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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 15:16:04 GMT -5
Its becoming clear that you are not actually claiming that everything in the universe has a purpose (altho I'm not sure you realise this) but rather that you can find a purpose for everything which is really very different. It follows that some things clearly don't have a purpose but you are getting around this by assigning a purpose to them as this convinces you (and people who believe as you do) that it does have a purpose when really it doesn't. I sense you are better at stating what you believe than you are at providing a sound basis for believing it. I'm afraid that is often the case with flawed theories. Matt10 If that " rock" , or dinosaurs would disappear, how would that change the world❓ Everything has an affect on something❗️ Think about that, the next time we look in the mirror. The basis for your theory is getting weaker with each response. First you claimed that the universe is designed and the evidence for that is that everything has a purpose. Then you move to a position where not everything has a purpose, but rather that you can find a purpose for everything whether it has a purpose is not. The elephant and the ashtray. Now you aren't claiming anything about a designer or a purpose but rather that everything has an effect on something. Whatever your theory was, it is now diminished to the point where it has lost all credibility. I wonder did you see any weaknesses in it when you were formulating it? I wonder what other theories did you seriously consider before coming to your conclusions about a designer? Were you already a believer in the God of the bible when you came to your conclusion about a designer ... or did you come to your conclusion about a designer prior to believing in the God of the bible? Matt10
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Post by So on Nov 8, 2016 17:49:40 GMT -5
There are infinite purposes for everything❗️
I can think of thousands of uses for your rock, I offered to buy it and use it in a rock garden.
How can I if you don't allow it?
If you are an evolutionist, the rocks and dinosaurs have many uses and purposes.
I believe our Creator Designed rocks and dinosaurs, for His pleasure, (....and mine, and theirs, and hers)
Use to what you can , they have infinite purposes.
We get oil for our motors from decomposed plant and animals(dinosaurs)
Thanks for your analysis
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Post by So on Nov 8, 2016 20:17:08 GMT -5
Purpose, implies a design and intelligence to rationalize a purpose. We need intelligence in order for the design to be " understood".
It seems unlikely that a rock could understand the purpose it was created for.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 8, 2016 21:13:25 GMT -5
Purpose, implies a design and intelligence to rationalize a purpose. We need intelligence in order for the design to be " understood". It seems unlikely that a rock could understand the purpose it was created for. How does a mosquito understand it's purpose?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 23:47:08 GMT -5
There are infinite purposes for everything❗️ I can think of thousands of uses for your rock, I offered to buy it and use it in a rock garden. How can I if you don't allow it? If you are an evolutionist, the rocks and dinosaurs have many uses and purposes. I believe our Creator Designed rocks and dinosaurs, for His pleasure, (....and mine, and theirs, and hers) Use to what you can , they have infinite purposes. We get oil for our motors from decomposed plant and animals(dinosaurs) Thanks for your analysis Purpose, implies a design and intelligence to rationalize a purpose. We need intelligence in order for the design to be " understood". It seems unlikely that a rock could understand the purpose it was created for. Firstly, I haven't provided any analysis nor have I attempted to. This is probably better as I'm not quite sure how one would begin to analyse your claim that dinosaurs were designed for your pleasure. What I have done is to put some fairly straight forward questions to you which you have been unable or unwilling to answer. I'm getting a sense that even you realise that your design theory doesn't stand up to scrutiny as you seem to prefer to restate your beliefs rather than engage in meaningful dialog. I'm still intrigued as to how you came up with your design theory, not least as you don't seem to have much of a grasp of it. Matt10
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 4:51:14 GMT -5
Purpose, implies a design and intelligence to rationalize a purpose. We need intelligence in order for the design to be " understood". It seems unlikely that a rock could understand the purpose it was created for. How does a mosquito understand it's purpose? When did a mosquito understand evolution⁉️ It never will, neither will rocks
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 4:52:52 GMT -5
There are infinite purposes for everything❗️ I can think of thousands of uses for your rock, I offered to buy it and use it in a rock garden. How can I if you don't allow it? If you are an evolutionist, the rocks and dinosaurs have many uses and purposes. I believe our Creator Designed rocks and dinosaurs, for His pleasure, (....and mine, and theirs, and hers) Use to what you can , they have infinite purposes. We get oil for our motors from decomposed plant and animals(dinosaurs) Thanks for your analysis Purpose, implies a design and intelligence to rationalize a purpose. We need intelligence in order for the design to be " understood". It seems unlikely that a rock could understand the purpose it was created for. Firstly, I haven't provided any analysis nor have I attempted to. This is probably better as I'm not quite sure how one would begin to analyse your claim that dinosaurs were designed for your pleasure. What I have done is to put some fairly straight forward questions to you which you have been unable or unwilling to answer. I'm getting a sense that even you realise that your design theory doesn't stand up to scrutiny as you seem to prefer to restate your beliefs rather than engage in meaningful dialog. I'm still intrigued as to how you came up with your design theory, not least as you don't seem to have much of a grasp of it. Matt10 Thanks for your analysis/dialog
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 5:02:02 GMT -5
Firstly, I haven't provided any analysis nor have I attempted to. This is probably better as I'm not quite sure how one would begin to analyse your claim that dinosaurs were designed for your pleasure. What I have done is to put some fairly straight forward questions to you which you have been unable or unwilling to answer. I'm getting a sense that even you realise that your design theory doesn't stand up to scrutiny as you seem to prefer to restate your beliefs rather than engage in meaningful dialog. I'm still intrigued as to how you came up with your design theory, not least as you don't seem to have much of a grasp of it. Matt10 Thanks for your a/dialog If something has a design, there is a purpose for the design. DesignedLogic. If there was no purpose, there would be no reason for it to exist. Since everything that does exist, does already exist, then their was a cause, this cause is it's logical reason for existing. Without intelligence we could not examine Or AnalyZoe the truth of a theory. Intelligence is essential for rationalization and the logic of what is. Created by DNA and design It's not a new concept, it is eternal as truth is
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 5:20:44 GMT -5
With design, logic, intelligence, and all this is seen in ourCreator.
