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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 14:24:30 GMT -5
Why do they speak so often about filling our place? Hymn-My one desire to worthy be and FILL THE PLACE prepared for me...
Isn't seeking place really about pride? Jesus rebuked His disciples for wanting place. Seems like certain positions in the Kingdom are viewed as place including meeting responsibilities, elevating oneself up the worker hierarchy or being in good standing with the higher ups in the work. I used to pray that I would FIT IN and FILL MY PLACE. I didn't know what it meant and still don't. Why do some use the word "place" so much??
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 15, 2015 14:43:04 GMT -5
Similarly, I've heard Christians mention that God has given all Christians a gift, and some more than one and they speak about "using their gift" and some are trying to figure out what their gift is.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2015 16:50:49 GMT -5
Why do they speak so often about filling our place? Hymn-My one desire to worthy be and FILL THE PLACE prepared for me... Isn't seeking place really about pride? Jesus rebuked His disciples for wanting place. Seems like certain positions in the Kingdom are viewed as place including meeting responsibilities, elevating oneself up the worker hierarchy or being in good standing with the higher ups in the work. I used to pray that I would FIT IN and FILL MY PLACE. I didn't know what it meant and still don't. Why do some use the word "place" so much?? I don't think "filling your place" means the same as "seeking place". I think the phrase "seeking place" means something like "social climber", or wanting to be famous or something. I think "filling you place" just means being satisfied with your lot -- even if it's a stinky one.
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Post by Lee on Nov 15, 2015 17:14:28 GMT -5
Having "place" roughly equates to being approved, and don't be all want security.... A lot of us would be happy to have some assurance we're genuinely appreciated at our jobs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 18:18:34 GMT -5
Why do they speak so often about filling our place? Hymn-My one desire to worthy be and FILL THE PLACE prepared for me... Isn't seeking place really about pride? Jesus rebuked His disciples for wanting place. Seems like certain positions in the Kingdom are viewed as place including meeting responsibilities, elevating oneself up the worker hierarchy or being in good standing with the higher ups in the work. I used to pray that I would FIT IN and FILL MY PLACE. I didn't know what it meant and still don't. Why do some use the word "place" so much?? I don't think "filling your place" means the same as "seeking place". I think the phrase "seeking place" means something like "social climber", or wanting to be famous or something. I think "filling you place" just means being satisfied with your lot -- even if it's a stinky one. wow..im gonna agree with you bob...
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2015 18:23:18 GMT -5
I don't think "filling your place" means the same as "seeking place". I think the phrase "seeking place" means something like "social climber", or wanting to be famous or something. I think "filling you place" just means being satisfied with your lot -- even if it's a stinky one. wow..im gonna agree with you bob... Remember, I was a loyal insider for most of my life, and I'm no stupider now than I was then.
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Post by blandie on Nov 15, 2015 19:04:21 GMT -5
I think maybe among the F&W's its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it.
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Post by emy on Nov 15, 2015 22:07:38 GMT -5
I think maybe among the F&W's its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it. Totally disagree. Filling your place is knowing what God wants from you and being responsive to His guidance. What Cherie said about gifts is very much the same.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2015 22:12:07 GMT -5
I think maybe among the F&W's its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it. Totally disagree. Filling your place is knowing what God wants from you and being responsive to His guidance. I think you actually agree. You just explained it from a different perspective - that's all. Do you know that if you are on one side of a turning wheel and I am on the other side of the wheel -- if we both see the wheel turning in the same direction, one of us would be lying?
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Post by emy on Nov 15, 2015 22:24:32 GMT -5
its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it.
Those statements are what I disagreed with.
Yes, I understand about the wheel. Therefore, often our disagreements are not about the topic but about where we are standing?
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Post by Lee on Nov 15, 2015 22:33:58 GMT -5
What about the foreigners and eunuchs of Isaiah 56? Did these all find their place in the 2x2? Or is loneliness and misfit part of the human condition, something to be embraced and accepted, not despised.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2015 22:56:14 GMT -5
its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it.Those statements are what I disagreed with. Yes, I understand about the wheel. Therefore, often our disagreements are not about the topic but about where we are standing? But you didn't get the allegory.
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Post by emy on Nov 15, 2015 23:06:54 GMT -5
its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it.Those statements are what I disagreed with. Yes, I understand about the wheel. Therefore, often our disagreements are not about the topic but about where we are standing? But you didn't get the allegory. Guess not. So please enlighten me.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 15, 2015 23:24:53 GMT -5
But you didn't get the allegory. Guess not. So please enlighten me. I'll try. What you said was: Filling your place is knowing what God wants from you and being responsive to His guidance. What Blandie said was : I think maybe among the F&W's its more about knowing whats NOT your place - like its not the place of the friends to question what was said from the platform and not the place of anyone but workers to explain the gospel or discuss religious stuff with outsiders and not the place to decide which meeting you'll go to and all sorts of big and little things. Those might be thought of as 'seeking place' but still doing things that are outside of one's place in the pecking order shows a lack of revelation as to knowing what your place is and trying to fill it. I understand exactly where Blandie is coming from because so many of the F&W believe that what blandie said is what God wants. On your side of the coin you say "knowing what God wants". On Blandie's side of the coin she specifies what God wants, like "God wants the friends to not question, etc..........." My opinion is that knowing what God wants from you and being responsive to His guidance is the side of the coin that actually constitutes wisdom, if not guidance, on your side of the coin.
