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Post by Gene on Apr 24, 2021 15:44:52 GMT -5
It's not debatable. It's part of the sore-loser crybaby Trumpist nonsense. www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/congress-set-count-trump-biden-electoral-college-votes-here-s-n1252609Verifying the vote count is constitutionally required, but it has become largely procedural — electors officially cast their votes on Dec. 14, and Joe Biden defeated President Donald Trump by 306-232, a result Trump referred to as a "landslide" when he won with the same numbers in 2016. Unlike Trump then, Biden also won the popular vote, garnering 7 million more votes than Trump. Further dampening the momentum is that there's been no evidence of any widespread fraud, despite wild claims by Trump and his allies that he actually won the swing states that Biden won because the election was "rigged" by vote-switching machines, dead voters, phony ballots and improper rule changes. Election officials have conducted recounts and audits in many of the states Trump has complained about, and federal and state officials and federal and state courts have found no evidence of any widespread fraud; they have repeatedly debunked Trump allies' claims, conjectures and flawed legal theories. A handful of fraud cases have been uncovered in key states — in Pennsylvania, three Republicans have been charged with illegally voting for Trump — but nothing large-scale that comes close to Biden's margin of victory in those states. there was probable fraud and the rule/law they were trying to use is debatable hence why it did not get used like they wanted...... The fraud is not just probable -- it definitely happened! GOP Rep reveals 2020 election fraud
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2021 15:46:19 GMT -5
It's even less debatable than "patriot" Trump's bone spurs. Pence knew there was no constitutional justification for stopping the count. Cry-baby Trump was pathetically desperate, because he hates losers and couldn't accept the he was one. I found it quite amusing that Commander in Chief Trump did not have the balls to wear his countries uniform. Even worse was his groteque comments about those that did. Commander in Chief Trump, who had sworn to defend the constitution, sent his storm troopers to attack the Capitol police and disrupt the constitutional process. It reminds me of somebody else in history.
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2021 15:48:43 GMT -5
Then present it to a court and let your evidence be judged. Until you do that you are like a man punching the air. yeah right, an average citizen like me having access to election fraud affidavits? that'll be the day....good try though I thought you had "government of the people, by the people, for the people"?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2021 15:49:52 GMT -5
Then present it to a court and let your evidence be judged. Until you do that you are like a man punching the air. yeah right, an average citizen like me having access to election fraud affidavits? that'll be the day....good try though Where exactly did you get your evidence from that you say you reviewed?
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Post by Lee on Apr 24, 2021 15:56:51 GMT -5
There’s no way in hell Biden was legitimately elected. In Northern California, although its occupied, we have Trump Biden signs 100:1, even to this day!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 15:58:32 GMT -5
US presidents are under no obligation to wear anything specific there is no official dress code, a suit and tie will do or bermuda shorts and a led zepplin t-shirt. and NO president wears a military uniform unless he's been in the military. I am referring to the manner in which he evaded wearing your countries uniform when he was young. ah my mistake then.... but in reality bone/heel spurs are sometimes disqualifying for military service. as you march everywhere. and must wear military footwear. and in the case of the marines and army must carry loads of up to 80+ pounds...your feet are crucial in the military...you can even get into trouble for not taking care of them too...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 16:00:22 GMT -5
yeah right, an average citizen like me having access to election fraud affidavits? that'll be the day....good try though I thought you had "government of the people, by the people, for the people"? if you know of a way to access those affidavits or anything to do with the election fraud let me know....i won't be holding my breath though...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2021 16:00:38 GMT -5
Welcome to illusions
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 16:03:06 GMT -5
yeah right, an average citizen like me having access to election fraud affidavits? that'll be the day....good try though Where exactly did you get your evidence from that you say you reviewed? didn't say i reviewed evidence. i did review the cases and as to the way things were dismissed or denied or thrown out. go back through my posts and see for yourself....
