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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 8:00:12 GMT -5
I believe we have in fact enough workers but they are under utilized.Instead of sending them to area's that still have not heard the Gospel they are kept hanging around year in and year out in area's that have all ready heard the Gospel.On the other hand the friends and elders have hardly had any say about anything and could also be utilize more effectively.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 11:59:05 GMT -5
I believe we have in fact enough workers but they are under utilized.Instead of sending them to area's that still have not heard the Gospel they are kept hanging around year in and year out in area's that have all ready heard the Gospel.On the other hand the friends and elders have hardly had any say about anything and could also be utilize more effectively. Surely to send them in areas that have not heard the Gospel would be like sending them as strangers in the wilderness/paradise without support from friends, wouldn't it? What suggestions do you have for the utilization of the friends and elders as regards the harvest fields or any other areas? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 15:44:31 GMT -5
I believe we have in fact enough workers but they are under utilized.Instead of sending them to area's that still have not heard the Gospel they are kept hanging around year in and year out in area's that have all ready heard the Gospel.On the other hand the friends and elders have hardly had any say about anything and could also be utilize more effectively. i think clearday suggested we had about 1500-2000 workers spread out over the world they have alot of area to cover so i am not sure they could be doing much more traveling then they already do...we need more workers |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 9:24:47 GMT -5
I believe we have in fact enough workers but they are under utilized.Instead of sending them to area's that still have not heard the Gospel they are kept hanging around year in and year out in area's that have all ready heard the Gospel.On the other hand the friends and elders have hardly had any say about anything and could also be utilize more effectively. Surely to send them in areas that have not heard the Gospel would be like sending them as strangers in the wilderness/paradise without support from friends, wouldn't it? What suggestions do you have for the utilization of the friends and elders as regards the harvest fields or any other areas? The workers would still get the financial support from the friends but they would be doing what they were called to be doing,spreading the Gospel.The elders and friends don't have to keep Gospel meetings but I am sure they can handle the other tasks that are usually done by the workers.When there is a funeral the elder in the area can take it and if he is not available one of the other men in the meetings can take it,same with weddings.Conventions time we can have different groups for the different ages and have different activities on the level of each age group that will help them to understand the practical implementation of Christianity in their lives.We can have married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children that would be more of a help to married couples.Every area can have a group of friends that can handle things that come up that needs to be discussed and together they can pray about whatever the situation is and come up with a solution.As Christians our lives should attract those that live close to us or at our work and if they are interested in being baptized the elders can handle that to(no waiting time,immediate baptism as in the N.T). If you read the N.T and see how things were done by the first church then that would be pretty much what I have in mind.As far as I can see we are way to depended on the workers for spiritual guidance and even domestic guidance.They are not married so it is not wise to go to them with issues that they have no experience with.And as far as spiritual guidance we have or should have the Holy Spirit to guide us, we are not back in the O.T were the Jews had to be guided by the priests,Prophets and leaders as Moses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 9:31:11 GMT -5
I believe we have in fact enough workers but they are under utilized.Instead of sending them to area's that still have not heard the Gospel they are kept hanging around year in and year out in area's that have all ready heard the Gospel.On the other hand the friends and elders have hardly had any say about anything and could also be utilize more effectively. i think clearday suggested we had about 1500-2000 workers spread out over the world they have alot of area to cover so i am not sure they could be doing much more traveling then they already do...we need more workers I would suggest taking out of those 1500-2000 workers those that are able and send them to places that have not had the Gospel preached to them, we are more than able to take care of the rest at home as I explained below.That is what they are called to do so they should be willing to go.I don't just see the workers though as sole preachers of the Gospel but there are those out of our fellowship that are also spreading the Gospel. The workers would still get the financial support from the friends but they would be doing what they were called to be doing,spreading the Gospel.The elders and friends don't have to keep Gospel meetings but I am sure they can handle the other tasks that are usually done by the workers.When there is a funeral the elder in the area can take it and if he is not available one of the other men in the meetings can take it,same with weddings.Conventions time we can have different groups for the different ages and have different activities on the level of each age group that will help them to understand the practical implementation of Christianity in their lives.We can have married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children that would be more of a help to married couples.Every area can have a group of friends that can handle things that come up that needs to be discussed and together they can pray about whatever the situation is and come up with a solution.As Christians our lives should attract those that live close to us or at our work and if they are interested in being baptized the elders can handle that to(no waiting time,immediate baptism as in the N.T). If you read the N.T and see how things were done by the first church then that would be pretty much what I have in mind.As far as I can see we are way to depended on the workers for spiritual guidance and even domestic guidance.They are not married so it is not wise to go to them with issues that they have no experience with.And as far as spiritual guidance we have or should have the Holy Spirit to guide us, we are not back in the O.T were the Jews had to be guided by the priests,Prophets and leaders as Moses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 11:14:48 GMT -5
Very innovative suggestions but I am afraid the fellowship is not receptive to such changes, they are much too much like what goes on in some "worldly churches" committes etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 20:03:39 GMT -5
Very innovative suggestions but I am afraid the fellowship is not receptive to such changes, they are much too much like what goes on in some "worldly churches" committes etc. I know,but it is nice to daydream  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 5:21:53 GMT -5
All being well I will ask the workers in our area to have a meeting with our local church and explain to them out of the Bible why they(not me) view them as a "false church". Convention preps are around the corner so I will have to wait until after convention. The apostles had no qualms in going right into the Jewish synagogues and tell them why they were not saved.
