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Post by CherieKropp on Jan 10, 2018 10:38:37 GMT -5
1 Timothy 2:1-3 (KJV) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; It is interesting that...altho Paul exhorts Christians to pray for one's rulers, Hymns Old & New doesnt include any patriotic songs nor national anthems. Seems having a patriotic song in their hymnal showing loyalty to one's government or ruler would be helpful in that it would provide proof that the 2x2 Sect is not anti-government, which sometimes needful, especially in wartimes. In 1940 Jack Carroll wrote a statement giving their stand on patriotism, copy shown in TTT Photo Gallery. Among other things, he encouraged supporting the Red Cross. Some workers include a flag on their Gospel Meeting invitations. Nor does Hymns Old & New include religious songs sometimes referred to as Christmas Carols. NOTE: Most Christian denomination hymnals include both patriotic and religious Christmas carols... |
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Post by nathan on Jan 10, 2018 11:42:41 GMT -5
Christmas= Christ MASS= Romans Catholic pagans rituals.
Why would any true believers want pagan god birthday Dec, 25th, x-mast trees, singing Carroll hymns, to associate as Jesus birth when nobody knows which day or month he was born.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 12:10:10 GMT -5
1 Timothy 2:1-3 (KJV) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; It is interesting that...altho Paul exhorts Christians to pray for one's rulers, Hymns Old & New doesnt include any patriotic songs nor national anthems. Seems having a patriotic song in their hymnal showing loyalty to one's government or ruler would be helpful in that it would provide proof that the 2x2 Sect is not anti-government, which sometimes needful, especially in wartimes. In 1940 Jack Carroll wrote a statement giving their stand on patriotism, copy shown in TTT Photo Gallery. Among other things, he encouraged supporting the Red Cross. Some workers include a flag on their Gospel Meeting invitations. Nor does Hymns Old & New include religious songs sometimes referred to as Christmas Carols. NOTE: Most Christian denomination hymnals include both patriotic and religious Christmas carols... most conventions fly a flag and alot of homes where meetings are held have a flag too... |
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Post by Grant on Jan 10, 2018 12:31:26 GMT -5
Christmas= Christ MASS= Romans Catholic pagans rituals. Why would any true believers want pagan god birthday Dec, 25th, x-mast trees, singing Carroll hymns, to associate as Jesus birth when nobody knows which day or month he was born. That's just it. We don't know what day he was born so why not choose a day or would you prefer that the world did not acknowledge Jesus having been born. You're sounding like a pagan who wants to wipe out Christmas because of the Christ. How could a Christian not want the world to acknowledge the birth of Jesus. Most know it's not really his birthday but a day which we choose to acknowledge it. Does it matter what day we choose. What better day than to take a pagan one to turn it into a Christian one. Do you want pagans to have their day and Christians to have another day? Christmas is a good opportunity to tell the world about Jesus to people who may otherwise never have the opportunity to hear. You hear the carols in shopping malls and everywhere which gets the word out there. |
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Post by blandie on Jan 10, 2018 12:52:29 GMT -5
I think maybe the lack of patriotic type songs is understandable since the hymn book is used in more than just one country.
Can't explain the lack of christmas carols tho and its not about tying it to some pagan god - theres nothing that limits celebration of the nativity to december 25 after all. Despite speculations that have been bandied around about trying to tie the dec 25 date to saturn or sol or some other pagan feast it was just as likely chosen because it fit with other dates like annunciation or epiphany or just because it happened to be an available day in the liturgical kalendar - every day of the year has a 'mass' or vigil - commemoration of one saint or event or another and some have multiple events attached to them. Churches have had christmas attached to other dates too - today it is also celebrated from january 6-19 in some. Nothing at all wrong with celebrating jesus's birth in song no matter what the day - notwithstanding silly pretenses about the day or trees or other side issues.
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Post by nathan on Jan 10, 2018 13:33:28 GMT -5
Christmas= Christ MASS= Romans Catholic pagans rituals. Why would any true believers want pagan god birthday Dec, 25th, x-mast trees, singing Carroll hymns, to associate as Jesus birth when nobody knows which day or month he was born. That's just it. We don't know what day he was born so why not choose a day or would you prefer that the world did not acknowledge Jesus having been born. You're sounding like a pagan who wants to wipe out Christmas because of the Christ. How could a Christian not want the world to acknowledge the birth of Jesus. Most know it's not really his birthday but a day which we choose to acknowledge it. Does it matter what day we choose. What better day than to take a pagan one to turn it into a Christian one. Do you want pagans to have their day and Christians to have another day? Christmas is a good opportunity to tell the world about Jesus to people who may otherwise never have the opportunity to. You hear the carols in shopping malls and everywhere which gets the word out there. *** the early church Christians celebrated and remembered Jesus birth, life, and resurrection every 1st day of the week= Sunday with The Godhead and with one another. The 2x2 agree we keep the early church teachings and not the RCC one day Dec. 25th pagan God birthday as Jesus birthday. As Christians we are to tell the world about Jesus every day. |
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Post by Grant on Jan 10, 2018 13:49:36 GMT -5
I wonder why the birth of Jesus was important in the Bible and they travelled afar and brought gifts if it was not important.
