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Post by snow on Jun 25, 2018 13:03:48 GMT -5
Sorry back to you.. I think a quote I have read on here helps me to answer that one. ‘ morality comes not from a book or a guy in the sky but from the idea, how you treat people matters because how people feel, matters’ without Christ its all in vain... Being nice to people, feeling compassion and a willingness to help others, is never in vain imo. All good we can do for ourselves and others should never be seen as 'in vain without Jesus' or 'allah' or any other supernatural being that people believe in. Good has it's own rewards. |
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Post by openingact34 on Jun 25, 2018 19:12:32 GMT -5
Where do you think you would spend eternity, if God forbid, you were to die later today? I am not sending this to you to preach religion. I am asking you if you were standing before a Holy God do you think that He would have an issue with your sin if you were standing in front of a Holy God? Because that is exactly what the Bible tells us. That a Holy God can not be in the presence of sin. So every human being that has ever lived has had the exact same problem. This sin problem. But do you also know that Jesus Christ offers all of us a free gift, the forgiveness of sin. And faith and belief is all God wants from you. So, do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God who came to earth and lived a perfect life? Do you know that God will accept Christ's perfect life and let Christ be your Advocate, so on Judgement Day God doesn't look at all the bad stuff you've done. Instead, God will look at His perfect Son when He see's you. Because Jesus and His perfection literally stand in our place. Something like that. I would try to lay it out in the most simple terms so they know what the problem is and what the solution is and how it works. Then in the last sentence just write a quick sentence like "there really is little difference between you and I, I am a sinner too. But I have accepted Christ's free gift of salvation and I know that I will be with God in eternity. I sincerely hope that this has helped you and I do apologize for being so forward, but I have to share this with you because I'm sure neither of us gets free gifts often. At this point, I would recommend for you a good Bible-based church that can answer any questions you have and will surround you with like-minded believers. Just Google bible church in your local area. God bless you!" Rom 3:23 : For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith: Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Jesus commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins, to ask for His forgiveness, and to turn from their sins and to put their faith and trust in Him. Repenting means that you are sincerely sorry for all the bad things you have done in life and you want Jesus to change you into his holiness and righteousness. Looks like TMB has been infiltrated by members of the Evangelical cult. A few drive-by posts. No evidence of anything to do with the 2x2 church. |
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Post by rational on Jun 26, 2018 20:39:49 GMT -5
Sorry back to you.. I think a quote I have read on here helps me to answer that one. ‘ morality comes not from a book or a guy in the sky but from the idea, how you treat people matters because how people feel, matters’ without Christ its all in vain... It is clear from the bible that god does not put a lot of stock in how people treat other people so there is no doubt that all efforts in that direction would be in vain. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 20:48:58 GMT -5
without Christ its all in vain... It is clear from the bible that god does not put a lot of stock in how people treat other people so there is no doubt that all efforts in that direction would be in vain. sounds like your stuck in the OT and not in the NT.... |
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Post by rational on Jun 26, 2018 21:03:48 GMT -5
It is clear from the bible that god does not put a lot of stock in how people treat other people so there is no doubt that all efforts in that direction would be in vain. sounds like your stuck in the OT and not in the NT.... Nope, I was referring to your belief which I assume is based on the bible. Correct me if I am wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 21:17:49 GMT -5
sounds like your stuck in the OT and not in the NT.... Nope, I was referring to your belief which I assume is based on the bible. Correct me if I am wrong. you couldn't have read the NT very well if thats your conclusion... |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 26, 2018 21:36:49 GMT -5
Nope, I was referring to your belief which I assume is based on the bible. Correct me if I am wrong. you couldn't have read the NT very well if thats your conclusion... Don't you read the Old Testament @wally ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 23:04:11 GMT -5
