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Post by Sorrowful on Jun 16, 2006 11:59:12 GMT -5
I read this a few days ago in another thread and it has really stuck with me since to the point where I feel moved to pray and encourage others to pray for those that are still unknowingly in the bondage of man. (Anna I hope you don't mind.)
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Post by caring on Jun 16, 2006 12:04:36 GMT -5
I felt that way too.
I found myself praying. I found myself crying. I found myself begging God, to reveal His Truth and to give strength to those afraid.
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Post by lloydswanson on Jun 16, 2006 14:24:19 GMT -5
houdini was in bondage we should pray for him
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 16, 2006 14:27:18 GMT -5
Hoping Lloyd removes or edits his post.
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Post by Lol on Jun 16, 2006 20:14:34 GMT -5
Lol, Lloyd. That was pretty funny.
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Post by Gods will on Jun 16, 2006 20:29:25 GMT -5
Lol, Lloyd. That was pretty funny. If God has placed someone in bondage why should we ask God to change his mind? He should know the circumstances better than we do and if He has the person in bondage there must be a reason. Who are we to question his will?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 16, 2006 20:49:10 GMT -5
If God has placed someone in bondage why should we ask God to change his mind? He should know the circumstances better than we do and if He has the person in bondage there must be a reason. Who are we to question his will? Who are we to not question the will of man?
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Post by Jessi on Jun 16, 2006 21:56:18 GMT -5
If we pray and read the Bible, we discover the attributes of God. When we know Him, we know what His will is.
Sometimes, he wants us to pray so he can give us what it is we need (He knows what we need before we ask), but praying helps us to know His will.
I don't see enough about prayer on this website. Let's all pray for the Freedom of the Lord Christ to come to the hearts and minds of the elect in the 2x2s. Many are called, but few are chosen.
Lord God, mighty Sovereign One in Heaven, Your Name is above ALL NAMES and you are righteous and holy and just, Lord God. We lift up to your mighty Hand all those in the F&W, Lord, you know whose are yours. We lift them up and ask you to protect them, to keep them from the evil one until your Holy Spirit comes and touches their hearts.
I come before you, asking you to show me my sin so I can repent and be forgiven and pray righteous prayers to you without hinderance for myself and my fellow man. Lord, for those who have gotten out and are hurting and sad and lonely - I was there only a couple of years ago. Searching and crying out to everyone except you. Then finally, in your sovereign grace, you drew me to yourself and changed my heart and opened my eyes.
Lord, these are my people and I love them and I cry for them every day. My mother, Lord Jesus God is one of them - I want for her to be one of yours as I am. Help me, Lord, to understand your will and not mine. But I know that whatever you do, you are right and I surrender all to you.
Oh, God, let your Holy Spirit find them searching and seeking for You, so finally they can feel the freedom of seeing their sin nailed to your Holy Cross. Thank you, Father, for your mercy and your grace in saving any, who did nothing to deserve this. Thank you that some get mercy and some get justice and no one gets injustice because you are just and mighty God. For the elect in the 2x2s, keep them in your sight and in your hand, Lord, and draw them to yourself.
To you, Most High, be all power and honor and Glory Forever. Amen.
Yours, Lord God, Forever Jessi
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Post by Insomnia girl on Jun 17, 2006 23:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by Loyd oberserver on Jun 18, 2006 0:17:23 GMT -5
Houdini Lloyd needs to lose weight
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Post by Evan on Jun 18, 2006 14:26:47 GMT -5
I ask: If God has moved an individual to assist another out of bondage why should we ask God to change his mind?This is an excellent response to all of the so-called [in or out] Christians on this board who seem to think that either God doesn't have disciples or discipleship is always someone else's job. These people are as much to blame as anybody else when it comes to the current state of affairs in "Truth".
