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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Dec 17, 2018 16:35:15 GMT -5
Creation has no goal.
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Post by quest on Dec 17, 2018 18:34:39 GMT -5
Hmmm,how about to communicate in the most profound manner(s)? Along with a zillions of other goals (except for the goal of collecting the most toys? ) 🛵 ha,
JMT
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Post by quest on Dec 18, 2018 3:12:46 GMT -5
speaking of communication, There has been a phenomenal number of manners to communicate that have been proliferating in “just the past few decades” ? And the trend has taken over all aspects of our lives, maybe more important than the manner in which we have been seeking proper nourishments for our body and soul.... why is that so vital?? Of course, It seems to be the driving force of the social media, etc, etc
Now, can we perfectly protect this for everyone to enjoy? That is just as an important goal of mine and it should be considered just as vital.... IMO, IMO JMT
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Post by quest on Dec 18, 2018 3:32:21 GMT -5
which becomes a dilemma, “how free —should freedom of speech become, ??”
problems with the manners and ways that humans have communicated, seem to be traceable all the way back to the great Tower of Babel fiasco!
Surely we should have learned a few lessons along the journey?
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Post by quest on Dec 18, 2018 3:43:24 GMT -5
which becomes a dilemma, “how free —should freedom of speech become, ??” problems with the manners and ways that humans have communicated, seem to be traceable all the way back to the great Tower of Babel fiasco! Surely we should have learned a few lessons along the journey? In other words ( or manner of speaking) , are we disciplined to “filter “ out the garbage” , or should the “garbage” be the responsibility of the receiver of said tweeting, etc, etc it’s going to be a very serious problem , and it/answer will give us a better understanding of What “freedom” means to some and doesn’t mean to others.... JMT, IMO.
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Post by quest on Dec 18, 2018 8:59:48 GMT -5
So then , briefly, our amazing bodies certainly appear to be designed/created in order to have this great avenue of community/connection/communication.
(i think the word “communication “ implies/means : manner of living ).
we talk, sing, dance, act, lecture, instruct, tweet, text, E-mail, postal, visit, travel, work, listen, demonstrate, emulate, draw, write, paint, create , play, ....etc, etc
alas... even so , we haven’t overcome all , we haven’t become “perfect” yet?? , we fight and argue over who Is Right, sad to say , this will do us in, if we don’t find out how to better communicate with our Creator.
IMO
musing again....
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Post by quest on Dec 18, 2018 11:40:49 GMT -5
Not only do the trillions of cells in each human depend on a profound level of inter-action (ie: communication)within their body,
So too do these same cells of one human depend upon a
very conscious inter-action with other (people) cells from
other humans. Cells are very very interesting creations, IMO
Got to keep them ALL happy, you know!! 🤔
JMT
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Post by quest on Dec 18, 2018 13:04:33 GMT -5
So in the interest of studying biology, what is the better term for cell reproduction? —-creating, producing, reproducing , growing, “evolving”(for those still fighting to use that failing concept!)
so IMO, I go with the concept of creating, as it seems to discribe the manner of using the materials and instructions and making/creating another cell. IMO
So then, communication is so very vital in this processess. And it’s so useful and necessary Where would we be without it??
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Post by quest on Dec 19, 2018 1:26:45 GMT -5
Amazing features in the design of DNA youtu.be/37nCgkPiUroWell articulated lecture , by Dr James Tour . For those that missed the memo from Dr Tours lecture on intelligent origin of life. there is no mechanism to explain how a cell could evolve, and there is no method to discribe how a cell originated, once you understand the need to have DNA and the cell membranes inter dependency of both ? , you can’t have one evolve independent of the goal of having a protective defense (cell membrane) that communicates the needs inter-dependently, Dr Tour explains these basic problems that evolution cannot account for or teach as a “mechanism” of evolution.. (can’t have one without the other). Basic , IMO
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Post by quest on Dec 19, 2018 2:38:51 GMT -5
<div class="quote" timestamp="1544659174" source="/post/816885/thread" author="quest"><div class="quote_body"><div class="no_avatar_placeholder"></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/816885/thread"><abbr title="Dec 12, 2018 18:59:34 GMT -5" class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1544659174000">Dec 12, 2018 18:59:34 GMT -5</abbr></a> quest said:</div>Amazing features in the design of DNA<br><br><br> youtu.be/37nCgkPiUro<br><br><br><br><br><br>Well articulated lecture , by Dr James Tour .<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>In order to have life, we need Intelligence, and to<br>have Intelligence we need to have communication. This is demonstrated by the need to properly have the DNA protected and encapsulated, by its cell<br>membrane, that membrane needs to “understand”<br>and respond to an “environment “ that it both needs to survive and “grow” , and to filter out what hinders )<br><br>so life needs and craves communication , and this<br>can only be provided by an intelligent source<br>You can’t have one without the other, and it cannoy<br>exist unless the others assist in the survival of “life” . ...<br><br><br><br>lMO. TY
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Post by quest on Dec 19, 2018 2:52:21 GMT -5
]Amazing features in the design of DNA youtu.be/37nCgkPiUroWell articulated lecture , by Dr James Tour .[/quote]For those that missed the memo from Dr Tours lecture on intelligent origin of life. there is no mechanism to explain how a cell could evolve, and there is no method to discribe how a cell originated, once you understand the need to have DNA and the cell membranes inter dependency of both ? , you can’t have one evolve independent of the goal of having a protective defense (cell membrane) that communicates the needs inter-dependently, Dr Tour explains these basic problems that evolution cannot account for or teach as a “mechanism” of evolution.. (can’t have one without the other). Basic , IMO In other words , you can’t have intelligence without communication, and even though you you need it, it cannot be created, as it needs to be discovered, as it is an eternal state that has to exist before any lifeform can be created OR formed(or ‘changed’) by any other method.., IMO
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Post by quest on Dec 27, 2018 0:43:07 GMT -5
File :
What is create/creation ?