you couldn't have read the NT very well if thats your conclusion... Don't you read the Old Testament @wally ? yep...have you read both the OT and the NT? |
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 27, 2018 1:23:24 GMT -5
Don't you read the Old Testament @wally ? yep...have you read both the OT and the NT?  No @wally never read them ...... seriously what do you think !!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 5:08:25 GMT -5
yep...have you read both the OT and the NT? No @wally never read them ...... seriously what do you think !!!! since you fired off another stupid question i thought i would do likewise.... |
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Post by rational on Jun 27, 2018 19:44:01 GMT -5
Nope, I was referring to your belief which I assume is based on the bible. Correct me if I am wrong. you couldn't have read the NT very well if thats your conclusion... @wally, you stated that all was vain without Jesus. All would include acts of kindness to others. You have stated that such actions, on their own, are vain. This would lead a person to the conclusion that they cannot do good deeds on their own. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 20:32:25 GMT -5
you couldn't have read the NT very well if thats your conclusion... @wally , you stated that all was vain without Jesus. All would include acts of kindness to others. You have stated that such actions, on their own, are vain. This would lead a person to the conclusion that they cannot do good deeds on their own. different subject the subject we were discussing is that you stated God doesn't care for how people treat other people, you can't have possibly read the new testament and believe that conclusion... now to the vain comment... you can certainly do good deeds without God but its pointless in the bigger picture cause on judgement day it will be all about Christ... |
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Post by rational on Jun 27, 2018 23:22:31 GMT -5
@wally , you stated that all was vain without Jesus. All would include acts of kindness to others. You have stated that such actions, on their own, are vain. This would lead a person to the conclusion that they cannot do good deeds on their own. different subject the subject we were discussing is that you stated God doesn't care for how people treat other people, you can't have possibly read the new testament and believe that conclusion... now to the vain comment... you can certainly do good deeds without God but its pointless in the bigger picture cause on judgement day it will be all about Christ... And there you have it. The belief it is pointless to be kind to people because on the judgement day god completely discounts anything but mindless worship. |
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Post by Dennis J on Jun 27, 2018 23:48:48 GMT -5
Don’t really know where anyone will be here on earth in the next couple of hours...seems I am the prime example. I am now on the 5th floor of Portland’s VA hospital. Got here via VA emergency room. Katie has just left for home. Had no idea this noon I would be trying to sleep here tonight.
They are talking of possible need for a pacemaker insertion. Pulse rate was down to 35 at about 4:00 pm. Some pain. Katie brought me to the ER here, and here I will remain for a bit.
Best wishes to all,
Dennis
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 0:43:35 GMT -5
different subject the subject we were discussing is that you stated God doesn't care for how people treat other people, you can't have possibly read the new testament and believe that conclusion... now to the vain comment... you can certainly do good deeds without God but its pointless in the bigger picture cause on judgement day it will be all about Christ... And there you have it. The belief it is pointless to be kind to people because on the judgement day god completely discounts anything but mindless worship. that still doesn't suggest non-believers "can't do good deeds on their own" in fact i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 2:00:37 GMT -5
Don’t really know where anyone will be here on earth in the next couple of hours...seems I am the prime example. I am now on the 5th floor of Portland’s VA hospital. Got here via VA emergency room. Katie has just left for home. Had no idea this noon I would be trying to sleep here tonight. They are talking of possible need for a pacemaker insertion. Pulse rate was down to 35 at about 4:00 pm. Some pain. Katie brought me to the ER here, and here I will remain for a bit. Best wishes to all, Dennis my grandpa outlived 5 pacemakers the size of baseballs, hopefully you'll get a modern tiny one and wont notice it at all...wouldn't madigan be closer than portland? regards |
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Post by Dennis J on Jun 28, 2018 2:08:47 GMT -5
Hi, Wally. Will know more about the unit t’morra! Moving me now to ICU.
Portland is 59 miles from our home. Madigan is 85.
