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Post by James on Jul 18, 2017 3:16:15 GMT -5
Dean Bruer preached at Maroota Convention (Sydney) 2017 on Lighthouses and the workers' ministry
As you travel along and look for some of the guides (lighthouses) at night, they have particular characteristics.
One may flash every 10 seconds, another every 14 or 20 or 30 seconds. So, you see a light in the darkness and you use your watch to time it.
There are little markings on the chart that indicate how often that light will flash, so even though they all so the same work, they do have identifying characteristics.
The lights of the Kingdom may all be doing the same thing but there are identifying characteristics.
I thought of the characteristics of a servant of God.
Even the children know some of the identifying marks of the ministry: selling all, going forward by faith, two together, sharing the Gospel, bring peace into homes.
A few years ago we met a religious man and were having a nice visit with him and he brought up Matthew 10, where Jesus sent the twelve apostles.
Often we like to bring up that chapter but he did!
Then he said, "Now I can begin to understand Matthew 10. Previously, I have never known anyone I could relate that chapter to, but I begin to understand it now..."
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Post by speak on Jul 18, 2017 4:24:04 GMT -5
Dean Bruer preached at Maroota Convention (Sydney) 2017 on Lighthouses and the workers' ministry
As you travel along and look for some of the guides (lighthouses) at night, they have particular characteristics.
One may flash every 10 seconds, another every 14 or 20 or 30 seconds. So, you see a light in the darkness and you use your watch to time it.
There are little markings on the chart that indicate how often that light will flash, so even though they all so the same work, they do have identifying characteristics.
The lights of the Kingdom may all be doing the same thing but there are identifying characteristics.
I thought of the characteristics of a servant of God.
Even the children know some of the identifying marks of the ministry: selling all, going forward by faith, two together, sharing the Gospel, bring peace into homes.
A few years ago we met a religious man and were having a nice visit with him and he brought up Matthew 10, where Jesus sent the twelve apostles.
Often we like to bring up that chapter but he did!
Then he said, "Now I can begin to understand Matthew 10. Previously, I have never known anyone I could relate that chapter to, but I begin to understand it now..." And?
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Post by James on Jul 18, 2017 7:00:19 GMT -5
Dean Bruer preached at Maroota Convention (Sydney) 2017 on Lighthouses and the workers' ministry
As you travel along and look for some of the guides (lighthouses) at night, they have particular characteristics.
One may flash every 10 seconds, another every 14 or 20 or 30 seconds. So, you see a light in the darkness and you use your watch to time it.
There are little markings on the chart that indicate how often that light will flash, so even though they all so the same work, they do have identifying characteristics.
The lights of the Kingdom may all be doing the same thing but there are identifying characteristics.
I thought of the characteristics of a servant of God.
Even the children know some of the identifying marks of the ministry: selling all, going forward by faith, two together, sharing the Gospel, bring peace into homes.
A few years ago we met a religious man and were having a nice visit with him and he brought up Matthew 10, where Jesus sent the twelve apostles.
Often we like to bring up that chapter but he did!
Then he said, "Now I can begin to understand Matthew 10. Previously, I have never known anyone I could relate that chapter to, but I begin to understand it now..." And? Perhaps you could tell us whether these are characteristics are, based on the Word of God, the major identifying marks of Christian ministry?
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2017 7:27:55 GMT -5
DeanB. is our new overseer.... Great to have him on our staff.
From John Long Journal
~~ 7/ 1898: While in Kilkee we (John Long/Methodist, William Irvine/Faith Mission preacher and Fred Hughes/Faith Mission preacher) had a Bible reading on Matthew 10. It was that Bible reading set John Long first thinking about going on Faith Lines. It was a very remarkable coincident that Edward Cooney turned up next day, for he very soon after gave up a very good situation, and distributed thirteen hundred pounds to the poor, and went fully on the Lord's work, and became a great advocate of preachers going without a stated salary.
However, as a guide to preachers, Matthew 10 should only be taken in conjunction with the other Scriptures and Acts of the Apostles after Pentecost. This is a very important point lest young preachers should attempt that which our Lord never meant and run into catastrophe; as in Matthew 10, that tour was only for a few days, to meet a need and prepare the way for His visit to them. Vs. 10-25.
