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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 19, 2006 1:22:48 GMT -5
Let us wait and see..... about the attacks on Alison... No twisting... just my experience from this board. From your experience, what personal attacks have occured on this board?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 19, 2006 1:31:17 GMT -5
It may be the case that some will attack Alison. But so far two people (I'm one of them) have merely made observations based on a comment of Alison's. But I cannot see that anyone has attacked her.
Does you calling me naive qualify as "attacking"?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 19, 2006 1:32:51 GMT -5
From your experience, what personal attacks have occured on this board? You got to be kidding..... greg lee?? Do you think the readers are blind? You've been reading and posting here for a long long long time... and you're telling me that you have NOT read one personal attack post on this message board? Yes or No. Oh nevermind, nathan barker. No games tonight. I already watched yours with Rob. That was enough.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 19, 2006 1:58:18 GMT -5
Oh nevermind, nathan barker. No games tonight. I already watched yours with Rob. That was enough. Yes, the readers KNOW the kind of hide and seek games you played too, greg lee. « Last Edit: Today at 2:55am by Nathan9 »
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Post by Alison on Jun 19, 2006 9:08:24 GMT -5
Rob, and others: I see after I had to disengage last night, a flurry of comments was directed at me. Let me make one last statement, before leaving this forum (permanently---I have much better things to do than waste my time here). First, as far as losing credibility.....I have as much as any of you. We all are entitled to our own beliefs, ideas and opinions. From my stand point, none of you have any credibility. Anyhow, Rob, concerning what you posted last night, you are right. There are differing beliefs, even within the truth, amongst people within this fellowhship. The idea that so many of you have latched onto, regarding whether people believe we're the only ones who are saved, is a very "old school" idea. MOST people I know, in this fellowship do not believe this. We recognize that only God knows the hearts, and salvation is a personal relationship, therefore, I believe, as do others, that not only are there those who are saved who are NOT a part of our fellowship, there are also those, who are NOT who are currently within this fellowhsip. This isn't about people. I choose to continue in this way, because I believe in the bible, I believe in the ministry Jesus established, I believe in the foundation Jesus established for His church, and as of yet, I haven't found anything else that more closely resembles what I read in the bible. Having said that, I also should mention again, that I have been to several other churches, which most people who are a part of this faith, have not. I can tell you that I have a lot of difficulty understanding how some of these churches justify certain things that are quite obviously against scripture. In addition to having had the opportunity to attend other churches, and live with someone who is part of one, I also have a father-in-law who is a minister of the American Baptist Church. Because of this, I have had more insight than a lot of people (even people who attend other churches), for example, I know that it is a common practice for ministers to purchase their sermons, or use someone else's sermon as their own. I know that boards at churches have fired ministers simply because they thought they were too old to reach the younger crowd anymore. I could go on and on. I have been PLENTY exposed to other options, I sat in a crowd of 600 people last year from my husbands church, listening to a speaker tell everyone, that if they aren't tithing at LEAST ten percent, they aren't Christians, and don't really love the Lord. I have difficulty finding anywhere in the new testament, anything that would back that up. So I choose with my eyes WIDE OPEN. HOWEVER, this doesn't mean that because I don't agree with the practices and philosophies of other churches, that I feel that people are only saved by being a part of this way. God does want us to have fellowship with others who love him, and I choose to do that in a way that I feel most closely resembles the bible. I further believe, that I could attend meetings for the rest of my life, and never really have a relationship with God. It isn't "meeting" that is my salvation. Meeting is the place I have fellowhsip with others, and worship on Sunday morning. My salvation occurs privately, as does everyones. So now you have some information to base your statement that you "know all you need to know" about me. You really don't. Regardless of what we all believe, I have a hard time believing that these types of discussions are very helpful to anyone. Whatever any of us believe or think, we can find someone to agree with us. All that matters is if God agrees with us, and I don't really feel like I need anyone else's approval. Thanks for the interesting discussion folks.......
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Post by Rob O on Jun 19, 2006 9:25:34 GMT -5
Thanks for confirming what I thought.
Take care, Alison.
