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Post by 007 on Sept 1, 2015 14:04:02 GMT -5
HE is a Spirit God, existing as, and in, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This is true despite the denials to the contrary by anyone revealing they present themselves as teachers of the Word in this forum.
According to the written word, He does not reveal Himself to those not believing in Him. It should be of little wonder then that any deny His true existence as described in the first sentence.
Furthermore, it has nothing to do with any religious counsel's decisions centuries later.
No, this has not been learned by being taught of others, nor through the Internet. Quite the opposite.
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Post by fixit on Sept 1, 2015 14:45:39 GMT -5
To question the proclamation above was a capital offense for many since the council of Nicaea in AD 325.
Trinitarians seem insecure. Overly sensitive to criticism.
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Post by howitis on Sept 1, 2015 14:54:55 GMT -5
To question the proclamation above was a capital offense for many since the council of Nicaea in AD 325. Trinitarians seem insecure. Overly sensitive to criticism. Careful...., here we go again!!!
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Post by 007 on Sept 1, 2015 14:55:39 GMT -5
Why, Mr Fixit, are you so overly defensive of your God equals only Father, position? Why must you constantly point to a denominational mindset from CIRCCA 350 which has nothing to do with the OP?
Repeating, God is a Spirit. Do you deny this?
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Post by fixit on Sept 1, 2015 15:27:54 GMT -5
Why, Mr Fixit, are you so overly defensive of your God equals only Father, position? Why must you constantly point to a denominational mindset from CIRCCA 350 which has nothing to do with the OP? Repeating, God is a Spirit. Do you deny this? True, God is spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:42:58 GMT -5
According to the written word, He does not reveal Himself to those not believing in Him. This doesn't seem to make any sense. If He doesn't reveal Himself until after one starts believing in Him, then how does one ever start to believe in Him? Surely God has to reveal himself to the prospective believer before the prospective believer begins to believe in Him? If He doesn't reveal Himself to non believers, surely no non believer could ever start to belive in Him as no non believer would ever know who He is or that He is even there? Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:06:10 GMT -5
According to the written word, He does not reveal Himself to those not believing in Him. This doesn't seem to make any sense. If He doesn't reveal Himself until after one starts believing in Him, then how does one ever start to believe in Him? Surely God has to reveal himself to the prospective believer before the prospective believer begins to believe in Him? If He doesn't reveal Himself to non believers, surely no non believer could ever start to belive in Him as no non believer would ever know who He is or that He is even there? Matt10 He does reveal Himself in that He draws those whom He chooses to His Son to then learn of Him if they choose to follow The Son. If they choose not the invitation then God is not revealed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:17:21 GMT -5
This doesn't seem to make any sense. If He doesn't reveal Himself until after one starts believing in Him, then how does one ever start to believe in Him? Surely God has to reveal himself to the prospective believer before the prospective believer begins to believe in Him? If He doesn't reveal Himself to non believers, surely no non believer could ever start to belive in Him as no non believer would ever know who He is or that He is even there? Matt10 He does reveal Himself in that He draws those whom He chooses to His Son to then learn of Him if they choose to follow The Son. If they choose not the invitation then God is not revealed This makes even less sense. If He chooses someone in, say rural Mongolia who has never heard of God or His son Jesus, how does he draw this person to His Son? Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:25:30 GMT -5
He does reveal Himself in that He draws those whom He chooses to His Son to then learn of Him if they choose to follow The Son. If they choose not the invitation then God is not revealed This makes even less sense. If He chooses someone in, say rural Mongolia who has never heard of God or His son Jesus, how does he draw this person to His Son? Matt10 read about the Ethiopian eunuch Acts 8:27
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:33:57 GMT -5
This makes even less sense. If He chooses someone in, say rural Mongolia who has never heard of God or His son Jesus, how does he draw this person to His Son? Matt10 read about the Ethiopian eunuch Acts 8:27 I'll file that one under 'Questions believers can't answer'. Matt10
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Post by gustaf on Sept 1, 2015 16:35:39 GMT -5
According to the written word, He does not reveal Himself to those not believing in Him. This doesn't seem to make any sense. If He doesn't reveal Himself until after one starts believing in Him, then how does one ever start to believe in Him? Surely God has to reveal himself to the prospective believer before the prospective believer begins to believe in Him? If He doesn't reveal Himself to non believers, surely no non believer could ever start to belive in Him as no non believer would ever know who He is or that He is even there? Matt10 Simple....By Faith we are saved. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Try turning the other cheek. Or loving your enemy. It takes Faith. Then you can see his Truth. Then he reveals himself and his glory. Before that faith is just another word. The devil does everything he can to hide the glory of Christ. He will lie to you all day long to keep you in the dark. Hope, Faith, and Charity(LOVE) just like the bible says. Of course the Golden rule is a great reference when in doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:35:46 GMT -5