In Matthew 10 they were not to go to the Gentiles, nor to the Samaritans; after Pentecost they were to be "Witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth." Acts 1:8. In Matthew 10 they were to take neither gold, silver, or brass, in their purses nor any luggage; after Pentecost they used money, and carried necessary luggage. Acts 4:34-35; 21:15; 28:30-31. 1 Corinthians 9:14. These words "As ye go preach" gave rise to the name "Go-Preacher." Indeed "Apostle" should be the name instead of "Missionary" for it is mentioned as one of the gifts of our risen Lord, Ephesians 4:11.
William Irvine asked John Long "When did God changed this?" John Long replied, "I supposed it has never changed." (from the Secret Sect book Doug Parker)
John Long began his Matthew 10 Faith line ministry in 1989 with William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker, Jack Carroll and many others.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 18, 2017 7:54:39 GMT -5
DeanB. is our new overseer.... Great to have him on our staff.
From John Long Journal
~~ 7/ 1898: While in Kilkee we (John Long/Methodist, William Irvine/Faith Mission preacher and Fred Hughes/Faith Mission preacher) had a Bible reading on Matthew 10. It was that Bible reading set John Long first thinking about going on Faith Lines. It was a very remarkable coincident that Edward Cooney turned up next day, for he very soon after gave up a very good situation, and distributed thirteen hundred pounds to the poor, and went fully on the Lord's work, and became a great advocate of preachers going without a stated salary.
However, as a guide to preachers, Matthew 10 should only be taken in conjunction with the other Scriptures and Acts of the Apostles after Pentecost. This is a very important point lest young preachers should attempt that which our Lord never meant and run into catastrophe; as in Matthew 10, that tour was only for a few days, to meet a need and prepare the way for His visit to them. Vs. 10-25.
In Matthew 10 they were not to go to the Gentiles, nor to the Samaritans; after Pentecost they were to be "Witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth." Acts 1:8. In Matthew 10 they were to take neither gold, silver, or brass, in their purses nor any luggage; after Pentecost they used money, and carried necessary luggage. Acts 4:34-35; 21:15; 28:30-31. 1 Corinthians 9:14. These words "As ye go preach" gave rise to the name "Go-Preacher." Indeed "Apostle" should be the name instead of "Missionary" for it is mentioned as one of the gifts of our risen Lord, Ephesians 4:11.
*** William Irvine asked John Long "When did God changed this?" John Long replied, "I supposed it has never changed. "
John Long began his Matthew 10 Faith line in 1989 with William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker, Jack Carroll and many others. NOTE - Nate, this is not the whole truth and the above quote is not found in John Long's journal, as you present it.
Nothing has been found in writing that shows whose idea it was to study Matthew 10 in July, 1898. So far, the only place this quote is found is in "The Secret Sect." There is no footnote giving the source of Parkers' quote. ( Secret Sect by Parker, p. 2). While visiting Ireland in 2004, I reviewed both original copies of the Journals of John Long, paying particular attention to this Matthew 10 study. Neither Journal told which man had the idea first. Neither contained the words quoted above in The Secret Sect.
Also, Jack Carroll didn't enter the work on faith lines in 1898 - not until 1904, and Cooney not until 1901.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 8:35:35 GMT -5
Isn't JOhn Long's son still alive? Or is that Alf Magowan? One of them had a son way up in years.
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2017 8:46:12 GMT -5
DeanB. is our new overseer.... Great to have him on our staff.
From John Long Journal
~~ 7/ 1898: While in Kilkee we (John Long/Methodist, William Irvine/Faith Mission preacher and Fred Hughes/Faith Mission preacher) had a Bible reading on Matthew 10. It was that Bible reading set John Long first thinking about going on Faith Lines. It was a very remarkable coincident that Edward Cooney turned up next day, for he very soon after gave up a very good situation, and distributed thirteen hundred pounds to the poor, and went fully on the Lord's work, and became a great advocate of preachers going without a stated salary.
However, as a guide to preachers, Matthew 10 should only be taken in conjunction with the other Scriptures and Acts of the Apostles after Pentecost. This is a very important point lest young preachers should attempt that which our Lord never meant and run into catastrophe; as in Matthew 10, that tour was only for a few days, to meet a need and prepare the way for His visit to them. Vs. 10-25.
In Matthew 10 they were not to go to the Gentiles, nor to the Samaritans; after Pentecost they were to be "Witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth." Acts 1:8. In Matthew 10 they were to take neither gold, silver, or brass, in their purses nor any luggage; after Pentecost they used money, and carried necessary luggage. Acts 4:34-35; 21:15; 28:30-31. 1 Corinthians 9:14. These words "As ye go preach" gave rise to the name "Go-Preacher." Indeed "Apostle" should be the name instead of "Missionary" for it is mentioned as one of the gifts of our risen Lord, Ephesians 4:11.
