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Post by benar on Feb 20, 2020 6:15:24 GMT -5
What is the definition, Wally? Open-minded definition, having or showing a mind receptive to new ideas or arguments....it does not say anything about not being fooled or not allowing yourself to believe any claim coming your way... It's too late here for me to follow up properly (I'm off to bed), but I suspect what we have here is a difference in colloquial use versus more formal; like the difference between theory and Theory. |
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 20, 2020 7:21:06 GMT -5
If these atheists like the Donkey Lady think WE should be more focused on the Christian community at large WHY DON'T THEY POST ON A LARGER CHRISTIAN FORUM?
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Post by iam on Feb 20, 2020 10:24:53 GMT -5
I am NOT looking for EVIDENCE for ANYTHING. You are. I DON'T CARE if that means I have a closed mind or an open mind or a whatever mind. I have FAITH. You do NOT. That means no matter how many videos I watch of your so-called evidence, it will do absolutely zero for my faith in God and faith doesn't REQUIRE evidence. Faith comes from God I can't give it to you. Try praying to God that He will give you evidence. He WILL. But then, you would have to have an open mind towards HIM, which is probably the whole problem in the first place. What was that about an angry tone? You seem to have missed the point that faith is not a reliable method to determine truth. Let's take Muslims for example. You and I both know they're wrong, but there are something like 1.2 billion of them, and a large portion I imagine use faith, just the way you do, to determine their religion is correct. If they proudly assert that they do not require evidence, only faith, they will continue to believe that which is untrue. If you are using the same method to determine your religion is right, perhaps you are in the same boat as the Muslims. That's why we require evidence, not faith, to determine what is actually true. Our own feelings and personal bias has no bearing on what is objectively true. The video contained no actual evidence of anything. It certainly was not an attempt at putting forward evidence to disprove your god. It is actually telling us how an open vs closed mind works. Your last sentence tells me you did not read my previous reply properly. If you'd watched the video, you would understand why. First, I am in an area right now that I do not have access to wifi. So I can't watch the video which I don't feel is necessary anyways. I try to live a simpler life without the pollution of man's thoughts and reasonings... I have enough of my own thoughts and reasonings. You said "If they proudly assert that they do not require evidence, only faith, they will continue to believe that which is untrue. If you are using the same method to determine your religion is right, perhaps you are in the same boat as the Muslims" That's right. But that is not faith if we are believing that which is not right. That's religion. It doesn't matter what religion we belong to, muslims, the truth (f&w on these boards), Baptist, Catholic...any of them...they may all claim faith but faith without works is dead. Dead faith. Doesn't matter what religion we are a part of or if we claim no religion at all. But it's impossible to explain faith to anyone that doesn't believe Jesus. There must be a love for Jesus to have any understanding of faith. I don't see Muslims as any more wrong than any other religion that hides behind religion as their salvation. You said "That's why we require evidence, not faith, to determine what is actually true"... Hebrews 11:1 KJV Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I can't see any way of rationalizing that. But Jesus said when He comes again, will He find faith on earth? I was at meeting yesterday and I saw one very clear evidence of faith in one very old man. That makes these things clear to me. But anyone that boasts about their faith and how they are looking FORWARD to the end times when the unbelievers will perish and we will be saved...there is no substance or evidence of faith in that and that does not make us a true christian even though we may claim to be a christian. You said "Our own feelings and personal bias has no bearing on what is objectively true." That's right. My own personal bias and feelings aren't objectively true. That's why I need to examine what Jesus's feelings and "personal biases" are in the new testament. You said "The video contained no actual evidence of anything. It certainly was not an attempt at putting forward evidence to disprove your god. It is actually telling us how an open vs closed mind works" Ok that sounds interesting but it has nothing to do with faith and I am not going to waste my already limited data watching videos. I have seen so much evil done in the name of open minds as well as closed minds that those things aren't what I want to focus on. I can understand why atheists are atheists because there's so little truth in religion. I think it will be better at the end if I was an atheist than to bear the name of Jesus falsely. How to follow Jesus is what I want to focus on. I don't find many christians doing that. |
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Post by iam on Feb 20, 2020 10:52:28 GMT -5
You have a closed mind to God. You have a closed mind to things that are important to other people on these boards. Not just a closed mind, but an angry tone.' Yes I have a closed mind, thank goodness, to some things, but is it possible for you to see YOURSELF in what bothers you about others? It seems not. That takes a lot of honesty and that kind of honesty doesn't make us LOOK good.
It tells us how a closed mind works, -that it refuses to look at new evidence and be willing to change one's mind it the evidence is valid.
You accuse us of having a "closed mind to God."
Not true for me and many others here.
I professed for at least 40 years of my life.
Much evil has been done in the name of a closed mind or an open mind. It simply isn't what I what to spend my time on and as I said to benar, I am in an area right now where I have no access to wifi and I am not going to waste my limited data on more of man's thinking...I have plenty of my own. |
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Post by iam on Feb 20, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -5
Iam, did you even watch the video on what it means to have a closed mind?
It tells us how a closed mind works, -that it refuses to look at new evidence and be willing to change one's mind it the evidence is valid.
You accuse us of having a "closed mind to God."
Not true for me and many others here.
I professed for at least 40 years of my life.
Much evil has been done in the name of a closed mind or an open mind. It simply isn't what I what to spend my time on and as I said to benar, I am in an area right now where I have no access to wifi and I am not going to waste my limited data on more of man's thinking...I have plenty of my own. And what is professing for 40 years of your life supposed to mean? I know people that have professed longer than that and still don't seem to follow Jesus in His basic teachings. I am simply not interested in closed versus open minds. I DO want to focus on Jesus and He appeared to have a closed mind to the ideas of the chief priests and the Pharisees and the elders and other "professing" people of His day who ultimately slew Him. But He also didn't even bother with any other "religions" of this world. |
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Post by iam on Feb 20, 2020 11:27:05 GMT -5
You have a closed mind to God. You have a closed mind to things that are important to other people on these boards. Not just a closed mind, but an angry tone. Yes I have a closed mind, thank goodness, to some things, but is it possible for you to see YOURSELF in what bothers you about others? It seems not. That takes a lot of honesty and that kind of honesty doesn't make us LOOK good.
Is that "honest" enough for you?  No. That's honest enough for YOU. |
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