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Post by las logged out on Jul 16, 2006 10:50:26 GMT -5
It's really something that a group which calls itself the truth should cover up it's founder and early history ?
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Post by las again on Jul 16, 2006 10:53:48 GMT -5
I guess it is obvious the 2x2s did not want any to know about the mess left behind
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Post by Purple on Jul 16, 2006 11:44:37 GMT -5
It's really something that a group which calls itself the truth should cover up it's founder and early history ? I think you are mistaken on your observation.
The people in the truth do not call themselves the truth, the way that the bible teaches us to live, etc. is what we call ''the truth''. As opposed to the various teachings found in the so-called 'religious world' which do not follow the way the bible instructed us to live. Thanks
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Post by IQ on Jul 16, 2006 12:08:45 GMT -5
Proverbs 23:23 "Buy the truth, and don't sell it."
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Post by las logged out on Jul 16, 2006 18:14:12 GMT -5
It's really something that a group which calls itself the truth should cover up it's founder and early history ? I think you are mistaken on your observation.
The people in the truth do not call themselves the truth, the way that the bible teaches us to live, etc. is what we call ''the truth''. As opposed to the various teachings found in the so-called 'religious world' which do not follow the way the bible instructed us to live. ThanksAny way you slice it they did dun cover up
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Post by a believer on Jul 16, 2006 19:30:58 GMT -5
The people in your group call your group the truth. And how do other Christians outside of your group live different to those in your group? Your group is part of the 'religious' world you talk about - you show your arrogance when you include all other Christians but yourself in this group.
I agree what right does a group have to call themselves the truth when they lie about their history. Outsiders wouldn't go around lying and saying that Jesus started their group, nor would they say that they are the only ones saved. They would not exclude other born again Christians from being saved and not display the arrogance and ignorance that 'purple' displayed. Salvation is in Jesus not a group.
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Post by no name on Jul 16, 2006 20:34:17 GMT -5
The "2x2" group hates being called the "2x2s", and they don't call themselves by that name. Although they claim to have no name, they very frequengly referr to themselves as "the truth". "The Truth" comes as close as anything to being the groups name...albeit unofficial. Since they are constantly referring to themselves as "the truth"....it is hard not to say that this is their name.
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Post by gg on Jul 16, 2006 21:22:15 GMT -5
The people in the truth do not call themselves the truth, the way that the bible teaches us to live, etc. is what we call ''the truth''. As opposed to the various teachings found in the so-called 'religious world' which do not follow the way the bible instructed us to live. Thanks [/color][/quote] I'd say that's quite a bit closer to the truth than the surmise of the original poster.
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Post by Simple on Jul 16, 2006 21:47:01 GMT -5
The people in the truth do not call themselves the truth, the way that the bible teaches us to live, etc. is what we call ''the truth''. As opposed to the various teachings found in the so-called 'religious world' which do not follow the way the bible instructed us to live. Thanks [/color][/quote] I'd say that's quite a bit closer to the truth than the surmise of the original poster.[/quote] Living as "special" people is always fun. They are all over the place. Oh so special they tell each other. Enlightened beyond compare no doubt. Afraid to see how things really are.
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Post by simply humble on Jul 16, 2006 22:30:22 GMT -5
I'd say that's quite a bit closer to the truth than the surmise of the original poster. Living as "special" people is always fun. They are all over the place. Oh so special they tell each other. Enlightened beyond compare no doubt. Afraid to see how things really are. You shouldn't talk about yourself like that, perhaps you need to profess again so you can know true humility.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 17, 2006 0:19:54 GMT -5
The workers and their friends do not call their way or their church "the truth". "The truth" is the sum of their beliefs or their core beliefs. The apostle John used the term or the reference in his letters.
3 John 1:3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.
3 John 1:8 We therefore ought to receive such, that we might be fellowhelpers to the truth.
That being said, I think there is a difference in these beliefs of what "the truth" is. Both the apostles and their converts and the workers and their converts believe the truth is "Jesus is the Son of God and he was crucified and resurrected and ascended to heaven and belief in him brings everlasting life". To this the workers and their friends (the verbal ones, the hardliners anyway) believe that Jesus also came to establish a certain ministry form.
The same is similar of "the gospel" and 'the way". Paul indicated in letters that both are of Jesus and his crucifixion and resurrection and ascension. To this the workers and some (many/most?) of their converts/friends add the necessity of their ministry.
And thus, when the question is asked "Does s/he profess?" the meaning is "do they come to meeting and accept the workers' ministry?". Belief in the death and resurrection and ascension is inherent in any Christian or pseudo-Christian church. That goes or should go without saying or asking. But for many of the workers and their friends there is the need and the question of adding to such by requiring attendance to the workers' meetings and an acceptance of the necessity of their ministry. Of course any in the workers' church accepting the workers' ministry but not the necessity of it to the exclusion of other ministers simply do not "possess" the truth nor do those that do not "fit in".
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Post by a believer on Jul 17, 2006 1:57:36 GMT -5
I disagree Greg. Being a b&r the workers and those who attend meetings do call their church the truth. They believe their group is the truth and all others are false. We certainly called the group the truth. It was a name that we used when talking to each other. Another name we used was the way. After I left meetings I realized that the truth and the way was Jesus not our group.
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Post by Casper on Jul 17, 2006 2:24:39 GMT -5
I agree with Greg.
Jesus asked Peter "who do you say I am."
Peter said "you are Christ, the son of the living God."
and Jesus answered, "and thou art Peter, and on this Rock (truth or whatever) <the fact that Peter recognized that Christ was the son of the living God> I will build my church."
I believe that that is the "truth". If we have that revelation, that Christ is the son of the living God, then we walk in the "truth".
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Post by jxr on Jul 17, 2006 21:11:50 GMT -5
I find it funny that phrase, stopped coming to meetings is sometimes used to define an ex. Meeting attendance is a strange metric to use in assessing ones christianinty status. I'm sure there are many who attend meetings who truely don't believe, but attend for the social intercourse.
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