This is the essential elements of a habitable environment.
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Post by rational on Nov 9, 2016 10:47:30 GMT -5
Can anyone please demonstrate what part of the universe does not have a design or a purpose? There are 4 hydrogen atoms in the outer arm of a spiral galaxy located about 12,324 light years from earth that have no purpose.
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Post by rational on Nov 9, 2016 10:54:03 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt s Red Sea research has been validated Just provide the reference and you will be vindicated. True/False? Radar shows man-made (boat) structure……….FALSE There is a regular metallic pattern…………FALSE Lab tests show petrified laminated wood……..FALSE Turkish scientists found metal rods…………FALSE Metal artefacts have been proved by lab……..FALSE There are ‘ship’s ribs’ showing…………….FALSE There is lots of petrified wood…………….FALSE Turkish Commission says ‘it’s a boat………..FALSE You have to know when a site like answersingenesis.org doesn't support a creationist story it has really off base!
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 14:10:23 GMT -5
We are "free to choose" , although "free will" to choose as we Choose to, is only as wise as are capable of choosing wisely
If designed intelligence or logic helps us to choose wisely , then it would be wise to consider it.
Wisdom is the principle thing , we cannot have it, if we don't ask.
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 14:13:48 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt s Red Sea research has been validated Just provide the reference and you will be vindicated. True/False? Radar shows man-made (boat) structure……….FALSE There is a regular metallic pattern…………FALSE Lab tests show petrified laminated wood……..FALSE Turkish scientists found metal rods…………FALSE Metal artefacts have been proved by lab……..FALSE There are ‘ship’s ribs’ showing…………….FALSE There is lots of petrified wood…………….FALSE Turkish Commission says ‘it’s a boat………..FALSE You have to know when a site like answersingenesis.org doesn't support a creationist story it has really off base! Rons research is parallel to the analysis of Lennart Moller, if you dare to watch his Video that I highlighted a few posts ago
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 14:22:04 GMT -5
[="So" aamp="1478488980"]http://youtu.be/tzg-d8xF5ro[/qu
This shows some of Lennart Moller's research.
It is very well documented , and based on the feed back, it seems to be detailed and accepted as much as you can without being there when it happened.
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 14:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 9, 2016 16:07:54 GMT -5
How does a mosquito understand it's purpose? When did a mosquito understand evolution⁉️ It never will, neither will rocks A mosquito DOESN'T understand evolution. It has evolved to act as it does and if it has a purpose in life, can you tell me what it is?
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 16:12:07 GMT -5
Can anyone please demonstrate what part of the universe does not have a design or a purpose? There are 4 hydrogen atoms in the outer arm of a spiral galaxy located about 12,324 light years from earth that have no purpose. If they weren't there for a purpose, their absense would create a " vacuum ". Not sure we can haphazardly think something could be evaporated into nothing without violating a thermodynamic law? If I do not know why something exists, doesn't mean It doesn't have a purpose , or a cause to exist. IMO
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 16:18:48 GMT -5
When did a mosquito understand evolution⁉️ It never will, neither will rocks A mosquito DOESN'T understand evolution. It has evolved to act as it does and if it has a purpose in life, can you tell me what it is?To carry viruses To bite and sting To reproduce How many purposes do you want? ‼️ They have a DNA, so it is supposed to be here! Hmmm, did you ever wonder why ?
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 16:29:53 GMT -5
What purpose is it to contemplate the purpose Of other objects, when humans need to discover the ultimate life.
Do you evolutionists believe that a superior intelligence exists?
Do you believe that if your belief in evolution had a shred of credibility, you would acknowledge that even your silly theory demands that the human mind is NOT the end, but the beginning of a superior mind that might be as far above humans ,
as humans are above mosquitoes.
