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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 9:19:13 GMT -5
I haven't saw Peter Van der Veek article, according to Wikipedia, he is an anthropologist? and his specialty seems to be to criticize instead of research? Still could t find where he identified another place that has Egyptian chariots drowned in sea?
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 9:42:07 GMT -5
I haven't saw Peter Van der Veek article, according to Wikipedia, he is an anthropologist? and his specialty seems to be to criticize instead of research? Still could t find where he identified another place that has Egyptian chariots drowned in sea? Ha! I did find Peter Van der Veeks , short critic of gulf of Aqaba, Nowhere did he admit that there was physical evidence. I read the comments of his critic and found many that disagree with his agenda. Peter must not have read Lennart Mollers book , Peter is skeptical of the whole documents of Hebrew people living in Egypt . So of course there was no chariots in his analysis. But there are chariots in the gulf of Aqaba, can you explain that ‼️
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 14:01:47 GMT -5
Do you believe that if your belief in evolution had a shred of credibility, you would acknowledge that even your silly theory demands that the human mind is NOT the end, but the beginning of a superior mind that might be as far above humans as humans are above mosquitoes.
Your statement is the reason that you do not understand what you call our "silly theory" of evolution.
You claim that the theory of evolution "demands that the human mind is NOT the end, but the beginning of a superior mind that might be as far above humans as humans are above mosquitoes."
We might WISH that this is what drives evolution, - a better mind, a more peaceful less violent temperament; but that is not what happens That is NOT what drives evolution! "Natural selection is the process by which individuals with characteristics that are advantageous for reproduction in a specific environment leave more offspring in the next generation, thereby increasing the proportion of their genes in the population gene pool over time.
Natural selection is the principal mechanism of evolutionary change, and is the most important idea in all biology. Natural selection occurs in any reproducing population faced with a changing or variable environment.
The environment includes not only physical factors such as climate or terrain, but also living factors such as predators, prey, and other members of a population.Read more: www.biologyreference.com/Mo-Nu/Natural-Selection.html#ixzz4PandMd9w[ Good, then we both agree that our Mind is created, by Our Creator.
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Post by rational on Nov 10, 2016 18:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 19:06:32 GMT -5
If you wish to see a longer video about his research There are several. Moller is well respected for his meticulous details and methods that will invariably end with him saying , it's up to you to reach your conclusions. That's where I'll leave it, also
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2016 19:54:39 GMT -5
Your statement is the reason that you do not understand what you call our "silly theory" of evolution.
You claim that the theory of evolution "demands that the human mind is NOT the end, but the beginning of a superior mind that might be as far above humans as humans are above mosquitoes."
We might WISH that this is what drives evolution, - a better mind, a more peaceful less violent temperament; but that is not what happens That is NOT what drives evolution! "Natural selection is the process by which individuals with characteristics that are advantageous for reproduction in a specific environment leave more offspring in the next generation, thereby increasing the proportion of their genes in the population gene pool over time.
Natural selection is the principal mechanism of evolutionary change, and is the most important idea in all biology. Natural selection occurs in any reproducing population faced with a changing or variable environment.
The environment includes not only physical factors such as climate or terrain, but also living factors such as predators, prey, and other members of a population.Read more: www.biologyreference.com/Mo-Nu/Natural-Selection.html#ixzz4PandMd9w Good, then we both agree that our Mind is created, by Our Creator.
NO we don't agree!
Where did you think that you found that in my post?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2016 20:55:43 GMT -5
Ha! I did find Peter Van der Veeks , short critic of gulf of Aqaba, Nowhere did he admit that there was physical evidence. I read the comments of his critic and found many that disagree with his agenda. Peter must not have read Lennart Mollers book , Peter is skeptical of the whole documents of Hebrew people living in Egypt . So of course there was no chariots in his analysis. But there are chariots in the gulf of Aqaba, can you explain that ‼️ Easy! There aren't any chariots in the gulf of Aqaba! I had thought that we had been over this before.
Red SeaRumor: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea. David Mikkelson
Claim: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea.