*** William Irvine asked John Long "When did God changed this?" John Long replied, "I supposed it has never changed. "
John Long began his Matthew 10 Faith line in 1989 with William Irvine, Edward Cooney, George Walker, Jack Carroll and many others. NOTE - Nate, this is not the whole truth and the above quote is not found in John Long's journal, as you present it.
Nothing has been found in writing that shows whose idea it was to study Matthew 10 in July, 1898. So far, the only place this quote is found is in "The Secret Sect." There is no footnote giving the source of Parkers' quote. ( Secret Sect by Parker, p. 2). While visiting Ireland in 2004, I reviewed both original copies of the Journals of John Long, paying particular attention to this Matthew 10 study. Neither Journal told which man had the idea first. Neither contained the words quoted above in The Secret Sect.
Also, Jack Carroll didn't enter the work on faith lines in 1898 - not until 1904, and Cooney not until 1901. After I get off work I Wii post what John long posted in his journal and let the readers decide for themselves. Let us see who is telling the truth.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 18, 2017 8:47:35 GMT -5
Isn't JOhn Long's son still alive? Or is that Alf Magowan? One of them had a son way up in years. Yes, he was alive last I heard--living in an elderly folks care home. He has a son named John Long also. Long is no relation to Magowan, who has 4 living sons.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 18, 2017 9:59:35 GMT -5
NOTE - Nate, this is not the whole truth and the above quote is not found in John Long's journal, as you present it.
Nothing has been found in writing that shows whose idea it was to study Matthew 10 in July, 1898. So far, the only place this quote is found is in "The Secret Sect." There is no footnote giving the source of Parkers' quote. ( Secret Sect by Parker, p. 2). While visiting Ireland in 2004, I reviewed both original copies of the Journals of John Long, paying particular attention to this Matthew 10 study. Neither Journal told which man had the idea first. Neither contained the words quoted above in The Secret Sect.
Also, Jack Carroll didn't enter the work on faith lines in 1898 - not until 1904, and Cooney not until 1901. After I get off work I Wii post what John long posted in his journal and let the readers decide for themselves. Let us see who is telling the truth. This is what John Long's Journal has to say: JUNE, 1898: About that time Irvine went to Maryborough, and I went to Portumna where together with Gilbert we had a mission in Sister Lowrey's home. C. B. Stoney, Portland, a converted Gentleman, took a great interest in the REVIVAL, wrote in its defence, and contributed to its support. Just as Jordan overflowed her banks all the days of harvest; people's purses, as well as their hearts, got touched, and there was no lack of money, food, friends, prophet's chambers, etc. After that William Irvine and I went to Limerick City, where we had a mission in the Young Men’s Christian Association Room, given to us by a Brethren man named Fredrick Wright. It was a stiff mission with some success. While cycling near Killaloe, I lost control of my bicycle, and was thrown into the ditch; I escaped unhurt but the bicycle was slightly injured. "As many as I love I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore and repent," Revelation 3:19. About that time, the work became scattered. There was an increase of prayer meetings, also young converts began to hold missions in Meath, Kildare, Tipperary. Some joined the Faith Mission, others joined Todd’s Mission in the Southeast of Ireland, and others went out not connected with any mission. Opposition against the work became more and more manifest, for some clergy favoured it and others opposed it. As long as the work kept from exclusiveness, and remained unsectarian in manifestation it was wonderfully used of God in the salvation of sinners and the making of disciples. At that time the workers occasionally went to the various churches and at times preached in them whenever the way opened up, that helped to disarm prejudice, and get at the unconverted to win them for Christ, leaving them to the option of their own will as to where they worship and get the most spiritual food. I might here once for all give the meaning of some important ecclesiastical words: Church: Assembly of believers. Baptism: To dip or to immerse Saint: Holy, sacred Minister: To serve. A bondservant. Apostle: Sent One Prophet: Foretelling and forthtelling. Evangelist: A preacher of the Gospel. Pastor: To feed the flock. The same as elders, bishops. Preach: To proclaim or publish. Elder: An old man in office. Bishop: An overseer, or elder. Deacon: Minister or servant. JULY, 1898: At that time William Irvine, Fred Hughes and I went to Kilkee, where we had a mission in the Methodist Church; also we had the fellowship of W.B. Merrick, my superintendent in the colportage work. He was a minister who never wore a clerical suit, and rightly so for where in