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Post by Yet on Jun 5, 2007 9:55:02 GMT -5
Yet Paul accepted money from the Philippians in Chapter 4.
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Post by Still on Jun 5, 2007 12:06:58 GMT -5
Yet Paul accepted money from the Philippians in Chapter 4. Could be contended that Paul worked to make his own keep and of those with him and not be chargeable to anyone.
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Post by Re hirelings on Jun 5, 2007 12:48:57 GMT -5
Yes, the hireling will charge the listeners for his Gospel services because they don't care or follow the teachings of Jesus. They believe it doesn't matter if they follow Jesus' instructions or not. They do whichever way they want. Hireling has little care for anyone but just themselves.
This is very, very poor biblical hermeneutics. This scripture has absolutely zero to do with money. If you would actually read the passage, Nathan, you will note that EVERYONE is a hireling except one - the one, the only, Good Shepherd, Jesus.
11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Notice it says in vs 12, the shepherd, not a shepherd. In this context Jesus is explaining that there is only one who can be called the shepherd, Jesus himself. All others are hirelings in this example.
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Post by Re Hirelings on Jun 5, 2007 12:51:47 GMT -5
BTW, to his credit, this was explained to me by a worker who felt that the F&Ws misinterpret this scripture.
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Post by So Then on Jun 5, 2007 15:51:17 GMT -5
Could be contended that Paul worked to make his own keep and of those with him and not be chargeable to anyone. This is my understanding: It seemed there were false teachers or apostles who were preaching against Paul's ministry and his apostleship... so Paul did not want to take the saints or believers in Corinthians gifts/money or natural help.... because some of the Corinthians had some doubts about Paul's apostleship...
Paul preached the Gospel and offering his helps without taken the Corinthians' supports for him to let them know he was NOT there to take an advantage of them. So, Paul worked with his own hands when he was there among them so they couldn't say he was abusing his apostleship.
But Paul didn't mind to receive natural supports from the Phillipians Christians and others believers who wanted to help him for the furtherance of the Gospel. Sothen I guess Pastors, ministers other then the 2x2 kind feel it is also correct to receive natural supports from the Christians and others believers who wanted to help them for the furtherance of the Gospel.
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Post by yes he did on Jun 5, 2007 16:17:27 GMT -5
God left His teachings and instructions in the Four Gospels, the book of Acts of the apostles, and many epistles of the apostles in the New Testament. Very true. It's a shame the workers don't follow them.
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Post by Over the top on Jun 5, 2007 16:43:31 GMT -5
;D... Eternity and the Day of Judgement you will find out. ... if I were you be sure you obey Jesus' teachings and the instructions He LEFT for the apostles to follow... then you will be rewarded if "NOT" there will be HELL to pay, weeping and gnashing of teeth throughout Eternity and that is a LOOOOOONG time, there is NO END in sight... Forever.....
So be sure you Obey to the Teaching and follow His instruction very carefully. You have been warned.
At least you're finally being honest about your beliefs. Even though you constantly deny it, you actually believe that a non 2x2 is going to hell. This post proves it. You are so wrong.
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Post by truth4me on Jun 6, 2007 0:32:33 GMT -5
OK, here goes... Eunuch (definition) = 1 : a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace 2 : a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals 3 : one that lacks virility or power Thanks be to Merriam-Webster for this revealing definition, because if the 2x2's really held to this definition of Eunuch, they'd all enlist for the little 'snip' - take the bullets out of the gun, so to speak. I don't want to exclude women from this definition so they would have their tubes tied. That way, it would make it official.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 6, 2007 2:45:07 GMT -5
OK, here goes... Eunuch (definition) = 1 : a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace 2 : a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals 3 : one that lacks virility or power Thanks be to Merriam-Webster for this revealing definition, because if the 2x2's really held to this definition of Eunuch, they'd all enlist for the little 'snip' - take the bullets out of the gun, so to speak. I don't want to exclude women from this definition so they would have their tubes tied. That way, it would make it official. What dictionary are you using? A 1600's one? Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jun 6, 2007 2:48:31 GMT -5
The envelops pass. From the hands of the congregation to the workers hand. After the gospel meetings, during the home visits, when they visit the Sunday meetings, at the special meetings and conventions. And then not to forget the rich benefactors. So without the plate the hand off of cash is the same as collection in any other church with one exception. IT IS ABOVE THE TABLE AND NOT HIDDEN. No some have had terrible problems in their homes and the Hirelings run because they do not want to get involved. They do not care for their flock. They come out like the pharisees to point fingers and that is all. How do you think Jesus and the apostles get their money in the New Testament? Was it through collection plates? Salary? which method do you think the believers give it to them?
Did the church elders gather the money from the congregation and pay each apostle monthly salary?Nathan, I am an hireling. I do my work because I'm paid. If they didn't pay me, then I wouldn't do it. You are a hireling. You make bread because people pay you to. Only Jesus is the Good Shephered. All others are hirelings. Jesus made that clear. Workers are hirelings. Except they do bad work, teaching and doing lies because of willful ignorance. When I left the work people quit giving me money. I was receiving money for the work I was doing. The job as a worker stinks. I'm glad you're out of the work too Nathan. Brad
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Post by hirelings on Aug 23, 2007 16:17:55 GMT -5
~~~ N9) Really.... that is a change. In the past I asked you how much money you get from your congregation monthy and you told us you weren't able to discuss it..... Now you said "NOTHING." hmmmmm.Where do you get money for your foood?
1) Karl wrote: God provides~~~ N9: Wow... may I ask you how does God provide you?2) Paying gas for your car? Same~~~ N9: How? can you tell us how God provide you?3) Money for kids to buy clothes? yet again~~~ N9: How does God provides your kids with clothes?4) Who is making your mortage payments? Don't own a home~~~ N9) So your congregation is providing a place for your family to live, right?5) Auto insurance? I make the payments~~~ N9: Where do you get money to make your auto Insurance? when you don't get paid from your congregation monthly?6) health insurance for your family, Karl? Only the kids have it. God keeps me healthy.~~~ N9) Who is paying for the kids? the congregation. There are some qualitites that you have I admire, Karl..... I do hope you can affort to buy health insurance for you and your wife. These days hospital bills are VERY VERY expensive to pay. 7) Karl wrote: You are inaccurate as to our past discussions about my salary Nathan. I never said that I wasn't able to discuss it. ~~~ N9: Thanks, for your honesty.... So you do get paid by the congregation monthly.... around 30,000 + dollars a year is my guess... am I close?No I do not, and you are not. Karl Most hirelings get paid at least $45,000 or more these days..... What is an hireling anyways?
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