FALSE
PARTING OF THE RED SEA
Chariot Wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea
"You will be surprised to see proof of Pharaoh's chariot and bones of horses and men found in the Red Sea.
Confirmation of the actual Exodus route has come from divers finding coral-encrusted bones and chariot remains in the Gulf of Aqaba. ONE of the most dramatic records of Divine intervention in history is the account of the Hebrews' exodus from Egypt.
Origins: On 24 October 2014, the web site World News Daily Report (WNDR) published an article reporting that chariot wheels and the bones of horses and men had been discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea, thereby supposedly proving archaeological proof of the Biblical narrative about the escape of the Israelites from the Egyptians. (According to the Book of Exodus, God parted the Red Sea long enough for the Moses-led Israelites to walk across it on dry ground, but closed the waters up again upon the pursuing Egyptian army and drowned them all.)
"Egypt's Antiquities Ministry announced this morning that a team of underwater archaeologists had discovered that remains of a large Egyptian army from the 14th century BC, at the bottom of the Gulf of Suez, 1.5 kilometers offshore from the modern city of Ras Gharib. The team was searching for the remains of ancient ships and artefacts related to Stone Age and Bronze Age trade in the Red Sea area, when they stumbled upon a gigantic mass of human bones darkened by age.
The scientists lead by Professor Abdel Muhammad Gader and associated with Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology, have already recovered a total of more than 400 different skeletons, as well as hundreds of weapons and pieces of armor, also the remains of two war chariots, scattered over an area of approximately 200 square meters. They estimate that more than 5000 other bodies could be dispersed over a wider area, suggesting that an army of large size who have perished on the site."
However, if one is looking for news of an important scientific or historical discovery, World News Daily Report is not the place to look.
WNDR is fake news site whose disclaimer notes that the site's articles are satirical and fictitious:
World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways.
All news articles contained within worldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news.
Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.
Despite WNDR's framing of the alleged "discovery" as recent and newly announced, reports of divers finding chariot wheels and the like under the Red Sea are a hoax that has been promulgated for many years now
The WNDR article's use of language such as "this morning" and its claims that a team of "underwater archeologists" in Egypt responsible for the discovery are planning to recover more artifacts from the site reinvigorated interest in the long-discredited rumor, but the details are not only fabricated, they've simply been recycled from past claims and appended with more recent dates.
In October 2015, the equally dubious web site Disclose.TV once again jump-started the phony rumors by republishing the year-old fake World News Daily Report article.
Prior to the "Red Sea" story, World News Daily Report hoaxed social media users with articles such as "15-Ton Prehistoric Shark Captured Off Coast Of Pakistan,"Newly-Found Document Holds Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle," and "200 Million Years Old Dinosaur Egg Hatches in Berlin Museum." True to the site's disclaimer, none of those massively popular stories turned out to be rooted in truth. from snopes
Look, So, -when a news system like WNDR itself gives it's own disclaimer that they are satirical and fictitious; JUST WHO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE TO TELL THEM SOMETHING different !
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 22:36:03 GMT -5
Ha! I did find Peter Van der Veeks , short critic of gulf of Aqaba, Nowhere did he admit that there was physical evidence. I read the comments of his critic and found many that disagree with his agenda. Peter must not have read Lennart Mollers book , Peter is skeptical of the whole documents of Hebrew people living in Egypt . So of course there was no chariots in his analysis. But there are chariots in the gulf of Aqaba, can you explain that ‼️ Easy! There aren't any chariots in the gulf of Aqaba! I had thought that we had been over this before.
Red SeaRumor: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea. David Mikkelson
Claim: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea.
FALSE
PARTING OF THE RED SEA
Chariot Wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea
"You will be surprised to see proof of Pharaoh's chariot and bones of horses and men found in the Red Sea.
Confirmation of the actual Exodus route has come from divers finding coral-encrusted bones and chariot remains in the Gulf of Aqaba. ONE of the most dramatic records of Divine intervention in history is the account of the Hebrews' exodus from Egypt.