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Post by T in KS on Jun 19, 2006 9:54:25 GMT -5
Rob, and others: I see after I had to disengage last night, a flurry of comments was directed at me. Let me make one last statement, before leaving this forum (permanently---I have much better things to do than waste my time here). First, as far as losing credibility.....I have as much as any of you. We all are entitled to our own beliefs, ideas and opinions. Yes, *ALL*. This is a two-way street. Really? Strange! You say you live in the midwest. Well, so do I, and I don't see much of what you claim to see. As for what others believe, have you asked them directly? Have you? I ask because I have, and I've found that about 3 of 4 think Truth is the only way. Two years ago, I got pulled aside for "a bit of a talkin to" about my prayer... seems some in my meeting were concerned about a line I uttered in my prayers... "Lord may your presence be felt here and in all other places of worship today." Old-school huh? I would rather that I agree with God. Thank you.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 19, 2006 11:17:08 GMT -5
I'm intrigued as to why Alison would want to prevent the free and open exchange of ideas.
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Post by Simple on Jun 19, 2006 16:44:08 GMT -5
RE Simple: Preach themselves? They preach the good news of the gospel. The gospel of Jesus. I'm very curious about your background....do you have any background in this fellowship, yourself? I have heard many others point me to God and heaven all my life. How is your group special? I have read your testimony in your earlier post, you seem like a well trained 2x2. You yourself bear witness to the 2x2's, the workers, and yourself. What about God, Jesus and the Truth? What has God done for you that he hasn't done to a Baptist? What has your spiritual experiences been? Please tell me all about your worship to God in Spirit and Truth. What are you a witness too? A group of people, or God?
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Post by Jessi on Jun 19, 2006 17:25:10 GMT -5
Alison wrote: have been PLENTY exposed to other options, I sat in a crowd of 600 people last year from my husbands church, listening to a speaker tell everyone, that if they aren't tithing at LEAST ten percent, they aren't Christians, and don't really love the Lord.
I WONDER WHAT CHURCH IT WAS. I WOULD WANT TO GET A TAPE (THEY DO THAT IN CHURCHES, BUT NOT IN CULTS) AND LISTEN TO EVERY WORD. ALTHOUGH, I KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS REEL TO REEL OOOLD TAPES OF CONVENTIONS. HMMMMM.
Christ's, Jessi
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Post by Bryanfromalaska on Jun 19, 2006 17:29:47 GMT -5
They were dead right while being dead wrong...
Those who love the lord WILL give and WILL give with JOY!
But to put a 'rule' on it such as what you talked about seems a bit leglistic to me...
When asked at our fellowship, it's upheld that 10% is a good place to start...
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Post by Amen on Jun 19, 2006 17:39:59 GMT -5
Amen Alison
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Post by About Alison on Jun 19, 2006 22:42:38 GMT -5
Alison... yet another drive-by-poster
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Post by Happy Feet on Jun 20, 2006 0:12:00 GMT -5
Alison wrote: I believe in the ministry Jesus established.
Jesus did not establish this ministry nor is the workers ministry remotely like the ministry Jesus established. The workers ministry was established by William Irvine who chose to try and copy a few things that Jesus did. Firstly. I see mostly women workers in this group and Jesus did not choose women. How is that remotely like the ministry Jesus established?
Also, he said they would heal the sick, etc... but the workers do not believe these things are for today. etc, etc... Jesus established his church, he did not establish a ministry. He did not come to establish a ministry, he came to die on the Cross. We could never have a ministry like Jesus. We have no idea what it means to live in a country like Israel and less so what life was like in Jesus day. If we are to copy his ministry women would certainly not be preaching. HAve an idea of how middle east women live today and the role of Israeli women in public life. They would certainly have been covered. Living in Israel is like living in a different world for those of you who have not been there. There was no resemblance in the day and time we live in today.
The foundation for the church Jesus established was not a ministry. Jesus is the foundation, not a ministry.
Most people in your church do believe that they are the only ones saved and that the workers are the only true servants of God. That has not changed. Just listen to the workers preaching. Some say, there may be others saved in churches we don't know. The belief is that there are not but that there might be. Certainly other churches are not seen as preaching the true Gospel like the workers.
What is wrong with using other's sermons? Many preach from the Bible too, that's full of other's writings. Is that wrong? The workers could do well to preach some meat from others sermons. They offer nothing fresh.
I have no problem with hearing about giving money. Those in meetings have a problem but I have no problem.
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