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Post by christiansburg on Jul 8, 2016 20:10:19 GMT -5
All being well I will ask the workers in our area to have a meeting with our local church and explain to them out of the Bible why they(not me) view them as a "false church". Convention preps are around the corner so I will have to wait until after convention. The apostles had no qualms in going right into the Jewish synagogues and tell them why they were not saved. I personally believe this is going to happen again some day but for now doors are closed in many places. |
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 8, 2016 21:00:47 GMT -5
I would suggest taking out of those 1500-2000 workers those that are able and send them to places that have not had the Gospel preached to them, we are more than able to take care of the rest at home as I explained below. That is what they are called to do so they should be willing to go. I don't just see the workers though as sole preachers of the Gospel but there are those out of our fellowship that are also spreading the Gospel. The workers would still get the financial support from the friends but they would be doing what they were called to be doing,spreading the Gospel. The elders and friends don't have to keep Gospel meetings but I am sure they can handle the other tasks that are usually done by the workers. When there is a funeral the elder in the area can take it and if he is not available one of the other men in the meetings can take it, same with weddings. Conventions time we can have different groups for the different ages and have different activities on the level of each age group that will help them to understand the practical implementation of Christianity in their lives. We can have married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children that would be more of a help to married couples. Every area can have a group of friends that can handle things that come up that needs to be discussed and together they can pray about whatever the situation is and come up with a solution. As Christians our lives should attract those that live close to us or at our work and if they are interested in being baptized the elders can handle that to (no waiting time,immediate baptism as in the N.T). If you read the N.T and see how things were done by the first church then that would be pretty much what I have in mind. As far as I can see we are way to depended on the workers for spiritual guidance and even domestic guidance. They are not married so it is not wise to go to them with issues that they have no experience with. And as far as spiritual guidance we have or should have the Holy Spirit to guide us, we are not back in the O.T were the Jews had to be guided by the priests,Prophets and leaders as Moses.
Umfolozi, were you born and raised in the *TRUTH*?
When did workers start officiating at WEDDINGS?
How would you go about organizing the kinds of programs of implementation of Christianity in their lives, such as married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children etc.?
What criteria would be used to select the leaders of such groups, as well as criteria as to what standards to be used for implementing such programs?
I can't even imagine that workers would ever let that kind of control out of their hands, -not even for a second!
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As for consulting the "first church," remember:
Acts 2:43 -46
"43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts..."
Do you think that the people professing today would ever be willing to do that?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2016 7:07:19 GMT -5
I would suggest taking out of those 1500-2000 workers those that are able and send them to places that have not had the Gospel preached to them, we are more than able to take care of the rest at home as I explained below. That is what they are called to do so they should be willing to go. I don't just see the workers though as sole preachers of the Gospel but there are those out of our fellowship that are also spreading the Gospel. The workers would still get the financial support from the friends but they would be doing what they were called to be doing,spreading the Gospel. The elders and friends don't have to keep Gospel meetings but I am sure they can handle the other tasks that are usually done by the workers. When there is a funeral the elder in the area can take it and if he is not available one of the other men in the meetings can take it, same with weddings. Conventions time we can have different groups for the different ages and have different activities on the level of each age group that will help them to understand the practical implementation of Christianity in their lives. We can have married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children that would be more of a help to married couples. Every area can have a group of friends that can handle things that come up that needs to be discussed and together they can pray about whatever the situation is and come up with a solution. As Christians our lives should attract those that live close to us or at our work and if they are interested in being baptized the elders can handle that to (no waiting time,immediate baptism as in the N.T). If you read the N.T and see how things were done by the first church then that would be pretty much what I have in mind. As far as I can see we are way to depended on the workers for spiritual guidance and even domestic guidance. They are not married so it is not wise to go to them with issues that they have no experience with. And as far as spiritual guidance we have or should have the Holy Spirit to guide us, we are not back in the O.T were the Jews had to be guided by the priests,Prophets and leaders as Moses.