What is evolve/evolution ?
Once these concepts are properly understood we can build a foundation of knowledge...
Definition 1 , create : (subject to analysis). Cause to exist.
(My Confession) Can anyone discribe the concept of taking things that already “exist” , and making something out of that “lump”. ? We might think we “created” something, but in reality we reconfigured existing material .... certainly this is a common practice of beings that possess “intelligence “.
And. + ++ +++. ........
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Post by quest on Dec 27, 2018 1:05:25 GMT -5
[q]
What is create/creation ?
What is evolve/evolution ?
Once these concepts are properly understood we can build a foundation of knowledge...
Definition 1 , create : (subject to analysis). Cause to exist.
(My Confession) Can anyone discribe the concept of taking things that already “exist” , and making something out of that “lump”. ? We might think we “created” something, but in reality we reconfigured existing material .... certainly this is a common practice of beings that possess “intelligence “.
And. + ++ +++. ........ [/
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Then, this analysis certainly confirms the thought that has been historically idealized
“There is nothing new under the sun”. It’s all been of Old , since .... “the” creation of all things , of course!
TY
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Post by quest on Dec 28, 2018 0:33:38 GMT -5
[q] What is create/creation ? What is evolve/evolution ? Once these concepts are properly understood we can build a foundation of knowledge... Definition 1 , create : (subject to analysis). Cause to exist. (My Confession) Can anyone discribe the concept of taking things that already “exist” , and making something out of that “lump”. ? We might think we “created” something, but in reality we reconfigured existing material .... certainly this is a common practice of beings that possess “intelligence “. And. + ++ +++. _________________________________________ Then, this analysis certainly confirms the thought that has been historically idealized “There is nothing new under the sun”. It’s all been of Old , since .... “the” creation of all things , of course! TY Can we move on to a concept erroneously studied as ”evolution”? (the word certainly “exists” , yet it can be misapplied in some manners, of course) the “building blocks” of our universe , our solar system, our planet, etc. Are of course , “matter” . This of course needs to exist for it to be assessable to a design to be produced, as the procedure initiates may be recreated through applying various “Laws and intelligence “ for purposes that are communicated though the various avenues of necessity to do so. if we recognize something as intelligently recreated, does it not necessarily hint that the “building blocks” are also intelligently created, so that recreation can also “exist”? remembering that : creation = to cause to exist and “evolution” doesn’t cause anything to exist, now, does it? IMO. TY
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Post by quest on Dec 29, 2018 6:50:04 GMT -5
]What is create/creation ? What is evolve/evolution ? Once these concepts are properly understood we can build a foundation of knowledge... Definition 1 , create : (subject to analysis). Cause to exist. (My Confession) Can anyone discribe the concept of taking things that already “exist” , and making something out of that “lump”. ? We might think we “created” something, but in reality we reconfigured existing material .... certainly this is a common practice of beings that possess “intelligence “. And. + ++ +++. _________________________________________ Then, this analysis certainly confirms the thought that has been historically idealized “There is nothing new under the sun”. It’s all been of Old , since .... “the” creation of all things , of course! TY[/quote]Can we move on to a concept erroneously studied as ”evolution”? (the word certainly “exists” , yet it can be misapplied in some manners, of course) the “building blocks” of our universe , our solar system, our planet, etc. Are of course , “matter” . This of course needs to exist for it to be assessable to a design to be produced, as the procedure initiates may be recreated through applying various “Laws and intelligence “ for purposes that are communicated though the various avenues of necessity to do so. if we recognize something as intelligently recreated, does it not necessarily hint that the “building blocks” are also intelligently created, so that recreation can also “exist”? remembering that : creation = to cause to exist and “evolution” doesn’t cause anything to exist, [b[/qu] .. youtu.be/lgs6J4LqeqISure, it’s quite lengthy, so if you want to get to the “points” you might enjoy beginning at the 16:20 minute Mark.