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 18, 2006 14:51:31 GMT -5
I would say the greatest help to anyone in bondage is to pray for them. Pray that God will reveal to them they are in bondage. You cant escape if you honestly dont feel it
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Post by Jessi on Jun 18, 2006 21:31:09 GMT -5
That's true, IG, you never know when the Lord will regenerate a heart and the gospel call goes out to all. The Lord knows who are His. We must carry out our Lord's Great Commission by praying and telling people the truth. God will do the rest!
King Jesus Lives! Jessi
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Post by Alison on Jun 18, 2006 22:02:53 GMT -5
I am a professing woman, in the "truth". I looked at all these web sites ten years ago, in my late teens, then again five years ago, now again. You know what? Everyone is still hashing out the same stuff over and over. What I find truly interesting, is that my husband, who is not professing and very involved in his church, has left several churches over the course of our marriage due to deciding he didn't like the philosophy, doctorine, way of doing things, etc., but at no point, when he left one of these churches, did he feel the need to convince others that everyone else should follow suit. Why are you all so interested in trying to get others to leave this faith....just a little more FYI, my husband has also looked at all the websites about the truth, as did an atheist friend of his, and both had the same conclusion "sour grapes". MOVE ON! If you would pour half the energy and time that most of you obviously spend on the internet, hashing out all this, on meaningful things, like serving the Lord, and helping out your own little communities, we would all be living in a much better world. Oh, and one other thing....I'm not blind....I've attended many other churches with my husband. I'm choosing my way, and disagree with nearly everything you post about our fellowship. I have never once tried to convince anyone that what I believe and follow is right for them, nor does my husband, and friends from his church try to convince me to leave my church of choosing. My guess is that it's easier to throw all of your energy and time into attacking others for how they live, than to focus on your own lives.......
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Post by Simple on Jun 18, 2006 22:21:29 GMT -5
I am a professing woman, in the "truth". I looked at all these web sites ten years ago, in my late teens, then again five years ago, now again. You know what? Everyone is still hashing out the same stuff over and over. What I find truly interesting, is that my husband, who is not professing and very involved in his church, has left several churches over the course of our marriage due to deciding he didn't like the philosophy, doctorine, way of doing things, etc., but at no point, when he left one of these churches, did he feel the need to convince others that everyone else should follow suit. Why are you all so interested in trying to get others to leave this faith....just a little more FYI, my husband has also looked at all the websites about the truth, as did an atheist friend of his, and both had the same conclusion "sour grapes". MOVE ON! If you would pour half the energy and time that most of you obviously spend on the internet, hashing out all this, on meaningful things, like serving the Lord, and helping out your own little communities, we would all be living in a much better world. Oh, and one other thing....I'm not blind....I've attended many other churches with my husband. I'm choosing my way, and disagree with nearly everything you post about our fellowship. I have never once tried to convince anyone that what I believe and follow is right for them, nor does my husband, and friends from his church try to convince me to leave my church of choosing. My guess is that it's easier to throw all of your energy and time into attacking others for how they live, than to focus on your own lives....... So is that why the workers do it?
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Post by Alison on Jun 18, 2006 22:29:36 GMT -5
Is that why the workers do it? Do what? Preach the gospel to people who WANT to hear it?
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Post by Simple on Jun 18, 2006 22:41:15 GMT -5
Is that why the workers do it? Do what? Preach the gospel to people who WANT to hear it? Don't they preach themselves? Aren't they the "only" right ones?
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Post by Alison on Jun 18, 2006 22:45:00 GMT -5
RE Simple: Preach themselves? They preach the good news of the gospel. The gospel of Jesus. I'm very curious about your background....do you have any background in this fellowship, yourself?
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Post by Rob O on Jun 18, 2006 22:47:18 GMT -5
Alison,
What area of the world do you live in?
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Post by Alison on Jun 18, 2006 22:50:39 GMT -5
The Midwestern U.S. ..........
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Post by Rob O on Jun 18, 2006 23:01:46 GMT -5
Alison,
I ask because it is apparent that there are substantial differences in the beliefs of the group across locations. Your description of what you say the workers preach there (and I have no reason to not believe you) is not the same as what the workers preach here - east coast of Australia.