Origins: On 24 October 2014, the web site World News Daily Report (WNDR) published an article reporting that chariot wheels and the bones of horses and men had been discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea, thereby supposedly proving archaeological proof of the Biblical narrative about the escape of the Israelites from the Egyptians. (According to the Book of Exodus, God parted the Red Sea long enough for the Moses-led Israelites to walk across it on dry ground, but closed the waters up again upon the pursuing Egyptian army and drowned them all.)
"Egypt's Antiquities Ministry announced this morning that a team of underwater archaeologists had discovered that remains of a large Egyptian army from the 14th century BC, at the bottom of the Gulf of Suez, 1.5 kilometers offshore from the modern city of Ras Gharib. The team was searching for the remains of ancient ships and artefacts related to Stone Age and Bronze Age trade in the Red Sea area, when they stumbled upon a gigantic mass of human bones darkened by age.
The scientists lead by Professor Abdel Muhammad Gader and associated with Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology, have already recovered a total of more than 400 different skeletons, as well as hundreds of weapons and pieces of armor, also the remains of two war chariots, scattered over an area of approximately 200 square meters. They estimate that more than 5000 other bodies could be dispersed over a wider area, suggesting that an army of large size who have perished on the site."
However, if one is looking for news of an important scientific or historical discovery, World News Daily Report is not the place to look.
WNDR is fake news site whose disclaimer notes that the site's articles are satirical and fictitious:
World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways.
All news articles contained within worldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news.
Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.
Despite WNDR's framing of the alleged "discovery" as recent and newly announced, reports of divers finding chariot wheels and the like under the Red Sea are a hoax that has been promulgated for many years now
The WNDR article's use of language such as "this morning" and its claims that a team of "underwater archeologists" in Egypt responsible for the discovery are planning to recover more artifacts from the site reinvigorated interest in the long-discredited rumor, but the details are not only fabricated, they've simply been recycled from past claims and appended with more recent dates.
In October 2015, the equally dubious web site Disclose.TV once again jump-started the phony rumors by republishing the year-old fake World News Daily Report article.
Prior to the "Red Sea" story, World News Daily Report hoaxed social media users with articles such as "15-Ton Prehistoric Shark Captured Off Coast Of Pakistan,"Newly-Found Document Holds Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle," and "200 Million Years Old Dinosaur Egg Hatches in Berlin Museum." True to the site's disclaimer, none of those massively popular stories turned out to be rooted in truth. from snopes
Look, So, -when a news system like WNDR itself gives it's own disclaimer that they are satirical and fictitious; JUST WHO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE TO TELL THEM SOMETHING different !
You are filling up on Red herrings, no wonder you have indigestion.
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 22:45:02 GMT -5
Just take a breath and watch one of videos from Lennart Moller research team.
Contrary to Peter V , the photos of the chariot wheels are not photoshopped , they are live action film with robotic underwater cameras , TOP of line equipment.
I am not talking about a self confessed HOAX , I have no clue why Egyptian do that other than for laughs‼️ Go and laugh.
Are you trying to convince the Hebrew people That Moses never existed⁉️
The Egyptians sure wish he didnt‼️
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2016 23:10:18 GMT -5
Easy! There aren't any chariots in the gulf of Aqaba! I had thought that we had been over this before.
Red SeaRumor: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea. David Mikkelson
Claim: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea.
FALSE
PARTING OF THE RED SEA
Chariot Wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea
"You will be surprised to see proof of Pharaoh's chariot and bones of horses and men found in the Red Sea.
Confirmation of the actual Exodus route has come from divers finding coral-encrusted bones and chariot remains in the Gulf of Aqaba. ONE of the most dramatic records of Divine intervention in history is the account of the Hebrews' exodus from Egypt.
Origins: On 24 October 2014, the web site World News Daily Report (WNDR) published an article reporting that chariot wheels and the bones of horses and men had been discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea, thereby supposedly proving archaeological proof of the Biblical narrative about the escape of the Israelites from the Egyptians. (According to the Book of Exodus, God parted the Red Sea long enough for the Moses-led Israelites to walk across it on dry ground, but closed the waters up again upon the pursuing Egyptian army and drowned them all.)