People in meetings were told not to share their faith but just to invite people to meeting to hear the workers. We were told not to cast our pearls before swine.
Sunday morning meeting is not about celebrating the birth of Jesus. The emblems is His death.
You think it is fine to keep the Catholic Trinity and acknowledge the Catholic fathers. For me, Christmas is one of the best ways to tell the world about Jesus.
Why have conventions and special meetings, you have them every week so why do you need these special days?
The Jehovah Witnesses have them and Keswick has then and they are false churches according to you guys so why follow what false churches do.
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Post by nathan on Jan 10, 2018 14:21:01 GMT -5
The friends laid a lot of the ground workers before people come to hear the workers gospel.
Many of them already made up their minds believing in the words/teachings of the friends be for they hear the workers.
Every Sunday morning, before we partake the emblems we talks about Jesus life, and teachings.
You can have your X-mass and we have our conventions and special meetings.
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Post by snow on Jan 10, 2018 15:36:21 GMT -5
Christmas= Christ MASS= Romans Catholic pagans rituals. Why would any true believers want pagan god birthday Dec, 25th, x-mast trees, singing Carroll hymns, to associate as Jesus birth when nobody knows which day or month he was born. The whole theme of the Christ is pagan Nathan. There were many 'Christ' before the Christian Christ was born. And, yes I know, you think that Jesus was around from the beginning. |
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Post by nathan on Jan 10, 2018 16:44:19 GMT -5
Christmas= Christ MASS= Romans Catholic pagans rituals. Why would any true believers want pagan god birthday Dec, 25th, x-mast trees, singing Carroll hymns, to associate as Jesus birth when nobody knows which day or month he was born. The whole theme of the Christ is pagan Nathan. There were many 'Christ' before the Christian Christ was born. And, yes I know, you think that Jesus was around from the beginning.
Christ exists before the foundation of the world. He was part of the Godhead, the Creator of the Universe and all visible and invisible which we can't see with the humans eyes. Christ entered the world when He was begotten by the Father, the Holy Spirit, and Mary as the Son of man and the son of God, Jesus... 2000 years ago. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 10, 2018 20:20:15 GMT -5
1 Timothy 2:1-3 (KJV) I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; It is interesting that...altho Paul exhorts Christians to pray for one's rulers, Hymns Old & New doesnt include any patriotic songs nor national anthems. Seems having a patriotic song in their hymnal showing loyalty to one's government or ruler would be helpful in that it would provide proof that the 2x2 Sect is not anti-government, which sometimes needful, especially in wartimes. In 1940 Jack Carroll wrote a statement giving their stand on patriotism, copy shown in TTT Photo Gallery. Among other things, he encouraged supporting the Red Cross. Some workers include a flag on their Gospel Meeting invitations. Nor does Hymns Old & New include religious songs sometimes referred to as Christmas Carols. NOTE: Most Christian denomination hymnals include both patriotic and religious Christmas carols... most conventions fly a flag and alot of homes where meetings are held have a flag too... Not in Australia, @wally ! This is something that I noticed in photos of Conventions in the US, the flag in the dining rooms at Convention, doesn't happen in Australia. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 10, 2018 20:46:43 GMT -5
most conventions fly a flag and alot of homes where meetings are held have a flag too... Not in Australia, @wally ! This is something that I noticed in photos of Conventions in the US, the flag in the dining rooms at Convention, doesn't happen in Australia. It's an American thing, originating in the West Coast jurisdiction as a way to distinguish the F&W from the JW's. I never saw a flag at convention until I was 40 years old, and moved here from the east coast. I wonder if they raise the United Arab Emirates flag at the convention they have there. I can think of a few dozen countries that use the English hymn book that might wonder what is happening if they found the Star Spangled Banner in their hymn books. The reaction of Americans would be precious to see Waltzing Matilda in the book. I find it's largely Americans who believe that "their" patriotism is a religious ritual. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jan 10, 2018 20:56:15 GMT -5
Not in Australia, @wally ! This is something that I noticed in photos of Conventions in the US, the flag in the dining rooms at Convention, doesn't happen in Australia. It's an American thing, originating in the West Coast jurisdiction as a way to distinguish the F&W from the JW's. I never saw a flag at convention until I was 40 years old, and moved here from the east coast. I wonder if they raise the United Arab Emirates flag at the convention they have there. I can think of a few dozen countries that use the English hymn book that might wonder what is happening if they found the Star Spangled Banner in their hymn books. The reaction of Americans would be precious to see Waltzing Matilda in the book. I find it's largely Americans who believe that "their" patriotism is a religious ritual. I think you may have "hit the nail on the head" BobWilliston ! |
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Post by Get off of TMB on Jan 12, 2018 18:21:52 GMT -5
Fading away is really a military hymn.
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