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Post by nathan on Jul 29, 2019 7:45:44 GMT -5
Nobody. I did it Myself and with some of the friends help, we try to educate and warn and expose CSA within my church for 20 yrs. Do I need your permission to discuss about MY Church CSA? Nathan,you are no SPOKESPERSON for the 2x2 Church!you just don't know when to SHUT UP....you think you know it all!I am surprised they haven't given you the boot yet?
If you claim to know about victims of CSA why don't you do something about it?...then you are just as guilty as the others
Show me anywhere in my post that I claim I am a spoke person for the 2x2? please. Yea, right that was 30 yrs ago! the overseers, senior workers, workers, the friends and most churches back then swept CSA under the carpet. They were ALL guilty wouldn't you say?
You were a 2x2 back in those years would you have reported to the police if your father or brothers had sexually abused you?
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Post by breakfree on Jul 29, 2019 8:30:46 GMT -5
Hi Nathan. I'm wondering who made you spokes person for the group on this matter? Nobody. I did it Myself and with some of the friends help, we try to educate and warn and expose CSA within my church for 20 yrs. Do I need your permission to discuss about MY Church CSA?
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 29, 2019 10:55:59 GMT -5
Yes, my link to the Victorian registered organisation details were simply to show that in some places at least, the claim of the workers not to be part of an organisation is at the very least misleading.
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Post by nathan on Jul 29, 2019 11:18:18 GMT -5
Nobody. I did it Myself and with some of the friends help, we try to educate and warn and expose CSA within my church for 20 yrs. Do I need your permission to discuss about MY Church CSA?
1) Breakfree wrote: you just don't know when to SHUT UP....you think you know it all! I am surprised they haven't given you the boot yet?
If you claim to know about victims of CSA why don't you do something about it?...then you are just as guilty as the others. ** You are reading more than I posted! There is NOTHING in my post to say I claim as a spokesman for my church.
I started to write about CSA in our fellowship because I care and concern for the victims well beings and NOT to be a spoke person for the 2x2s sect.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 29, 2019 11:19:09 GMT -5
The senior workers are in constant communication with God through prayer. For hundreds of years, when confronted with CSA cases, the first thing they would have done is pray about what to do. From the response, we can tell that God told them to help cover it up, shut up the victim, and help the perpetrator escape prosecution. Miraculously, the same response was always seen throughout the world. They wanted to cover up for their CSA worker buddies! God wants them to STOP from hurting the children, God works in mysterious ways and NOW they CAN'T cover up for their buddies anymore or they will go to JAIL with their guilty buddies. Remember, Jerome F. and his companion almost go to jail for NOT reporting a CSA worker from one of the workers on their staff awhile back.You really think they are all "buddies" with sexual predators??? Our human nature abhors those who prey on children. Even the most hardened criminals in prison hate and Target those who have committed these types of crimes. If you read the Bible, you will see that the character of God overcomes human nature and enables the followers of the Lord to commit the most atrocious acts. Remember how the Israelites wanted to spare noncombatant women and children during times of war? Instead, Moses passed along God's orders: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17-18
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:20:44 GMT -5
They wanted to cover up for their CSA worker buddies! God wants them to STOP from hurting the children, God works in mysterious ways and NOW they CAN'T cover up for their buddies anymore or they will go to JAIL with their guilty buddies. Remember, Jerome F. and his companion almost go to jail for NOT reporting a CSA worker from one of the workers on their staff awhile back. You really think they are all "buddies" with sexual predators??? Our human nature abhors those who prey on children. Even the most hardened criminals in prison hate and Target those who have committed these types of crimes. If you read the Bible, you will see that the character of God overcomes human nature and enables the followers of the Lord to commit the most atrocious acts. Remember how the Israelites wanted to spare noncombatant women and children during times of war? Instead, Moses passed along God's orders: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17-18 leave no enemy behind -chaka zulu
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 29, 2019 11:21:06 GMT -5
Statement from letter to Elders above, quote, " We are not a registered religious organisation and do not have creeds, tracts or other documents."End quote. Until they come to the conclusion that they are an organisation then the ongoing situation will continue to be SNAFU. Also by claiming that they are not an organisation they feel that there is no obligation to take part in the national CSA redress scheme set up by the Government. Think they still have a lot more to do, before they prove,and we believe that they are " Fair Dinkum". And of course there is this, they have been a registered charity in Victoria since 1928. Charity details ABN: 33833155319 Address: 6 Gallery Pl Mount Waverley VIC 3149 Australia Email: ccovmail@gmail.com Address For Service email: ccovmail@gmail.com Charity Size: Small Who the charity helps: Adults - aged 25 to under 65 Date established: 1928 Last reported: 4 March 2019 Next report due: 31 December 2019 Financial Year End: 30/06 Basic Religious Charity Status: Yes Fortunately, religious doctrine can be used to resolve the discrepancy. They are simultaneously both fully registered and unregistered. Kind of like the Trinity.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 29, 2019 11:39:51 GMT -5
Are you a parent? If so,do you need your meeting elder/ worker to educate you on how to bring up your children? This is my point.. This is good that the workers, the church elders, and back up elders and the friends are AWEAR of these things so they KNOW where are the boundary when they are around the children for their safety around the adults. Children have rights too, you know.
This policy must pass out, read and sign to all the churches of God around the world. This is one of the ways to eliminate CSA within our fellowship and the 2x2 ministry. Those who commit CSA or KNOW about and NOT to report know they will go to prison.