Ha, and you thought mosquitoes don't know where they came from⁉️
Hmmmm
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Post by rational on Nov 9, 2016 21:21:27 GMT -5
[="So" aamp="1478488980"]http://youtu.be/tzg-d8xF5ro[/qu This shows some of Lennart Moller's research. It is very well documented , and based on the feed back, it seems to be detailed and accepted as much as you can without being there when it happened. It has no verifiable documentation and the claims made have all been declared false.
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 23:19:31 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt s Red Sea research has been validated Lennart Moller has done impeccable research and It validates Ron Wyatts "Red Sea" documentary they used scuba equipment and found the chariots that were drowned in the sea. The video isn't very long, but there are other videos that are over an hour long. Moller is a first class research scientist at a reknown Swedish university that votes Nobel of science prizes,.
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 23:20:36 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt s Red Sea research has been validated Lennart Moller has done impeccable research and It validates Ron Wyatts "Red Sea" documentary they used scuba equipment and found the chariots that were drowned in the sea. The video isn't very long, but there are other videos that are over an hour long. Moller is a first class research scientist at a reknown Swedish university that votes Nobel of science prizes,.
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Post by So on Nov 9, 2016 23:26:40 GMT -5
rce="/post/719035/thread" timestamp="1478719484"] [/quote][ This is the video of Lennart Moller , but the narrator Is Rood awakening. It is well done short video
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2016 3:42:32 GMT -5
Do you believe that if your belief in evolution had a shred of credibility, you would acknowledge that even your silly theory demands that the human mind is NOT the end, but the beginning of a superior mind that might be as far above humans as humans are above mosquitoes.
Your statement is the reason that you do not understand what you call our "silly theory" of evolution.
You claim that the theory of evolution "demands that the human mind is NOT the end, but the beginning of a superior mind that might be as far above humans as humans are above mosquitoes."
We might WISH that this is what drives evolution, - a better mind, a more peaceful less violent temperament; but that is not what happens That is NOT what drives evolution! "Natural selection is the process by which individuals with characteristics that are advantageous for reproduction in a specific environment leave more offspring in the next generation, thereby increasing the proportion of their genes in the population gene pool over time.
Natural selection is the principal mechanism of evolutionary change, and is the most important idea in all biology. Natural selection occurs in any reproducing population faced with a changing or variable environment.
The environment includes not only physical factors such as climate or terrain, but also living factors such as predators, prey, and other members of a population.Read more: www.biologyreference.com/Mo-Nu/Natural-Selection.html#ixzz4PandMd9w
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 10, 2016 4:02:38 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt s Red Sea research has been validated Lennart Moller has done impeccable research and It validates Ron Wyatts "Red Sea" documentary they used scuba equipment and found the chariots that were drowned in the sea. The video isn't very long, but there are other videos that are over an hour long. Moller is a first class research scientist at a reknown Swedish university that votes Nobel of science prizes,. So, -we have been though this before!
Moller is NOT an archaeologist and his work has been discounted as NOT credible by archaeologists historians and biblical scholars!
Moller is indeed a scientist at Swedish university " however, he is NOT an archaeologist and his work has been criticized. Swedish archaeologist Martin Rundkvist stated that "The Exodus Case is such an extreme example of pseudo-science that any reasonably well-informed reader will wonder if Möller is joking."
A review on the Studiengemeinschaft Wort und Wissen (Study Community Word and Knowledge) website, whose members take a literal approach to the Bible, stated that it contained such "serious substantive and methodological errors" that it could not be recommended while agreeing that the Exodus took place.
Peter van der Veen and Uwe Zerbst specifically criticized his identification of Jabal al-Lawz with Mount Sinai and a number of the geographical locations he thought to be part of the Exodus route
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Post by Moller so on Nov 10, 2016 8:55:11 GMT -5
Lennart Moller has done a lot of research in the gulf of Aqaba.
It is incredible to see the video of the deteriorated chariots
It certainly confirms the account in Exodus about Egyptian chariots drowning in the sea.
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 9:03:28 GMT -5
Lennart Moller has done impeccable research and It validates Ron Wyatts "Red Sea" documentary they used scuba equipment and found the chariots that were drowned in the sea. The video isn't very long, but there are other videos that are over an hour long. Moller is a first class research scientist at a reknown Swedish university that votes Nobel of science prizes,. i]that it could not be recommended while agreeing that the Exodus took place. Peter van der Veen and Uwe Zerbst specifically criticized his identification of Jabal al-Lawz with Mount Sinai and a number of the geographical locations he thought to be part of the Exodus route [/b] [/quote][ Millions of scientists criticsize millions of other scientists, ho hohum ❗️ What can Peter say about the Egyptian chariots in the gulf of Aqaba
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Post by So on Nov 10, 2016 9:09:59 GMT -5
After passing through the sea, they came to Mt Sinai, which is in Midian, (the same as Moller identified)
Believe what you want, until Peter V is able to Post a criticism for me to evaluate, I cannot Validate his ( Peter V) position.
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