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Post by las logged out on Jul 19, 2006 15:15:27 GMT -5
I think the following was very rude of william Irvine To interrupt John Long at that convention when he was having his sermon...copy & paste below A man by the name of Edward Cooney, an itinerant salesman who "made a habit of speaking about Eternal things to his customers," met William Irvine some time later. In 1901, he, too, decided to join Irvine's followers. Eddie exhibited great charisma as a preacher and was very influential in the spread of what we now call "The Truth." Some of us have heard the name Eddie Cooney all our lives; our parents knew Eddie before he was ousted from "The Truth." Some older friends today still remember him. The names of the first workers are familiar to some of us- William Carroll, Jack Carroll, William Gill, George Walker, Irvine Weir. The group took no name, but referred to themselves as "Tramp Preachers," "Go-Preachers," and to their method as "the Jesus Way." They were also known as "Dippers," "Cooneyites," "Irvinites," the "Damnation Army," (because they constantly damned all churches to hell) and later,"the Black Stocking Gang." Irvine and his followers revolted bitterly against everything associated with the traditional denominations and declared that they were doing things "the Jesus way." In their zeal, they seemingly were unaware that they were actually drawing attention to themselves, rather than to Christ.
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Post by las logged out on Jul 19, 2006 15:17:57 GMT -5
Sorry got the wrong copy & paste here is the right one below
Irvine was their leader. He was dynamic and forceful, but as time went on, friction increased among the overseers and in particular, with Irvine. Once, as a younger worker (John Long) was preaching about Noah and the ark from the platform at Crocknacrieve, Irvine called out to him,"John, tell them there were no clergy in the ark." John was thrown off by this interruption and concluded his sermon hastily. Irvine then denounced him in front of the crowd, saying that John was never "convinced that the clergy were wrong and there has always been a holding back in him. For years he has been dragging his feet on the ground to hinder our going on. Let him prove whether God will be with him as He has been with us. All those stand up who believe that John Wesley is in Hell!" Nearly all stood up. Those who remained seated provoked Irvine to wrath, and he made uncomplimentary remarks about them. He also denounced almost all the workers except one or two because they had "given away too much to fleshly influences" and were "merely acting the hypocrite."
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Post by searching on Jul 19, 2006 15:26:07 GMT -5
wow..... weird... cant imagine that happening at a convention now! to think he started it all :S
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Post by las logged out on Jul 19, 2006 17:16:37 GMT -5
It's amazing how long the deception has went on since 6-9 early workers caught on to this heresy fast and left
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Nichole M
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Post by Nichole M on Jul 21, 2006 0:36:53 GMT -5
Sorry got the wrong copy & paste here is the right one below Irvine was their leader. He was dynamic and forceful, but as time went on, friction increased among the overseers and in particular, with Irvine. Once, as a younger worker (John Long) was preaching about Noah and the ark from the platform at Crocknacrieve, Irvine called out to him,"John, tell them there were no clergy in the ark." John was thrown off by this interruption and concluded his sermon hastily. Irvine then denounced him in front of the crowd, saying that John was never "convinced that the clergy were wrong and there has always been a holding back in him. For years he has been dragging his feet on the ground to hinder our going on. Let him prove whether God will be with him as He has been with us. All those stand up who believe that John Wesley is in Hell!" Nearly all stood up. Those who remained seated provoked Irvine to wrath, and he made uncomplimentary remarks about them. He also denounced almost all the workers except one or two because they had "given away too much to fleshly influences" and were "merely acting the hypocrite." Just wondering is John Long and John Wesley the same person? And where did you get this information??? Nichole
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 21, 2006 0:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by las logged out on Jul 21, 2006 8:15:41 GMT -5
Sorry got the wrong copy & paste here is the right one below Irvine was their leader. He was dynamic and forceful, but as time went on, friction increased among the overseers and in particular, with Irvine. Once, as a younger worker (John Long) was preaching about Noah and the ark from the platform at Crocknacrieve, Irvine called out to him,"John, tell them there were no clergy in the ark." John was thrown off by this interruption and concluded his sermon hastily. Irvine then denounced him in front of the crowd, saying that John was never "convinced that the clergy were wrong and there has always been a holding back in him. For years he has been dragging his feet on the ground to hinder our going on. Let him prove whether God will be with him as He has been with us. All those stand up who believe that John Wesley is in Hell!" Nearly all stood up. Those who remained seated provoked Irvine to wrath, and he made uncomplimentary remarks about them. He also denounced almost all the workers except one or two because they had "given away too much to fleshly influences" and were "merely acting the hypocrite." Just wondering is John Long and John Wesley the same person? And where did you get this information??? Nichole I got the info from the 1997 letter by Jean Duddley John Wesley I believe is the son of the father that was part in the reformation Church..John Long was william Irvines first companion
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Post by turned out on Jul 21, 2006 14:37:32 GMT -5
Irvine thought he was their leader, [until they didn't listen to him anymore] . He also denounced almost all the workers except one or two ..., [they seemed to also denounce Irvine for some of his wrong ideas, ]
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Post by las logged out on Jul 23, 2006 8:33:53 GMT -5
Irvine thought he was their leader, [until they didn't listen to him anymore] . He also denounced almost all the workers except one or two ..., [they seemed to also denounce Irvine for some of his wrong ideas, ] So tell me what 2x2s are founded upon & does rejecting William Irvine and hiding history make things right
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