Plenty of the apostles went to prison instead of following the laws of the world. The Bible contradicts mandatory reporting laws, this policy, and similar ones like it. "Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses." 1 Tim5:19 Will faithful 2x2s be.willing to go to prison for following the Biblically mandated ignoring of accusations against elders? Or will they bow to the pressures of the worldly authorities?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 11:47:15 GMT -5
This is good that the workers, the church elders, and back up elders and the friends are AWEAR of these things so they KNOW where are the boundary when they are around the children for their safety around the adults. Children have rights too, you know.
This policy must pass out, read and sign to all the churches of God around the world. This is one of the ways to eliminate CSA within our fellowship and the 2x2 ministry. Those who commit CSA or KNOW about and NOT to report know they will go to prison.
Plenty of the apostles went to prison instead of following the laws of the world. The Bible contradicts mandatory reporting laws, this policy, and similar ones like it. "Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses." 1 Tim5:19 Will faithful 2x2s be.willing to go to prison for following the Biblically mandated ignoring of accusations against elders? Or will they bow to the pressures of the worldly authorities? key word in that verse....unless
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 29, 2019 11:54:53 GMT -5
Plenty of the apostles went to prison instead of following the laws of the world. The Bible contradicts mandatory reporting laws, this policy, and similar ones like it. "Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses." 1 Tim5:19 Will faithful 2x2s be.willing to go to prison for following the Biblically mandated ignoring of accusations against elders? Or will they bow to the pressures of the worldly authorities? key word in that verse....unless Most of these cases have started with only one witness/victim. The worldlings say you should report at that point. The Bible says you should ignore it until there are two or three witnesses.
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Post by nathan on Jul 29, 2019 12:36:28 GMT -5
They wanted to cover up for their CSA worker buddies! God wants them to STOP from hurting the children, God works in mysterious ways and NOW they CAN'T cover up for their buddies anymore or they will go to JAIL with their guilty buddies. Remember, Jerome F. and his companion almost go to jail for NOT reporting a CSA worker from one of the workers on their staff awhile back. You really think they are all "buddies" with sexual predators??? Our human nature abhors those who prey on children. Even the most hardened criminals in prison hate and Target those who have committed these types of crimes. If you read the Bible, you will see that the character of God overcomes human nature and enables the followers of the Lord to commit the most atrocious acts. Remember how the Israelites wanted to spare noncombatant women and children during times of war? Instead, Moses passed along God's orders: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17-18 ** Their Buddies! I meant they were co-workers together as preachers so they covered up for each others. They did NOT understand the traumatic experiences left long lasting scars like PSTD ingrain in the victims memories for yrs to come! The life force was taken out of their bodies now they just have the shell/bodies. They need CSA professional doctors and God to restore the life force back into their lives.
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Post by nathan on Jul 29, 2019 12:56:43 GMT -5
key word in that verse....unless Most of these cases have started with only one witness/victim. The worldlings say you should report at that point. The Bible says you should ignore it until there are two or three witnesses. ** You better check with the law in each state or country about need to have Two witnesses or you might go to prison before you get the second Witness to testify.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 14:19:36 GMT -5
Post above by Openingact. "Fortunately, religious doctrine can be used to resolve the discrepancy.
They are simultaneously both fully registered and unregistered. Kind of like the Trinity".
Only 2x2 doctrine can achieve that.
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Post by Grant on Jul 29, 2019 16:05:31 GMT -5
You really think they are all "buddies" with sexual predators??? Our human nature abhors those who prey on children. Even the most hardened criminals in prison hate and Target those who have committed these types of crimes. If you read the Bible, you will see that the character of God overcomes human nature and enables the followers of the Lord to commit the most atrocious acts. Remember how the Israelites wanted to spare noncombatant women and children during times of war? Instead, Moses passed along God's orders: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31:17-18 ** Their Buddies! I meant they were co-workers together as preachers so they covered up for each others. They did NOT understand the traumatic experiences left long lasting scars like PSTD ingrain in the victims memories for yrs to come! The life force was taken out of their bodies now they just have the shell/bodies. They need CSA professional doctors and God to restore the life force back into their lives. It's PTSD, Nathan.
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Post by nathan on Jul 29, 2019 16:33:59 GMT -5
** Their Buddies! I meant they were co-workers together as preachers so they covered up for each others. They did NOT understand the traumatic experiences left long lasting scars like PSTD ingrain in the victims memories for yrs to come! The life force was taken out of their bodies now they just have the shell/bodies. They need CSA professional doctors and God to restore the life force back into their lives. It's PTSD, Nathan. Yea, something like that.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 29, 2019 19:17:37 GMT -5
Nobody. I did it Myself and with some of the friends help, we try to educate and warn and expose CSA within my church for 20 yrs. Do I need your permission to discuss about MY Church CSA? Nathan,you are no SPOKESPERSON for the 2x2 Church!you just don't know when to SHUT UP....you think you know it all!I am surprised they haven't given you the boot yet?
If you claim to know about victims of CSA why don't you do something about it?...then you are just as guilty as the others
breakfree exactly right !! But some people like to think they know it all !
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Post by bgm on Jul 29, 2019 22:50:21 GMT -5
These are good guidelines. Great to see. For some people, this is common sense but others do benefit to see guidelines spelled out. Children in Australia are safer today.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 30, 2019 3:01:49 GMT -5
key word in that verse....unless Most of these cases have started with only one witness/victim. The worldlings say you should report at that point. The Bible says you should ignore it until there are two or three witnesses. Sadly, there is normally only the one victim/witness. This is why it is difficult to successfully prosecute sometimes. If one was to follow that edict to the letter, there would be more victims, because the perpetrators would exploit it. They are evil, cunning, and deceitful, irrespective of what psychological conditions cause them to offend in the first place.
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