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Post by quest on Jan 1, 2019 5:46:33 GMT -5
How important is communication with “unknown entities “, extraterrestrial beings?
If we see no “evidence” should we discontinue this search for “Life” in the outer reaches of “our universe”?? —or keep searching??
Should we explore the ocean depths to find any hints of “Life forms” .??
—- where can True life be found? As our Creator so eloquently envisioned that , “ the searchers will find and be found. Keep on keeping on with your personal search, until you find the answer that will truly satisfy your soul. This is your personal search, once in a lifetime for your benefit , mission TY
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Post by quest on Jan 1, 2019 21:43:43 GMT -5
How important is communication with “unknown entities “, extraterrestrial beings? If we see no “evidence” should we discontinue this search for “Life” in the outer reaches of “our universe”?? —or keep searching?? Should we explore the ocean depths to find any hints of “Life forms” .?? —- where can True life be found? As our Creator so eloquently envisioned that , “ the searchers will find and be found. Keep on keeping on with your personal search, until you find the answer that will truly satisfy your soul. This is your personal search, once in a lifetime for your benefit , mission TY Treasures usually aren’t laying around in a refuse’ area waiting to be discarded into the “heep” . If you want to find a treasure, it takes a search, in depth, and when you find it, a possible planning in order to secure the ownership of such a treasure. When you have it, don’t let anyone “trick” you into giving it up , Or one day you will look back to your dismay, and pay twice as much in blood sweat and tears to find it and appreciate it for its real and full -true value, which is Priceless. If you don’t have a Priceless treasure , yet, there are more than treasures —enough for everyone, and worth every search you make to find yours. TY
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Post by quest on Jan 2, 2019 23:34:02 GMT -5
now that we have been gifted this amazing gift, we are all gifted a treasure, the Word of God ...
May we all find this , as the treasure it was meant to be
TY
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Post by quest on Jan 3, 2019 1:16:57 GMT -5
ok, here is another treasure, our human DNA.
(everything) in our DNA genome has a treasured purpose
it is truly a treasure hunters bonanza.
We need every thing we were given. IMO
Every thing has a purpose.
(including the purpose that all these purposed parts were so aligned /(designed) !) Another proof for design/purpose .
TY
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Post by snow on Jan 3, 2019 15:59:43 GMT -5
ok, here is another treasure, our human DNA. (everything) in our DNA genome has a treasured purpose it is truly a treasure hunters bonanza. We need every thing we were given. IMO Every thing has a purpose. (including the purpose that all these purposed parts were so aligned /(designed) !) Another proof for design/purpose . TY You might be interested in this video. Man has made two more strands of DNA Here is the TED talk on it. www.ted.com/talks/floyd_e_romesberg_the_radical_possibilities_of_man_made_dna
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Post by quest on Jan 3, 2019 21:48:43 GMT -5
]“There is nothing new under the sun”. It’s all been of Old , since .... “the” creation of all things , of course!
TY[/quote]Can we move on to a concept erroneously studied as ”evolution”? (the word certainly “exists” , yet it can be misapplied in some manners, of course)
the “building blocks” of our universe , our solar system, our planet, etc. Are of course , “matter” . This of course needs to exist for it to be assessable to a design to be produced, as the procedure initiates may be recreated through applying various “Laws and intelligence “ for purposes that are communicated though the various avenues of necessity to do so.
if we recognize something as intelligently recreated,
does it not necessarily hint that the “building blocks” are also intelligently created, so that recreation can also “exist”?
remembering that : creation = to cause to exist and “evolution” doesn’t cause anything to exist, ]
Ok, Snow , I watched the TED talk
Do you think they are using natural methods to Modify this DNA in the talk?
How does this research establish a mechanism for this adaptation?
Can we learn something about what possibilities will materialize?
And we can explore making adaptations using nanotechnology, as it may produce something useful eventually
Dr Tour also is doing this kind of research, it is explained on the video that is posted above in this post
To listen , go to the , 1:01:00 mark of the lecture And Stephen Meyers explains Dr Tours research
They are already using this to kill cancer cells in labs. But hasn’t been developed enough to treat Patients (yet)
Interesting designs of {creation and its building blocks} !