And I have also learnt that "They preach the good news of the gospel. The gospel of Jesus. " does not always mean the same thing to everybody. To one person it could mean:
"The gospel of grace by which God saves through faith in what Jesus has achieved"
...and to another it means...
"The ministry of the workers and the meeting in the home"
...and on and on.
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Post by Alison on Jun 18, 2006 23:03:05 GMT -5
Nathan 9, You have a very comprehensive, and sound website.
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Post by moving on on Jun 18, 2006 23:08:40 GMT -5
I am a professing woman, in the "truth". I looked at all these web sites ten years ago, in my late teens, then again five years ago, now again. You know what? Everyone is still hashing out the same stuff over and over. What I find truly interesting, is that my husband, who is not professing and very involved in his church, has left several churches over the course of our marriage due to deciding he didn't like the philosophy, doctorine, way of doing things, etc., but at no point, when he left one of these churches, did he feel the need to convince others that everyone else should follow suit. Why are you all so interested in trying to get others to leave this faith....just a little more FYI, my husband has also looked at all the websites about the truth, as did an atheist friend of his, and both had the same conclusion "sour grapes". MOVE ON! If you would pour half the energy and time that most of you obviously spend on the internet, hashing out all this, on meaningful things, like serving the Lord, and helping out your own little communities, we would all be living in a much better world. Oh, and one other thing....I'm not blind....I've attended many other churches with my husband. I'm choosing my way, and disagree with nearly everything you post about our fellowship. I have never once tried to convince anyone that what I believe and follow is right for them, nor does my husband, and friends from his church try to convince me to leave my church of choosing. My guess is that it's easier to throw all of your energy and time into attacking others for how they live, than to focus on your own lives....... If people are still saying the same things they were 10 years ago, don't you think it is time that the workers changed these things. They are obviously very important things. Do you do other things besides go to meetings or read your Bible or are there other things in life which one must do as well. That is what writing on these boards is, another thing in life that some people do. For some it is an important aspect of their Christan life to share with others. Why should we stop talking with others about the things that concern us in this life. My Bible tells me there is a time and season for everything. MAybe your husband goes to a Christian church and maybe that is the reason he does not speak out against a church when he leaves it. Does your husband feel that he is not saved if he leaves one church and go to another. That is the difference. The workers group is not just a church. If someone leaves they are told that they are going to hell. The workers church believes that they are the only ones saved. They preach a false Gospel. Your husband no doubt has not been deeply involved in your group, he wasn't born and raised in it, and to what may appear to be insignificant to him is of great signifiance to others who know the control, false doctrine, deception regarding the history etc. has had on people's lives. There are some church groups that people should be warned about, there are some groups, period that people should be warned about. I am concerned for others. If someone was sexually abusing a child would you say that others should be warned about him or should we all just keep quiet and move on? Some believe we should not just keep quiet about this group. It is important to us, and it is important to God that the true Gospel be taught.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 18, 2006 23:11:48 GMT -5
This tells me everything I need to know.
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Post by ghostman on Jun 18, 2006 23:25:00 GMT -5
Nathan 9, You have a very comprehensive, and sound website. oops! Alison, you just lost major credibility with many on this board! LOL!
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Post by ghostman on Jun 18, 2006 23:25:48 GMT -5
You mean you know everything about Alison by her comment about my website? Pretty much! LOL!
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Post by Rob O on Jun 18, 2006 23:26:42 GMT -5
You mean you know everything about Alison by her comment about my website? Pretty much! LOL! Amen. Ps. Well, everything relevant to this forum anyway.
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Post by ghostman on Jun 19, 2006 1:00:24 GMT -5
hahahahahahahahaha...... you made my day too! ghostman. Keep on sharing your experience, Alison. Don't let some of these people scare you away! Speak the truth with love then you have nothing to worry about. They will attack you personally... eventually. You already know this from reading these boards 10 yrs ago. There is no attempt to scare her away. There was no attempt to not have her speak the truth. There was no attack on her person. Here is another example of Nathan twisting the truth!
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