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2021 16:11:27 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2021 16:16:14 GMT -5
240 pages Is that like the written piece that guarantees that you would go to heaven
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2021 16:17:39 GMT -5
240 pages Is that like the written piece that guarantees that you would go to heaven ? Hand written by humans ? Just curious 🤨
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 24, 2021 16:19:59 GMT -5
Peace out ✌️ for today ! Just too much , I don’t want a headache 🤕 Back to chillin . Diamond dots now
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2021 16:32:33 GMT -5
Here's an article in the New Zealand press that you might consider "debatable" Wally: www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/124890385/if-trump-isnt-charged-then-thats-thatWhy isn’t Trump in jail? It’s only fair that he should be. Fairness is hard to define and even harder to achieve, but the sense of it is instinctive. Children know exactly what’s fair and what isn’t. Fairness put into legal effect is justice, and justice is famously blind because it treats all people impartially, regardless of status. The USA has a Department of Justice. So why isn’t Trump in jail? What crimes should he be tried for? Take your pick from sexual crime, financial crime, homicide by negligence, and treason, though there are doubtless others. Twenty or so women have accused Trump of sexual assault, going back decades. Their stories are similar to each other, but even more similar to Trump’s own confession. On the Access Hollywood tape he boasts of doing exactly what he’s accused of – thrusting himself on women uninvited, kissing them, grabbing them by the crotch, and all because “when you’re a star they let you do it”. Why hasn’t he been charged? Trump is a bundle of psychopathic urges dressed in a suit and red hat. He wants sex, so he takes it. He wants money, so he takes that too. His supposed university was a scam and has been closed down. His supposed charity was a scam and has been closed down. He’s undoubtedly laundered foreign money through his real estate. “We get all the money we need out of Russia,” said one of his stupid sons. But, as with that other criminal Capone, the way to get him is on his taxes. You can guarantee he’s cheated on his taxes, which is why he’s refused to release his tax returns. But if you or I had cheated on our taxes it wouldn’t matter if we released our tax returns or not. We’d simply be charged. Why hasn’t Trump been charged? As president, Trump took an oath to protect his country and its citizens. But when a pandemic occurred he ignored scientific advice, called the virus a hoax and held events that spread the disease. Over half a million Americans have died. Under an honest president hundreds of thousands of them would have lived. Why hasn’t Trump been charged with homicide by wilful negligence? And with treason. We know for a fact that Russia helped manipulate the election that Trump won. And we know for a fact that Trump’s campaign manager fed information to a Russian spy who fed it to the Kremlin. That campaign manager was Paul Manafort, who was later convicted of various crimes and imprisoned, whereupon Trump pardoned him. But Trump had the power to pardon him only because of the election win that they had both conspired with Russia to achieve. Conspiring with a foreign power against the USA is treason. Why hasn’t Trump been charged? Hundreds of Trump supporters have been charged with violently invading the Capitol. They invaded because they believed Trump won the election. And they believed that because Trump told them. Without Trump’s lie no crime would have occurred. They were the criminal foot soldiers, but he was the criminal commander. Why hasn’t he been charged? It may be that the Department of Justice is still cocking its gun. I hope so. If Trump goes on trial he’ll be exposed for the malignant conman he is. When he goes to jail the grifters and parasites who fawned on him will slither away. But if he isn’t charged, that’s that. Justice will not have been done. The grifters and parasites will be emboldened. And a new and worse Trump will arise for them to slobber over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 16:51:26 GMT -5
Here's an article in the New Zealand press that you might consider "debatable" Wally: www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/124890385/if-trump-isnt-charged-then-thats-thatWhy isn’t Trump in jail? It’s only fair that he should be. Fairness is hard to define and even harder to achieve, but the sense of it is instinctive. Children know exactly what’s fair and what isn’t. Fairness put into legal effect is justice, and justice is famously blind because it treats all people impartially, regardless of status. The USA has a Department of Justice. So why isn’t Trump in jail? What crimes should he be tried for? Take your pick from sexual crime, financial crime, homicide by negligence, and treason, though there are doubtless others. Twenty or so women have accused Trump of sexual assault, going back decades. Their stories are similar to each other, but even more similar to Trump’s own confession. On the Access Hollywood tape he boasts of doing exactly what he’s accused of – thrusting himself on women uninvited, kissing them, grabbing them by the crotch, and all because “when you’re a star they let you do it”. Why hasn’t he been charged? Trump is a bundle of psychopathic urges dressed in a suit and red hat. He wants sex, so he takes it. He wants money, so he takes that too. His supposed university was a scam and has been closed down. His supposed charity was a scam and has been closed down. He’s undoubtedly laundered foreign money through his real estate. “We get all the money we need out of Russia,” said one of his stupid sons. But, as with that other criminal Capone, the way to get him is on his taxes. You can guarantee he’s cheated on