"Egypt's Antiquities Ministry announced this morning that a team of underwater archaeologists had discovered that remains of a large Egyptian army from the 14th century BC, at the bottom of the Gulf of Suez, 1.5 kilometers offshore from the modern city of Ras Gharib. The team was searching for the remains of ancient ships and artefacts related to Stone Age and Bronze Age trade in the Red Sea area, when they stumbled upon a gigantic mass of human bones darkened by age.
The scientists lead by Professor Abdel Muhammad Gader and associated with Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology, have already recovered a total of more than 400 different skeletons, as well as hundreds of weapons and pieces of armor, also the remains of two war chariots, scattered over an area of approximately 200 square meters. They estimate that more than 5000 other bodies could be dispersed over a wider area, suggesting that an army of large size who have perished on the site."
However, if one is looking for news of an important scientific or historical discovery, World News Daily Report is not the place to look.
WNDR is fake news site whose disclaimer notes that the site's articles are satirical and fictitious:
World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways.
All news articles contained within worldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news.
Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.
Despite WNDR's framing of the alleged "discovery" as recent and newly announced, reports of divers finding chariot wheels and the like under the Red Sea are a hoax that has been promulgated for many years now
The WNDR article's use of language such as "this morning" and its claims that a team of "underwater archeologists" in Egypt responsible for the discovery are planning to recover more artifacts from the site reinvigorated interest in the long-discredited rumor, but the details are not only fabricated, they've simply been recycled from past claims and appended with more recent dates.
In October 2015, the equally dubious web site Disclose.TV once again jump-started the phony rumors by republishing the year-old fake World News Daily Report article.
Prior to the "Red Sea" story, World News Daily Report hoaxed social media users with articles such as "15-Ton Prehistoric Shark Captured Off Coast Of Pakistan,"Newly-Found Document Holds Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle," and "200 Million Years Old Dinosaur Egg Hatches in Berlin Museum." True to the site's disclaimer, none of those massively popular stories turned out to be rooted in truth. from snopes
Look, So, -when a news system like WNDR itself gives it's own disclaimer that they are satirical and fictitious; JUST WHO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE TO TELL THEM SOMETHING different !
You are filling up on Red herrings, no wonder you have indigestion. How is the article that I posted a Red Herring?
It relates directly to the subject that you are claiming is be true.
Were you establishing your belief on their article?
If not; - what articles are you establishing you beliefs on?
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Post by So on Nov 12, 2016 6:02:23 GMT -5
You are filling up on Red herrings, no wonder you have indigestion. How is the article that I posted a Red Herring?
It relates directly to the subject that you are claiming is be true.
Were you establishing your belief on their article?
If not; - what articles are you establishing you beliefs on?Because it is
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Post by So on Nov 12, 2016 6:04:58 GMT -5
Just take a breath and watch one of videos from Lennart Moller research team. Contrary to Peter V , the photos of the chariot wheels are not photoshopped , they are live action film with robotic underwater cameras , TOP of line equipment. I am not talking about a self confessed HOAX , I have no clue why Egyptian do that other than for laughs‼️ Go and laugh. Are you trying to convince the Hebrew people That Moses never existed⁉️ The Egyptians sure wish he didnt‼️[/quot This is the research
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Post by rational on Nov 12, 2016 19:13:47 GMT -5
Just take a breath and watch one of videos from Lennart Moller research team. Serious research is not supported by video. If you can point to some reviewed research I am sure people will comment. Of course, if you are looking for a movie review there are a number of sites you can look at.
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 9:53:55 GMT -5
Clearly , we can undoubtedly confess that the wisdom of this temporary world cannot confess the knowledge of the world that will continue on when this world with all its pretentious inventions and theories will dissolve ....
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Post by rational on Nov 13, 2016 10:44:39 GMT -5
Clearly , we can undoubtedly confess that the wisdom of this temporary world cannot confess the knowledge of the world that will continue on when this world with all its pretentious inventions and theories will dissolve .... Consciousness consists of bio-electricity of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a maturing of the ever-present.
