:14 GMT -5
How did god have anything to do with this?
You are an atheist and NOT going to believe God has anything with this because to you there is NO God! This just happen by time. This is God's kingdom and His people... Young ones are the hope and future of the kingdom and they must be protected and preserved from the sexual predators and abusers to harm them.The senior workers are in constant communication with God through prayer. For hundreds of years, when confronted with CSA cases, the first thing they would have done is pray about what to do. From the response, we can tell that God told them to help cover it up, shut up the victim, and help the perpetrator escape prosecution. Miraculously, the same response was always seen throughout the world. |
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Post by nathan on Jul 29, 2019 1:13:45 GMT -5
Well, God sent Graham S. to Australia to implement the CSA policy! The old senior leaders too OLD to understand how horrible CSA is for the victims. The New CSA policy for all workers, church elders and the friends to follow as a guideline and they will go to jail if they don't take heed or pay attention to CSA laws of the lands.
You are an atheist and NOT going to believe God has anything with this because to you there is NO God! This just happen by time. This is God's kingdom and His people... Young ones are the hope and future of the kingdom and they must be protected and preserved from the sexual predators and abusers to harm them. The senior workers are in constant communication with God through prayer. For hundreds of years, when confronted with CSA cases, the first thing they would have done is pray about what to do. From the response, we can tell that God told them to help cover it up, shut up the victim, and help the perpetrator escape prosecution. Miraculously, the same response was always seen throughout the world. |
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Post by janj on Jul 29, 2019 2:53:27 GMT -5
Interesting - all money taken from the trust must be approved by the overseer. Who had the purse? The 3 Trustees, and in our day one was a Bank Manager, and another was the Overseer's Son in Law. Sort of a bit in house. Overseer's son in law -how did that work if he was a worker? How did he have a son in law? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 3:13:47 GMT -5
He was married. They used to be married in the old days, but somehow that policy was done away with. Why???.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 3:17:53 GMT -5
The 3 Trustees, and in our day one was a Bank Manager, and another was the Overseer's Son in Law. Sort of a bit in house. Overseer's son in law -how did that work if he was a worker? How did he have a son in law? I assume it’s Bill and Maggie Carroll from Ireland. Bill Carroll was overseer of Victoria 1913-1954. Their daughter married ex worker Dolph Shultz. ( Cherie Kropp Research) |
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Post by speak on Jul 29, 2019 3:22:51 GMT -5
The 3 Trustees, and in our day one was a Bank Manager, and another was the Overseer's Son in Law. Sort of a bit in house. Overseer's son in law -how did that work if he was a worker? How did he have a son in law?  |
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Post by breakfree on Jul 29, 2019 5:56:51 GMT -5
Hi Nathan. I'm wondering who made you spokes person for the group on this matter?
If you claim to know about victims of CSA why don't you do something about it?...then you are just as guilty as the others
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Jul 29, 2019 6:15:40 GMT -5
Statement from letter to Elders above, quote, " We are not a registered religious organisation and do not have creeds, tracts or other documents."End quote. Until they come to the conclusion that they are an organisation then the ongoing situation will continue to be SNAFU. Also by claiming that they are not an organisation they feel that there is no obligation to take part in the national CSA redress scheme set up by the Government. Think they still have a lot more to do, before they prove,and we believe that they are " Fair Dinkum". And of course there is they have been a registered charity in Victoria since 1928. Charity details ABN: 33833155319 Address: 6 Gallery Pl Mount Waverley VIC 3149 Australia Email: ccovmail@gmail.com Address For Service email: ccovmail@gmail.com Charity Size: Small Who the charity helps: Adults - aged 25 to under 65 Date established: 1928 Last reported: 4 March 2019 Next report due: 31 December 2019 Financial Year End: 30/06 Basic Religious Charity Status: Yes Was the letter to elders for Victoria? No - originally the Policy/Code of Conduct was for South Australia only but post the Sixty Minutes program, this was extended to NSW given the cases raised related to NSW. I imagine that it may be rolled out in each state in due course. I have heard that the rollout in NSW is going quite well. |
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