his taxes, which is why he’s refused to release his tax returns. But if you or I had cheated on our taxes it wouldn’t matter if we released our tax returns or not. We’d simply be charged. Why hasn’t Trump been charged? As president, Trump took an oath to protect his country and its citizens. But when a pandemic occurred he ignored scientific advice, called the virus a hoax and held events that spread the disease. Over half a million Americans have died. Under an honest president hundreds of thousands of them would have lived. Why hasn’t Trump been charged with homicide by wilful negligence? And with treason. We know for a fact that Russia helped manipulate the election that Trump won. And we know for a fact that Trump’s campaign manager fed information to a Russian spy who fed it to the Kremlin. That campaign manager was Paul Manafort, who was later convicted of various crimes and imprisoned, whereupon Trump pardoned him. But Trump had the power to pardon him only because of the election win that they had both conspired with Russia to achieve. Conspiring with a foreign power against the USA is treason. Why hasn’t Trump been charged? Hundreds of Trump supporters have been charged with violently invading the Capitol. They invaded because they believed Trump won the election. And they believed that because Trump told them. Without Trump’s lie no crime would have occurred. They were the criminal foot soldiers, but he was the criminal commander. Why hasn’t he been charged? It may be that the Department of Justice is still cocking its gun. I hope so. If Trump goes on trial he’ll be exposed for the malignant conman he is. When he goes to jail the grifters and parasites who fawned on him will slither away. But if he isn’t charged, that’s that. Justice will not have been done. The grifters and parasites will be emboldened. And a new and worse Trump will arise for them to slobber over. debatable sure, and some of that has been debunked like russia russia russia....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 17:03:08 GMT -5
i will go through it, but 1. that is only michigan where are the other 5 states in question? 2. at best it looks like 234(its probably less than that)affidavits where are the other 266-766 affidavits?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2021 17:14:41 GMT -5
Here's an article in the New Zealand press that you might consider "debatable" Wally: www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/124890385/if-trump-isnt-charged-then-thats-thatWhy isn’t Trump in jail? It’s only fair that he should be. Fairness is hard to define and even harder to achieve, but the sense of it is instinctive. Children know exactly what’s fair and what isn’t. Fairness put into legal effect is justice, and justice is famously blind because it treats all people impartially, regardless of status. The USA has a Department of Justice. So why isn’t Trump in jail? What crimes should he be tried for? Take your pick from sexual crime, financial crime, homicide by negligence, and treason, though there are doubtless others. Twenty or so women have accused Trump of sexual assault, going back decades. Their stories are similar to each other, but even more similar to Trump’s own confession. On the Access Hollywood tape he boasts of doing exactly what he’s accused of – thrusting himself on women uninvited, kissing them, grabbing them by the crotch, and all because “when you’re a star they let you do it”. Why hasn’t he been charged? Trump is a bundle of psychopathic urges dressed in a suit and red hat. He wants sex, so he takes it. He wants money, so he takes that too. His supposed university was a scam and has been closed down. His supposed charity was a scam and has been closed down. He’s undoubtedly laundered foreign money through his real estate. “We get all the money we need out of Russia,” said one of his stupid sons. But, as with that other criminal Capone, the way to get him is on his taxes. You can guarantee he’s cheated on his taxes, which is why he’s refused to release his tax returns. But if you or I had cheated on our taxes it wouldn’t matter if we released our tax returns or not. We’d simply be charged. Why hasn’t Trump been charged? As president, Trump took an oath to protect his country and its citizens. But when a pandemic occurred he ignored scientific advice, called the virus a hoax and held events that spread the disease. Over half a million Americans have died. Under an honest president hundreds of thousands of them would have lived. Why hasn’t Trump been charged with homicide by wilful negligence? And with treason. We know for a fact that Russia helped manipulate the election that Trump won. And we know for a fact that Trump’s campaign manager fed information to a Russian spy who fed it to the Kremlin. That campaign manager was Paul Manafort, who was later convicted of various crimes and imprisoned, whereupon Trump pardoned him. But Trump had the power to pardon him only because of the election win that they had both conspired with Russia to achieve. Conspiring with a foreign power against the USA is treason. Why hasn’t Trump been charged? Hundreds of Trump supporters have been charged with violently invading the Capitol. They invaded because they believed Trump won the election. And they believed that because Trump told them. Without Trump’s lie no crime would have occurred. They were the criminal foot soldiers, but he was the criminal commander. Why hasn’t he been charged? It may be that the Department of Justice is still cocking its gun. I hope so. If Trump goes on trial he’ll be exposed for the malignant conman he is. When he goes to jail the grifters and parasites who fawned on him will slither away. But if he isn’t charged, that’s that. Justice will not have been done. The grifters and parasites will be emboldened. And a new and worse Trump will arise for them to slobber over. Thanks for posting that Fixit, I read it yesterday and he makes some very valid points.