the New Testament do we read of Apostles or elders having any distinction in their dress? While there William Irvine laid his hands on a delicate young woman, and God healed her. And these signs shall follow them that believe; "In my name shall they cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them, they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." Mark 16:17-18. Divine healing was not taught nor ministered then, even as yet it is only believed and ministered by few: this is strange when the Bible says so much about it! THE MATTHEW TEN STUDY JULY, 1898: While in Kilkee we had a Bible reading on Matthew 10. It was that Bible reading set me first thinking about going on Faith Lines. It was a very remarkable coincident that Edward Cooney turned up next day, for he very soon after gave up a very good situation, and distributed thirteen hundred pounds to the poor, and went fully on the Lord's work, and became a great advocate of preachers going without a stated salary. However, as a guide to preachers, Matthew 10 should only be taken in conjunction with the other Scriptures and Acts of the Apostles after Pentecost. This is a very important point lest young preachers should attempt that which our Lord never meant and run into catastrophe; as in Matthew 10, that tour was only for a few days, to meet a need and prepare the way for His visit to them. Vs. 10-25. In Matthew 10 they were not to go to the Gentiles, nor to the Samaritans; after Pentecost they were to be "Witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in Judea and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth." Acts 1:8. In Matthew 10 they were to take neither gold, silver, or brass, in their purses nor any luggage; after Pentecost they used money, and carried necessary luggage. Acts 4:34-35; 21:15; 28:30-31. 1 Corinthians 9:14. These words "As ye go preach" gave rise to the name "Go-Preacher." Indeed "Apostle" should be the name instead of "Missionary" for it is mentioned as one of the gifts of our risen Lord, Ephesians 4:11. AUGUST, 1898: At that time, William Irvine left me and went to Galway town; Fred Hughes went back to merchandise and Thomas Turner joined me and we visited Kilrush, Spanish Point, and Ennis. While in Spanish Point I spent a day in prayer and fasting, seeking to know the mind of the Lord concerning giving up the Colportage work and going on Faith Lines; while I was praying I got a definite anointing of the Holy Spirit, shed like oil upon my head. Read the rest at: www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_johnlong/2longjohn.php
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2017 10:49:37 GMT -5
The WE = William irvine, John long and Fred Hughes... Studying Matthew 10 together... Not long after this studied John long went forth preaching FAITH LINES... WILLIAM IRVINE converted john to preaching the FAITH line in 1898...... William and Fred H. were FAITH mission preachers when they studied Matt 10 together. WI wanted John L.to join/become FM worker but he declined and went forth preaching FAITH LINES. FAITH M. disciplined WI in 1898 for some reasons... WI went preaching FAITH LINES with john long in 1898...
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2017 11:18:57 GMT -5
The ONLY reason children know about the critical nature of a 2x2 homeless ministry is that the 2x2 homeless ministry has brainwashed them with it since they were first learning words. What a farce. Children know Jesus' actual commandments of Love. Modern day Pharisees. Furthermore, they do little to nothing to actually invite or compel people to come to their meetings. Neither do the friends, who are perfectly happy to be the "one true way", and also perfectly happy to exclude their actual neighbors. "Spreading the Gospel" is a bit rich, but I suppose I shouldn't be too critical - them not preaching to "unsaved" people and instead shouting into a self-created vacuum is ironically better than if they actually cared enough to "spread" the gospel. Anyone can read Matt 10 and luke 10 in the gospels... There is no need to brain washed aanyone at all. people can read it for themselves. There is pharicisim attitudes in everyone of us... The workers are having gospel meetings open to the public saved and unsaved twice a week. All are welcome.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 18, 2017 11:56:49 GMT -5
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2017 13:42:53 GMT -5
Yes, that is correct! Matt 10 is part of FAITH mission teachings... Have FAITH in God for their daily needs.... FAITH LINES.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 18, 2017 13:57:49 GMT -5
Yes, that is correct! Matt 10 is part of FAITH mission teachings... Have FAITH in God for their daily needs.... FAITH LINES. Funny - there is no mention of Matthew 10 or "faith lines" in the book Heritage of Revival, which is one of the books about FM. www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/heritage-revival.phpNor are either of these terms found in Spirit of Revival, written by Govan's daughter.
