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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2017 18:13:31 GMT -5
Nicene Creed
WE BELIEVE in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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Post by bubbles on Jun 17, 2018 6:26:21 GMT -5
Where do you think you would spend eternity, if God forbid, you were to die later today? I am not sending this to you to preach religion. I am asking you if you were standing before a Holy God do you think that He would have an issue with your sin if you were standing in front of a Holy God? Because that is exactly what the Bible tells us. That a Holy God can not be in the presence of sin. So every human being that has ever lived has had the exact same problem. This sin problem. But do you also know that Jesus Christ offers all of us a free gift, the forgiveness of sin. And faith and belief is all God wants from you. So, do you believe that Jesus was the Son of God who came to earth and lived a perfect life? Do you know that God will accept Christ's perfect life and let Christ be your Advocate, so on Judgement Day God doesn't look at all the bad stuff you've done. Instead, God will look at His perfect Son when He see's you. Because Jesus and His perfection literally stand in our place. Something like that. I would try to lay it out in the most simple terms so they know what the problem is and what the solution is and how it works. Then in the last sentence just write a quick sentence like "there really is little difference between you and I, I am a sinner too. But I have accepted Christ's free gift of salvation and I know that I will be with God in eternity. I sincerely hope that this has helped you and I do apologize for being so forward, but I have to share this with you because I'm sure neither of us gets free gifts often. At this point, I would recommend for you a good Bible-based church that can answer any questions you have and will surround you with like-minded believers. Just Google bible church in your local area. God bless you!" Rom 3:23 : For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith: Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Jesus commands everyone everywhere to repent of their sins, to ask for His forgiveness, and to turn from their sins and to put their faith and trust in Him. Repenting means that you are sincerely sorry for all the bad things you have done in life and you want Jesus to change you into his holiness and righteousness. Hopefully in the arms of my Lord
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Post by Dennis J on Jun 17, 2018 6:50:53 GMT -5
Just curious, is it possible to “spend” eternity? However, I understand the intent.
In any case, it is only by His Grace I might be where I wish to be...
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Post by snow on Jun 17, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -5
Sin, heaven and hell only exist for those who believe in the supernatural. Otherwise they don't exist in the real world. Is this another attempt by a JW to evangelize the 2x2's? Just wondering as we've had a few here lately. If you're not and you're a 2x2 please accept my apologies.
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Post by howitis on Jun 17, 2018 17:47:25 GMT -5
As I see it "spending" eternity is not quite possible... In this life our actions are bound mostly by time and money, both of which are "spent"....eg; by the "time" we feel we have enough "money" that we could take "time" off work and say, walk the great ocean road(or similar), we may be not able to do so physically because "time" has taken its toll on our bodies. Therefore to go to a place where "time" is not a common denominator is a wondrous thing. May we have faith to believe that His grace is sufficient for us, to take us to a realm where, "time and seasons are no more"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 19:34:37 GMT -5
As I see it "spending" eternity is not quite possible... In this life our actions are bound mostly by time and money, both of which are "spent"....eg; by the "time" we feel we have enough "money" that we could take "time" off work and say, walk the great ocean road(or similar), we may be not able to do so physically because "time" has taken its toll on our bodies. Therefore to go to a place where "time" is not a common denominator is a wondrous thing. May we have faith to believe that His grace is sufficient for us, to take us to a realm where, "time and seasons are no more" ....and so nice to have a church person not reiterating over and over again about fire and brimstone& torture. It speaks volumes. Thanks. I know I am the one who introduced the other thread on eternity and it has been interesting to read different viewpoints but really I am over it. Lol
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Post by howitis on Jun 17, 2018 19:59:37 GMT -5