Umfolozi, were you born and raised in the *TRUTH*?
Umfolozi:Yes.
When did workers start officiating at WEDDINGS?
Umfolozi: The workers have a part in weddings in South -Africa.
How would you go about organizing the kinds of programs of implementation of Christianity in their lives, such as married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children etc.?
What criteria would be used to select the leaders of such groups, as well as criteria as to what standards to be used for implementing such programs?
I can't even imagine that workers would ever let that kind of control out of their hands, -not even for a second!
Umfolozi:It's nice to daydream .If the overseers that I have corresponded to about serious things in the fellowship gave me the cold shoulder imagine if I had to come up with the above  I have how ever asked my overseer if he has received my second e mail and I asked him if their was a group of friends/workers that handled different situations that pop up and if not that that would be a good idea to have such a group,we will see what he say's if he replies,he has not replied to my second e mail for more than a month,so I am not keeping my hopes up.
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As for consulting the "first church," remember:
Acts 2:43 -46
"43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts..."
Do you think that the people professing today would ever be willing to do that?
Umfolozi:The experience we as a family had when we went through rough times and in some states did not even get a call from the friends in our meetings to ask how we were doing,I can tell you that those meetings would not be able to do that,there might be some friends that could and would,I can just guess they would be few and far between.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2016 18:29:52 GMT -5
WOW!
Umfolozi, were you born and raised in the *TRUTH*?
Umfolozi:Yes.
When did workers start officiating at WEDDINGS?
Umfolozi: The workers have a part in weddings in South -Africa.
How would you go about organizing the kinds of programs of implementation of Christianity in their lives, such as married couples talking about things pertaining to marriage and children etc.?
What criteria would be used to select the leaders of such groups, as well as criteria as to what standards to be used for implementing such programs?
I can't even imagine that workers would ever let that kind of control out of their hands, -not even for a second!
Umfolozi:
It's nice to daydream
.If the overseers that I have corresponded to about serious things in the fellowship gave me the cold shoulder imagine if I had to come up with the above
I have how ever asked my overseer if he has received my second e mail and I asked him if their was a group of friends/workers that handled different situations that pop up and if not that that would be a good idea to have such a group,we will see what he say's if he replies,he has not replied to my second e mail for more than a month,so I am not keeping my hopes up.
PS,
As for consulting the "first church," remember:
Acts 2:43 -46
"43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles. 44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts..."
Do you think that the people professing today would ever be willing to do that?
Umfolozi:
The experience we as a family had when we went through rough times and in some states did not even get a call from the friends in our meetings to ask how we were doing,
I can tell you that those meetings would not be able to do that,
there might be some friends that could and would,I can just guess they would be few and far between.
Yes, -I agree, -it is nice to "daydream!" |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jul 15, 2016 18:02:38 GMT -5
I would suggest taking out of those 1500-2000 workers those that are able and send them to places that have not had the Gospel preached to them, we are more than able to take care of the rest at home as I explained below. That is what they are called to do so they should be willing to go. Is it you who determine their calling? How can you say who is called to travel to faraway lands and who is not? Maybe some of the "workers" aren't called to that? Maybe some of them are called to help disciple local congregations over an extended period of time? Certainly there is room for more travelling and preaching in other lands. It should be encouraged. But I can't tell someone else that he is called to do that. Those you call "workers" need not be the "sole preachers". All Christians should be workers. Some are also preachers. Sure, but they could do gospel meetings sometimes too, couldn't they? Sure. In many places that's how weddings are handled. The Bible doesn't say who must speak at a wedding or a funeral. Probably there's a natural tendency to let those who are already accustomed to giving long speeches regularly do it, though. It doesn't mean it always must be that way. Probably there are examples somewhere in the world of funerals being handled by other than "workers"? Well, eh, that doesn't sound much like convention, does it? Segregate everyone into different groups? No thanks. Convention is a time of coming together. Let it stay that way. Let's not put barriers in the way of people of different ages, etc., having fellowship and friendship with one another. Where would their children be at the time? Sure. Do that. Yes, we should be witnesses for God, and yes, no need to delay baptism. That's good in principle but some of the above, such as segregation into sub-groups, I don't see in the New Testament, even though a lot of modern churches do that. True that all Christians should be guided by the Holy Spirit and not dependent on men. |
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I have how ever asked my overseer if he has received my second e mail and I asked him if their was a group of friends/workers that handled different situations that pop up and if not that that would be a good idea to have such a group,we will see what he say's if he replies,he has not replied to my second e mail for more than a month,so I am not keeping my hopes up.