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Post by emy on Nov 15, 2015 23:49:35 GMT -5
On Blandie's side of the coin she specifies what God wants, like "God wants the friends to not question, etc..........."
And still, I disagree that many of the F&W believe that is what God wants. More would agree that 'filling your place' means searching through reading and prayer to know what pleases the Father.
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Post by fixit on Nov 16, 2015 0:15:45 GMT -5
I used to pray that I would FIT IN and FILL MY PLACE. I didn't know what it meant and still don't. Why do some use the word "place" so much?? That's a concern that anyone would repeat a prayer and not know what it means. We should avoid doing that - I guess you would avoid it, knowing what you know now.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2015 0:45:30 GMT -5
On Blandie's side of the coin she specifies what God wants, like "God wants the friends to not question, etc..........."And still, I disagree that many of the F&W believe that is what God wants. More would agree that 'filling your place' means searching through reading and prayer to know what pleases the Father. What more of the F&W would probably SAY is exactly what you have said. That doesn't mean "more" of the F&W disagree with Blandie's specifics. The reason the F&W wouldn't say it Blandie's way is because they know perfectly well it is taboo to describe it that way, despite the fact that it is understood by most F&W to be just like that. I know -- I spent most of my life there and I know exactly what happens to people who describe it as Blandie did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 1:15:20 GMT -5
God has prepared a place for all, it is a matter whether we fill it or not. one's place.
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Post by Lee on Nov 16, 2015 9:59:55 GMT -5
Life is more terrible than that! The lines are easily blurred between salvation and escapism! For the record, does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it?
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Post by fixit on Nov 16, 2015 13:01:58 GMT -5
Life is more terrible than that! The lines are easily blurred between salvation and escapism! For the record, does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it? Does anyone really know the difference between what the Bible writers understood as salvation, compared with what modern Christians understand as salvation?
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Post by rational on Nov 16, 2015 14:07:29 GMT -5
Life is more terrible than that! The lines are easily blurred between salvation and escapism! For the record, does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it? People's lives are what they make of them. People can give credit to their favorite talisman, say it was good/bad luck, give thanks to their favorite/personal paranormal being, blame a paranormal evil being when things go bad, but at the end of the day your life is what you make of it.
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Post by blandie on Nov 16, 2015 16:23:12 GMT -5
does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it? There've been people who've experienced it - like the guy who offers up his place in a lifeboat for someone else - but that doesn't mean that the person who received it understood or appreciated it and might go on with their life viewing it as an escape instead of having been saved.
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Post by rational on Nov 16, 2015 17:48:16 GMT -5
does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it? There've been people who've experienced it - like the guy who offers up his place in a lifeboat for someone else - but that doesn't mean that the person who received it understood or appreciated it and might go on with their life viewing it as an escape instead of having been saved. Most christian believe it is deliverance from sin and its consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 22:35:04 GMT -5
There've been people who've experienced it - like the guy who offers up his place in a lifeboat for someone else - but that doesn't mean that the person who received it understood or appreciated it and might go on with their life viewing it as an escape instead of having been saved. Most christian believe it is deliverance from sin and its consequences. i would say that that is true
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Post by Lee on Nov 18, 2015 20:11:34 GMT -5
does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it? There've been people who've experienced it - like the guy who offers up his place in a lifeboat for someone else - but that doesn't mean that the person who received it understood or appreciated it and might go on with their life viewing it as an escape instead of having been saved. I would guess a lot of what one feels and experiences would depend upon what you grow up around .... how much the transcendent essence of salvation is reduced by the pragmatism of escapism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 17:30:49 GMT -5
I've heard someone express concern over counsel from a worker but then say "it's not my place to question the Servants".
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Post by Lee on Nov 26, 2015 2:42:27 GMT -5
Life is more terrible than that! The lines are easily blurred between salvation and escapism! For the record, does anyone really know what salvation is to proclaim it? People's lives are what they make of them. People can give credit to their favorite talisman, say it was good/bad luck, give thanks to their favorite/personal paranormal being, blame a paranormal evil being when things go bad, but at the end of the day your life is what you make of it. Ergo the cult of self. Such nihilism is enervating the death cults du jour.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2015 13:39:04 GMT -5
People's lives are what they make of them. People can give credit to their favorite talisman, say it was good/bad luck, give thanks to their favorite/personal paranormal being, blame a paranormal evil being when things go bad, but at the end of the day your life is what you make of it. Ergo the cult of self. Such nihilism is enervating the death cults du jour. For each individual self is all there is. Unless, of course, you can offer some verifiable proof of your contention. It isn't so much a death cult as it is an acknowledgement of what can be demonstrated - people die.
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