TY
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Post by quest on Jan 3, 2019 21:55:41 GMT -5
]What is create/creation ? What is evolve/evolution ? Once these concepts are properly understood we can build a foundation of knowledge... Definition 1 , create : (subject to analysis). Cause to exist. (My Confession) Can anyone discribe the concept of taking things that already “exist” , and making something out of that “lump”. ? We might think we “created” something, but in reality we reconfigured existing material .... certainly this is a common practice of beings that possess “intelligence “. [ youtu.be/lgs6J4LqeqIThis is the lecture referred to ; Dr Tours research at the 1:01:00 mark or about there TY
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Post by snow on Jan 4, 2019 13:45:04 GMT -5
The new strands of DNA can give more possibilities. From what I gathered in the talk we will have a better change to target genetic diseases and eradicate them which would be helpful. I think it's too early to even start to comprehend all the things this will produce. I imagine there will be bad with the good, but it does expand our possibilities.
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Post by quest on Jan 4, 2019 17:28:22 GMT -5
The new strands of DNA can give more possibilities. From what I gathered in the talk we will have a better change to target genetic diseases and eradicate them which would be helpful. I think it's too early to even start to comprehend all the things this will produce. I imagine there will be bad with the good, but it does expand our possibilities. Ok, sounds possible, and as we look to possibilities, should we rule out the possibility of things that for now, seem to be existing “outside” our material world, ( hmmmm, is immortality now seen as a “possibility” , also?? ) And if not, why would that be ruled out?? Thank you ,
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Post by snow on Jan 5, 2019 13:10:28 GMT -5
The new strands of DNA can give more possibilities. From what I gathered in the talk we will have a better change to target genetic diseases and eradicate them which would be helpful. I think it's too early to even start to comprehend all the things this will produce. I imagine there will be bad with the good, but it does expand our possibilities. Ok, sounds possible, and as we look to possibilities, should we rule out the possibility of things that for now, seem to be existing “outside” our material world, ( hmmmm, is immortality now seen as a “possibility” , also?? ) And if not, why would that be ruled out?? Thank you , I have no idea if we would ever achieve immortality. If we ever do it would be with a lot or replacement parts and would that even be us anymore? I personally think immortality is over rated. I have no desire to live forever. But it would be nice to enjoy this one life I do have without disease and pain if that is achievable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 15:30:23 GMT -5
Ok, sounds possible, and as we look to possibilities, should we rule out the possibility of things that for now, seem to be existing “outside” our material world, ( hmmmm, is immortality now seen as a “possibility” , also?? ) And if not, why would that be ruled out?? Thank you , I have no idea if we would ever achieve immortality. If we ever do it would be with a lot or replacement parts and would that even be us anymore? I personally think immortality is over rated. I have no desire to live forever. But it would be nice to enjoy this one life I do have without disease and pain if that is achievable. well scientist have said they can only get us to about 640 years before something would get us and no one would be able to get to us in time to save us....gonna have to turn to Christ for immortality i'm afriad...
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Post by quest on Jan 6, 2019 0:16:10 GMT -5
I have no idea if we would ever achieve immortality. If we ever do it would be with a lot or replacement parts and would that even be us anymore? I personally think immortality is over rated. I have no desire to live forever. But it would be nice to enjoy this one life I do have without disease and pain if that is achievable. well scientist have said they can only get us to about 640 years before something would get us and no one would be able to get to us in time to save us....gonna have to turn to Christ for immortality i'm afriad... [br Yes, our human DNA is definitely not immortal. So what kind of “new life form” would a scientist be trying to discover by engineering a synthetic DNA ? It seems that question should be answered , if they Try to apply this synthetic DNA into medical procedures? — ( how would it interact with our A,C,G,T , ) If it produced something that is a new life form, It wouldn’t prevent Christ’s return to earth, that is very true but what limit is the information stored in an engineered DNA, what “possibilities” —- as this new DNA wouldn’t be human but at this time a “quasi-bacterium “ ?? The TED talk seemed to express both caution and the possibilities that we could then study these results, ( but that already opened the door , and we really need to proceed with due diligence, Dr Tour is trying to find a new method for curing/killing Cancer cells by nanotechnology engineering without engineering a new life form, it could help. Comfort People suffering that condition, ? But it isn’t a functional procedure yet... I think It’s medical Nanotechnology , not a new DNA. Just so “they” don’t engineer a monster !! we humansDont need any more problem ? Then we’d need more cures to deal with the new problems ? Lots of unanswered questions, agreed. Thank You
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Post by snow on Jan 6, 2019 12:31:45 GMT -5
I have no idea if we would ever achieve immortality. If we ever do it would be with a lot or replacement parts and would that even be us anymore? I personally think immortality is over rated. I have no desire to live forever. But it would be nice to enjoy this one life I do have without disease and pain if that is achievable. well scientist have said they can only get us to about 640 years before something would get us and no one would be able to get to us in time to save us....gonna have to turn to Christ for immortality i'm afriad... Well I've said this before. I have no desire for immortality. I have a hard time understanding why people think that would be good. Eternity is an awful long time. In the end you'd have done everything and experienced everything a bunch of times and it would all lose it's interest imo. But then you'd still have forever to face. No thanks.
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