As I see it "spending" eternity is not quite possible... In this life our actions are bound mostly by time and money, both of which are "spent"....eg; by the "time" we feel we have enough "money" that we could take "time" off work and say, walk the great ocean road(or similar), we may be not able to do so physically because "time" has taken its toll on our bodies. Therefore to go to a place where "time" is not a common denominator is a wondrous thing. May we have faith to believe that His grace is sufficient for us, to take us to a realm where, "time and seasons are no more" ....and so nice to have a church person not reiterating over and over again about fire and brimstone& torture. It speaks volumes. Thanks. I know I am the one who introduced the other thread on eternity and it has been interesting to read different viewpoints but really I am over it. Lol Yes I understand....the question was clear enough, just a personal viewpoint needed, not what was supposedly going to happen to anyone else....sorry even I got carried away, take care xx
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Post by vanillagorilla on Jun 19, 2018 11:25:41 GMT -5
"Rom 3:23 : For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith:"
Of course we come short of the glory of God. However the interpretation mentioned afterwards is your interpretation. I do not read that as no one is good in God's eyes. Coming short of God's glory is a no brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 14:12:45 GMT -5
"Rom 3:23 : For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Now that you know that no one is good in God's eyes, how do we then become good? How do we become vindicated before God? The Bible teaches that we need to have Jesus' righteousness but the only way to do that is to come to Him by faith:" Of course we come short of the glory of God. However the interpretation mentioned afterwards is your interpretation. I do not read that as no one is good in God's eyes. Coming short of God's glory is a no brainer. Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Jun 19, 2018 15:41:34 GMT -5
Thanks Wally. I read every version of this that I can find. but there are a lot of single passages which can be used to prove many points.
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Psalms 139:14 - I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well.
Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We all can throw a verse on the screen to make a point. Mine was that the interpretation was something I disagree with. I do not expect anyone to agree or disagree with me.
We are all looking at very old scripture which was written in an old style and told by witnesses. It was translated and interpreted many times over. In my personal opinion, thinking God does not see us as good while we are on this earth is ridiculous. He is the father, we are his children.
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Post by rational on Jun 19, 2018 20:15:59 GMT -5
Therefore to go to a place where "time" is not a common denominator is a wondrous thing. May we have faith to believe that His grace is sufficient for us, to take us to a realm where, "time and seasons are no more" A place where there is no time would not be an eternal place but a place that would either be over when it started or would be frozen in a steady state since the arrow of time has stopped. Sounds like nirvana - nothingness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 2:45:39 GMT -5
well if i had to place a number on it i would say i am 99.99% sure of where i am going but i will always have that .01% nagging me at the back of my mind....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 3:25:19 GMT -5
well if i had to place a number on it i would say i am 99.99% sure of where i am going but i will always have that .01% nagging me at the back of my mind.... So do you consider you are 99.99% right in your Gods eyes. Just curious.
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Post by Grant on Jun 20, 2018 3:35:27 GMT -5
God's grace covers our imperfections.
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Post by Grant on Jun 20, 2018 3:43:16 GMT -5
Maybe Wally is depending on God's grace for his imperfections. We are made righteous through Christ so we can claim 100% perfection.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 4:01:47 GMT -5
well if i had to place a number on it i would say i am 99.99% sure of where i am going but i will always have that .01% nagging me at the back of my mind.... So do you consider you are 99.99% right in your Gods eyes. Just curious. hmmm different number and harder to say what that would be but as long as i repent Jesus blood saves me from the rest of my failings....
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Post by rational on Jun 20, 2018 8:11:47 GMT -5
God's grace covers our imperfections. Just doing the maths, I believe I ( myself) have more than .1% imperfection. In your own judgement, how do you think you are doing morally?
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Post by snow on Jun 20, 2018 13:23:45 GMT -5
So do you consider you are 99.99% right in your Gods eyes. Just curious. hmmm different number and harder to say what that would be but as long as i repent Jesus blood saves me from the rest of my failings.... I absolutely despise the doctrine of grace. All it tells people is that they are not good enough and that they can never be good enough. Talk about causing "I'm not worthy' issues. If I can't be good enough to get to heaven on my own, then I don't belong there imo.