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Post by nathan on Jul 18, 2017 14:27:34 GMT -5
Yes, that is correct! Matt 10 is part of FAITH mission teachings... Have FAITH in God for their daily needs.... FAITH LINES. Funny - there is no mention of Matthew 10 or "faith lines" in the book Heritage of Revival, which is one of the books about FM. www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/heritage-revival.phpNor are either of these terms found in Spirit of Revival, written by Govan's daughter. When I get home I will show you Dr. Cornelious J. Findings some of the FAITH M. Teachings in the beginning... Then Matt chapter 10 will make a lot of sense... FAITH LINES.
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Post by revelat10n on Jul 20, 2017 0:56:56 GMT -5
Of which state is Dean Bruer overseer? He was in my field for many years when I was growing up.
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 20, 2017 2:20:18 GMT -5
I'm not really sure that a worker should be advertising the fact that he or she is a "Bruer'!
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Post by speak on Jul 20, 2017 3:08:24 GMT -5
Perhaps you could tell us whether these are characteristics are, based on the Word of God, the major identifying marks of Christian ministry? Why do I need to do that? You are the one who just plonked it there as it seems for no apparent reason.
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Post by speak on Jul 20, 2017 3:11:40 GMT -5
I'm not really sure that a worker should be advertising the fact that he or she is a "Bruer'! Typical aussie thinking of what goes down the gullet
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 20, 2017 3:11:48 GMT -5
Perhaps you could tell us whether these are characteristics are, based on the Word of God, the major identifying marks of Christian ministry? Why do I need to do that? You are the one who just plonked it there as it seems for no apparent reason. Well why respond with "And" after it was posted speak ? Surely it didn't need to be pointed out to you what was wrong with the sermon ? "I thought of the characteristics of a servant of God. Even the children know some of the identifying marks of the ministry: selling all, going forward by faith, two together, sharing the Gospel, bring peace into homes." What a load of self righteous hog wash !
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 20, 2017 5:36:40 GMT -5
"Speak" - sometimes it might help to process things a bit before you do!
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2017 7:27:32 GMT -5
Of which state is Dean Bruer overseer? He was in my field for many years when I was growing up. Dean is the overseer in Orgeon, and Idaho. Dean Bruer was the Overseer in Montana and WY. for 15 years before coming to Oregon, he did really good job in those two states. He was the older brother worker in our field, when I was living in Seattle, Wa. 1980-86. He is a solid brother, and a good overseer material just like Mark Huddle. We are so glad and happy to have him as our overseer.
I offered for the work to Uncle Leo Stancliff on the island of Guam in 1980 first, then I offered it again in Seattle, Wa to Tharold S. in 1980 but thing didn't work out in Washington because of misunderstanding. Then I moved down to Oregon and offered for the work to Howard Mooney in 1986 and started in the work at Boring in August, 1986 convention and I left the work in 1993.
I am almost complete Part II My testimony from 1960-2017 I will post on TMB. I will post what happened why I didn't start in the work in Seattle, Wa. and Dean B. played a nice part in my testimony.
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Post by nathan on Jul 20, 2017 7:32:08 GMT -5
Of which state is Dean Bruer overseer? He was in my field for many years when I was growing up. I'm pretty sure Nate is in Washington state and he said Dean Bruer was Head Worker there. I met Dean at a home of one of the professing folk in Seattle in 1985 so imagine that's correct. I think Nate was in the work then. Dean seemed a nice bloke but from the quote believes the 2x2 system stuff - I guess you would if you were a Head Worker! Well, if the 2x2 system is from God and Jesus has taught it and he wanted it to continue His return... then you're a true servant of God, which build his Faith on the Rock and NOT on the sand foundation. Read Matthew 7:21-28. Jesus said if anyone teaches differently than what He has taught, then they are building their faith and hard works on the Sand foundation and how great the fall of it when the storm (judgment day) comes it will be destroyed, ALL of your hard works good for NOTHING/ lost gone with no rewards at all.... but will be punished/ sending to the lake of FIRE with Satan, fallen angels, and the false prophets, teachers, and their followers.
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Post by nathan on Jul 21, 2017 1:11:14 GMT -5
Well, if the 2x2 system is from God and Jesus has taught it and he wanted it to continue His return... then you're a true servant of God, which build his Faith on the Rock and NOT on the sand foundation. Read Matthew 7:21-28. Jesus said if anyone teaches differently than what He has taught, then they are building their faith and hard works on the Sand foundation and how great the fall of it when the storm (judgment day) comes it will be destroyed, ALL of your hard works good for NOTHING/ lost gone with no rewards at all.... but will be punished/ sending to the lake of FIRE with Satan, fallen angels, and the false prophets, teachers, and their followers. ....and therein lies the misapplication of Scripture which unfortunately a number of sects, including the 2x2's do quite often. Anyone can grab something from the Bible that is NOT core doctrine, argue it as if their life depended on it and then stand behind verses like Matt 7 to push their point of view. The reality is that the 2x2 system based on an paired, homeless ministry ONLY in the post resurrection era is NOT biblical.