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Post by snow on Jun 28, 2018 12:22:50 GMT -5
Don’t really know where anyone will be here on earth in the next couple of hours...seems I am the prime example. I am now on the 5th floor of Portland’s VA hospital. Got here via VA emergency room. Katie has just left for home. Had no idea this noon I would be trying to sleep here tonight. They are talking of possible need for a pacemaker insertion. Pulse rate was down to 35 at about 4:00 pm. Some pain. Katie brought me to the ER here, and here I will remain for a bit. Best wishes to all, Dennis Wishing you the best Dennis. I hope they get this sorted out for you and you can be home with Katie soon! |
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Post by Dennis J on Jun 28, 2018 13:14:47 GMT -5
Thank you, ma’am. Just heard from my heart specialist, (using a royal “we?) that “we believe it is retention of fluid that needs to be addressed before considering a pace maker.” So, he tells me that means number of days treatment first here in ICU and then...
Who knows?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 28, 2018 15:32:21 GMT -5
And there you have it. The belief it is pointless to be kind to people because on the judgement day god completely discounts anything but mindless worship. that still doesn't suggest non-believers "can't do good deeds on their own" in fact i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work... |
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Post by rational on Jun 29, 2018 12:02:52 GMT -5
And there you have it. The belief it is pointless to be kind to people because on the judgement day god completely discounts anything but mindless worship. that still doesn't suggest non-believers "can't do good deeds on their own" in fact i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work... I don't think anyone will be debating god about anything at anytime. However, I will continue to treat people the way I would like to be treated whether the god in which you believe thinks it is worth doing or not. I wonder, does it give you comfort to believe that no matter how much a person does to help others that they will be damned because they do not worship the entity in which you believe? |
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Post by rational on Jun 29, 2018 12:11:43 GMT -5
Thank you, ma’am. Just heard from my heart specialist, (using a royal “we?) that “we believe it is retention of fluid that needs to be addressed before considering a pace maker.” So, he tells me that means number of days treatment first here in ICU and then...
??? Who knows? Pericardial effusion is nothing to ignore but once the cause is determined it can be treated and the effects mitigated. Still, not much fun waiting around until the mode of treatment is determined and put in place. Best of luck Dennis. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 12:47:41 GMT -5
that still doesn't suggest non-believers "can't do good deeds on their own" in fact i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work... I don't think anyone will be debating god about anything at anytime. However, I will continue to treat people the way I would like to be treated whether the god in which you believe thinks it is worth doing or not. I wonder, does it give you comfort to believe that no matter how much a person does to help others that they will be damned because they do not worship the entity in which you believe? if it gave me comfort why am i on here warning you guys all the time about what is to come? |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 29, 2018 22:06:02 GMT -5
I don't think anyone will be debating god about anything at anytime. However, I will continue to treat people the way I would like to be treated whether the god in which you believe thinks it is worth doing or not. I wonder, does it give you comfort to believe that no matter how much a person does to help others that they will be damned because they do not worship the entity in which you believe? if it gave me comfort why am i on here warning you guys all the time about what is to come?
I really doubt that your total reason for posting here is to "warn us."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 22:09:11 GMT -5
if it gave me comfort why am i on here warning you guys all the time about what is to come?
I really doubt that your total reason for posting here is to "warn us."
how little you know...when i asked God about TMB it was approved based on helping others.... |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2018 1:07:26 GMT -5
Yes, -in a way I think that it does give you "something."
I really doubt that your total reason for posting here is to "warn us."
how little you know...when i asked God about TMB it was approved based on helping others....
When you say things like: " i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work..."
That doesn't really sound to me as if you are wanting to "help others."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 1:15:31 GMT -5
how little you know...when i asked God about TMB it was approved based on helping others....
When you say things like: " i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work..."
That doesn't really sound to me as if you are wanting to "help others."
hmmm...after describing the action the warning "it wont work" isn't helpful? i am reminded of this HELPFUL verse: Mat_12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2018 1:42:55 GMT -5
Sorry, wally.
When you say things like: " i'm positive that many people will be trying to debate God about their good deeds they did WITHOUT God that they might be allowed in heaven but it wont work..."
That doesn't really sound to me as if you are wanting to "help others."
hmmm...after describing the action the warning "it wont work" isn't helpful? i am reminded of this HELPFUL verse: Mat_12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Then why didn't you put that "helpful" verse in your original post? |
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