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 13:41:11 GMT -5
Clearly , we can undoubtedly confess that the wisdom of this temporary world cannot confess the knowledge of the world that will continue on when this world with all its pretentious inventions and theories will dissolve .... Consciousness consists of bio-electricity of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a maturing of the ever-present. Now that my friend is a very ostentatious claim ❗️
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 14:24:14 GMT -5
Then , would it be " reasonable " to consider :
the relationship between consciousness and
intelligence . It is an interesting study,
I'll do a bit of research
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 15:04:11 GMT -5
Yes
It is impossible I believe it is impossible to Separate intelligence from consciousness.
One is dependant on the other and if intelligence cannot be recognized, then we are not conscious if it.
If we are not conscious of intelligence , there can be no knowledge nor information to be conscious about.
We can recognize that we were created, we exist.
Thus we have a creator and a creation.
We can worship our Creator . And our Creator can
be our Lord of lords, and God of gods. certainly the world has idolatry, that does not mean that there is no hope for us . There is hope , from the God of gods.
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 15:26:59 GMT -5
Intelligence: the act of intelligently affecting matter
hmmm
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 15:30:16 GMT -5
Action is the real measure of intelligence
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 13, 2016 18:50:23 GMT -5
How is the article that I posted a Red Herring?
It relates directly to the subject that you are claiming is be true.
Were you establishing your belief on their article?
If not; - what articles are you establishing you beliefs on? Because it is "Because it is " what? A red herring?
If so, tell me why it is to be considered a "red herring." : Definition of a "red herring": A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 13, 2016 19:31:20 GMT -5
Then , would it be " reasonable " to consider: the relationship between consciousness and intelligence . It is an interesting study, I'll do a bit of research Your Do that, -do some research. Just be sure that you get research from scientists who has expertise in the that field of study.
Scientists unlike Lennart Moller, -whose field was medical science and NOT archeology yet made these ridiculous claims contrary to those whose field of study was archeology!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 13, 2016 19:56:59 GMT -5
Yes It is impossible I believe it is impossible to Separate intelligence from consciousness. One is dependant on the other and if intelligence cannot be recognized, then we are not conscious if it. If we are not conscious of intelligence, there can be no knowledge nor information to be conscious about. We can recognize that we were created, we exist. Thus we have a creator and a creation. We can worship our Creator . And our Creator can be our Lord of lords, and God of gods. certainly the world has idolatry, that does not mean that there is no hope for us . There is hope , from the God of gods. I am just putting these definitions down to mull over later.
Have to do something else right now & didn't want to lose them
Definition of intelligence
: the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations
Definition of consciousness
: the condition of being conscious : the normal state of being awake and able to understand what is happening around you
: a person's mind and thoughts
: knowledge that is shared by a group of people
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
premise
A previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or follows as a conclusion: ‘if the premise is true, then the conclusion must be true’
An assertion or proposition which forms the basis for a work or theory: ‘the fundamental premise of the report’
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 20:40:21 GMT -5
Yes It is impossible I believe it is impossible to Separate intelligence from consciousness. One is dependant on the other and if intelligence cannot be recognized, then we are not conscious if it. If we are not conscious of intelligence, there can be no knowledge nor information to be conscious about. We can recognize that we were created, we exist. Thus we have a creator and a creation. We can worship our Creator . And our Creator can be our Lord of lords, and God of gods. certainly the world has idolatry, that does not mean that there is no hope for us . There is hope , from the God of gods. I am just putting these definitions down to mull over later.
Have to do something else right now & didn't want to lose them
Definition of intelligence
: the ability to learn or understand things or to deal with new or difficult situations
Definition of consciousness
: the condition of being conscious : the normal state of being awake and able to understand what is happening around you
: a person's mind and thoughts
: knowledge that is shared by a group of people
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
premise
A previous statement or proposition from which another is inferred or follows as a conclusion: ‘if the premise is true, then the conclusion must be true’
An assertion or proposition which forms the basis for a work or theory: ‘the fundamental premise of the report’Look at a dictionary and compare it to a dictionary that is 10 years old, 20 years old, etc. You will find that definitions change with time, no one has a copywriter to claim the "best" dictionary IMO
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Post by So on Nov 13, 2016 20:43:11 GMT -5
Yes, I do agree , consciousness : the state of being conscious❗️
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