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Post by rational on Jun 20, 2018 14:05:05 GMT -5
hmmm different number and harder to say what that would be but as long as i repent Jesus blood saves me from the rest of my failings.... I absolutely despise the doctrine of grace. All it tells people is that they are not good enough and that they can never be good enough. Talk about causing "I'm not worthy' issues. If I can't be good enough to get to heaven on my own, then I don't belong there imo. From the little I know about you heaven is not a good destination. And there is no reason for a human blood sacrifice.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 20, 2018 19:14:47 GMT -5
hmmm different number and harder to say what that would be but as long as i repent Jesus blood saves me from the rest of my failings.... I absolutely despise the doctrine of grace. All it tells people is that they are not good enough and that they can never be good enough. Talk about causing "I'm not worthy' issues. If I can't be good enough to get to heaven on my own, then I don't belong there imo. I agree! Further more, -the belief in the "doctrine of grace," just allows them to feel superior.
It is used both as if they are favored by a god as well as an excuse to do things that would be immoral and still not be punished.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 20:43:46 GMT -5
I absolutely despise the doctrine of grace. All it tells people is that they are not good enough and that they can never be good enough. Talk about causing "I'm not worthy' issues. If I can't be good enough to get to heaven on my own, then I don't belong there imo. I agree! Further more, -the belief in the "doctrine of grace," just allows them to feel superior.
It is used both as if they are favored by a god as well as an excuse to do things that would be immoral and still not be punished. i don't feel superior i feel that i just have an advantage over a non-believer....you do know that a christian feels that they are just as much a sinner as the next guy, right?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 20, 2018 21:22:12 GMT -5
I agree! Further more, -the belief in the "doctrine of grace," just allows them to feel superior.
It is used both as if they are favored by a god as well as an excuse to do things that would be immoral and still not be punished. i don't feel superior i feel that i just have an advantage over a non-believer....you do know that a christian feels that they are just as much a sinner as the next guy, right? Wally, you say you just feel "an advantage over a non-believer," -isn't that a feeling of superiority?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 21:25:04 GMT -5
i don't feel superior i feel that i just have an advantage over a non-believer....you do know that a christian feels that they are just as much a sinner as the next guy, right? Wally, you say you just feel "an advantage over a non-believer," -isn't that a feeling of superiority?
not really....
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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2018 12:24:28 GMT -5
I absolutely despise the doctrine of grace. All it tells people is that they are not good enough and that they can never be good enough. Talk about causing "I'm not worthy' issues. If I can't be good enough to get to heaven on my own, then I don't belong there imo. From the little I know about you heaven is not a good destination. And there is no reason for a human blood sacrifice. No, it doesn't seem like we're a good match. I agree, human blood sacrifice has no place in our world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 15:53:59 GMT -5
Just doing the maths, I believe I ( myself) have more than .1% imperfection. In your own judgement, how do you think you are doing morally? Sorry back to you.. I think a quote I have read on here helps me to answer that one. ‘ morality comes not from a book or a guy in the sky but from the idea, how you treat people matters because how people feel, matters’
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:51:10 GMT -5
In your own judgement, how do you think you are doing morally? Sorry back to you.. I think a quote I have read on here helps me to answer that one. ‘ morality comes not from a book or a guy in the sky but from the idea, how you treat people matters because how people feel, matters’ without Christ its all in vain...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 18:53:03 GMT -5
Sorry back to you.. I think a quote I have read on here helps me to answer that one. ‘ morality comes not from a book or a guy in the sky but from the idea, how you treat people matters because how people feel, matters’ without Christ its all in vain... And we realise that is your opinion, your belief...and you are entitled to that.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 24, 2018 19:15:59 GMT -5
Sorry back to you.. I think a quote I have read on here helps me to answer that one. ‘ morality comes not from a book or a guy in the sky but from the idea, how you treat people matters because how people feel, matters’ without Christ its all in vain... We really don't need a "Christ" to tell us what "morality" means.
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