The paired ministry was a short (a few weeks), very focussed and urgent mission to the Jewish people that the Messiah had come and was about to (literally) visit their cities. It is obvious that the ongoing mission in Acts was not primarily paired and that apostles/evangelists were not homeless. Indeed most of them were married and they had responsibilities to their family and extended family (as well as John having ongoing responsibilities to look after Mary). Paul was appointed as the Apostle (read singular) to the Gentiles to take the lead in taking the gospel message to the Gentiles. So, I call it "2x2 system stuff" - thankfully there are a rapidly decreasing number of people who buy into it around the world. Any church structure, the more that it is promoted and idolised as "gospel", simply takes the focus away from the true Gospel - Jesus' death in our place which enables us to be reconciled to a holy God and His resurrection which proves that the grave has been defeated and those in Christ can live forever with Him.
Reading from many of your posts, Ross... You didn't learn much or truly understand about 2x2 doctrines/teachings when you were a 2x2..... Paul and Barnabas, Timothy, Luke, Silas, Apollo and many others were sent to preach to the Gentiles. Paul was one of MANY.... The New Testament is a TWO Callings system... The apostles/ministry and the Saints/followers ministry.
Matthew 10 and Luke 10 missions were the first 10 and 70 apostles first trial/test launching without Jesus presence with them. Jesus instruction to them was carry light for the journey... Do NOT burden yourselves with too many things. Be light on your feet.... Those were the main instructions for ALL apostles to learn for ALL ages to come.
Going in pairs.... so the older experience apostle/worker can teach the younger worker, one on one training, how to preach, be an evangelist, and the pastor/leader as feeders to the lambs and sheep of God. That was how Timothy got his schooling by learning from being with Paul and Barnabas.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 21, 2017 1:19:48 GMT -5
Isn't JOhn Long's son still alive? Or is that Alf Magowan? One of them had a son way up in years. I did communicate with Alf Magowan's son for awhile about his father. Not sure if I still have his address.
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Post by nathan on Jul 21, 2017 7:20:30 GMT -5
Reading from many of your posts, Ross... You didn't learn much or truly understand about 2x2 doctrines/teachings when you were a 2x2..... Paul and Barnabas, Timothy, Luke, Silas, Apollo and many others were sent to preach to the Gentiles. Paul was one of MANY.... The New Testament is a TWO Callings system... The apostles/ministry and the Saints/followers ministry.
Matthew 10 and Luke 10 missions were the first 10 and 70 apostles first trial/test launching without Jesus presence with them. Jesus instruction to them was carry light for the journey... Do NOT burden yourselves with too many things. Be light on your feet.... Those were the main instructions for ALL apostles to learn for ALL ages to come.
Going in pairs.... so the older experience apostle/worker can teach the younger worker, one on one training, how to preach, be an evangelist, and the pastor/leader as feeders to the lambs and sheep of God. That was how Timothy got his schooling by learning from being with Paul and Barnabas.
Nate - I was well indoctrinated in everything 2x2 from an early age. I supported it wholeheartedly without thinking and like many people was brainwashed to believe that it was "The Truth". Then I met Jesus who is the Truth and decided that He was indeed worth focusing on. I should say that I met Him while I was still going to meetings. I met Him and got to know Him in the Word of God, not from what I heard preached. You can believe that the New Testament is a TWO Callings system - whatever that means. I don't. The New Testament to me is about our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ and what He has done to reconcile us to God. What is more important to you - the workers preaching a "TWO Callings system" or preaching "Jesus as our Lord and God"?. They preach the former but not the latter. I know which I find more important. It's why I moved to another church that upholds Jesus and who He is.
I came out from RCC, Protestant churches myself.... If they were upholding the teachings of Jesus I would have STAYED, where I was. Thanks, but no thanks. Jesus and Paul taught two callings system and Christ is God, who incarnated as a man Jesus to die for our sins to Redeem us and became our Savior. So, Jesus is both man and God in One person. God the Father is God, Christ is God, and so is the Holy Spirit= the Godhead.
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