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2021 19:06:14 GMT -5
i will go through it, but 1. that is only michigan where are the other 5 states in question? 2. at best it looks like 234(its probably less than that)affidavits where are the other 266-766 affidavits? I think you'll find them online if you're serious enough. The Trump campaign could have made the affidavits easily accessible if they wanted Trump's minions to know the truth.
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Post by Dan on Apr 24, 2021 22:08:40 GMT -5
Neither did Commander in Chief Biden.
I thought you had "government of the people, by the people, for the people"?
So did we, that's what the January 6th protest was all about.
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Post by fixit on Apr 24, 2021 22:17:31 GMT -5
Neither did Commander in Chief Biden.
I thought you had "government of the people, by the people, for the people"? So did we, that's what the January 6th protest was all about.
Biden won 81 million votes, 7 million more than Trump. Trump wouldn't have accepted a loss no matter how many votes Biden won.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 24, 2021 22:18:44 GMT -5
Neither did Commander in Chief Biden.
I thought you had "government of the people, by the people, for the people"?
So did we, that's what the January 6th protest was all about.
That is true about Biden. Asthma was the reason. However I do not recall him mocking anyone such as McCain. January the sixth was an act of anarchy by the losers
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Post by Dan on Apr 24, 2021 23:06:00 GMT -5
Biden won 81 million votes, 7 million more than Trump. Trump wouldn't have accepted a loss no matter how many votes Biden won.
The question was never about the final vote count, but where the votes emanated from. Election rules were changed, ballots were not authenticated, state election rules were ignored, etc... On election night, Trump had huge leads in states like Pennsylvania and had won the election, but his +million vote advantage dissipated until 4 days later when unauthenticated votes magically came out of the woodwork for Biden. These illegal votes were post marked days after the deadline, and cast by unidentified voters.
That is true about Biden. Asthma was the reason. However I do not recall him mocking anyone such as McCain. January the sixth was an act of anarchy by the losers
Trump just said that he didn't consider McCain to be a hero, simply because he did nothing heroic in the combat sense of the word. McCain was shot down and taken prisoner. January 6th was a protest turned violent by disgruntled voters who were convinced that election fraud had occurred, they simply wanted it independently investigated. While I disapproved of their methodology, I certainly understood their frustration and anger.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 25, 2021 0:03:38 GMT -5
Biden won 81 million votes, 7 million more than Trump. Trump wouldn't have accepted a loss no matter how many votes Biden won. The question was never about the final vote count, but where the votes emanated from. Election rules were changed, ballots were not authenticated, state election rules were ignored, etc... On election night, Trump had huge leads in states like Pennsylvania and had won the election, but his +million vote advantage dissipated until 4 days later when unauthenticated votes magically came out of the woodwork for Biden. These illegal votes were post marked days after the deadline, and cast by unidentified voters.
That is true about Biden. Asthma was the reason. However I do not recall him mocking anyone such as McCain. January the sixth was an act of anarchy by the losers Trump just said that he didn't consider McCain to be a hero, simply because he did nothing heroic in the combat sense of the word. McCain was shot down and taken prisoner. January 6th was a protest turned violent by disgruntled voters who were convinced that election fraud had occurred, they simply wanted it independently investigated. While I disapproved of their methodology, I certainly understood their frustration and anger.
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Post by fixit on Apr 25, 2021 5:04:45 GMT -5
Biden won 81 million votes, 7 million more than Trump. Trump wouldn't have accepted a loss no matter how many votes Biden won. The question was never about the final vote count, but where the votes emanated from. Election rules were changed, ballots were not authenticated, state election rules were ignored, etc... On election night, Trump had huge leads in states like Pennsylvania and had won the election, but his +million vote advantage dissipated until 4 days later when unauthenticated votes magically came out of the woodwork for Biden. These illegal votes were post marked days after the deadline, and cast by unidentified voters.
Try explaining that to the Trump-appointed Attorney General: US attorney general finds 'no voter fraud that could overturn election'
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Post by fixit on Apr 25, 2021 14:31:01 GMT -5
it will be proved to be a lie What is a lie? When will it be proved a lie?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 25, 2021 23:10:17 GMT -5
What is a lie? When will it be proved a lie? I will go so far as to say within the nxt 3mths highly likely sooner Give or take a decade or two, I expect.
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Post by fixit on Apr 25, 2021 23:34:03 GMT -5
What is a lie? When will it be proved a lie? I will go so far as to say within the nxt 3mths highly likely sooner What is the lie?
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Post by Grant on Apr 26, 2021 0:06:23 GMT -5
I will go so far as to say within the nxt 3mths highly likely sooner Give or take a decade or two, I expect. Nathan's been telling us for 20 years and we're still waiting.
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