read about the Ethiopian eunuch Acts 8:27 I'll file that one under 'Questions believers can't answer'. Matt10 so you can't be bothered reading? that was my answer
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Post by hberry on Sept 1, 2015 16:37:50 GMT -5
read about the Ethiopian eunuch Acts 8:27 I'll file that one under 'Questions believers can't answer'. Matt10 I don't doubt that God can work in the heart of a geographically isolated person through the Spirit without that person ever hearing about Jesus in this lifetime. I don't see that "coming to the Father through Jesus" means that the person whose heart is being drawn has to know that it is Jesus through the Spirit who is calling him to God. He is, after all, God. But, that's just my take on it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 16:49:10 GMT -5
This doesn't seem to make any sense. If He doesn't reveal Himself until after one starts believing in Him, then how does one ever start to believe in Him? Surely God has to reveal himself to the prospective believer before the prospective believer begins to believe in Him? If He doesn't reveal Himself to non believers, surely no non believer could ever start to belive in Him as no non believer would ever know who He is or that He is even there? Matt10 Simple....By Faith we are saved. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Try turning the other cheek. Or loving your enemy. It takes Faith. Then you can see his Truth. Then he reveals himself and his glory. Before that faith is just another word. The devil does everything he can to hide the glory of Christ. He will lie to you all day long to keep you in the dark. Hope, Faith, and Charity(LOVE) just like the bible says. Of course the Golden rule is a great reference when in doubt. No, -it doesn't take "faith" in a supernatural being to "turn the other cheek" or to "love your enemy." It just needs an understanding of why people do the things that they do & try to reciprocate in a positive instead of negative manner.
The "Golden rule" was around log before Jesus used that idea.
Certainly is convenient to have a "devil" to blame for one's mistakes!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:58:38 GMT -5
This doesn't seem to make any sense. If He doesn't reveal Himself until after one starts believing in Him, then how does one ever start to believe in Him? Surely God has to reveal himself to the prospective believer before the prospective believer begins to believe in Him? If He doesn't reveal Himself to non believers, surely no non believer could ever start to belive in Him as no non believer would ever know who He is or that He is even there? Matt10 Simple....By Faith we are saved. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Try turning the other cheek. Or loving your enemy. It takes Faith. Then you can see his Truth. Then he reveals himself and his glory. Before that faith is just another word. The devil does everything he can to hide the glory of Christ. He will lie to you all day long to keep you in the dark. Hope, Faith, and Charity(LOVE) just like the bible says. Of course the Golden rule is a great reference when in doubt. Was that (a) he reveals himself to non believers before they become believers or (b) he doesn't reveal himself to non believers but waits until they become believers before revealing himself. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 17:05:32 GMT -5
I'll file that one under 'Questions believers can't answer'. Matt10 I don't doubt that God can work in the heart of a geographically isolated person through the Spirit without that person ever hearing about Jesus in this lifetime. I don't see that "coming to the Father through Jesus" means that the person whose heart is being drawn has to know that it is Jesus through the Spirit who is calling him to God. He is, after all, God. But, that's just my take on it. Perhaps the deficiency is mine but I really didn't follow any of that. But at least you didn't have to rely on links, you tube videos or send me off to look up scripture in a bible I don't have to make your point. My ambition here is to meet a believer who can answer questions on their beliefs on a regular basis and in a comprehensible manner in their own words. Sometimes I wish I could revert to being a believer for a day to see how I, the believer, would cope. I expect not very well. Matt10
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 17:41:33 GMT -5
HE is a Spirit God, existing as, and in, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This is true despite the denials to the contrary by anyone revealing they present themselves as teachers of the Word in this forum. According to the written word, He does not reveal Himself to those not believing in Him. It should be of little wonder then that any deny His true existence as described in the first sentence. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with any religious counsel's decisions centuries later. No, this has not been learned by being taught of others, nor through the Internet. Quite the opposite. What has James Bond got to do with this? I thought Saul was an unbeliever before the Damascus Rd experience.
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Post by gustaf on Sept 1, 2015 17:49:30 GMT -5
Simple....By Faith we are saved. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah. Try turning the other cheek. Or loving your enemy. It takes Faith. Then you can see his Truth. Then he reveals himself and his glory. Before that faith is just another word. The devil does everything he can to hide the glory of Christ. He will lie to you all day long to keep you in the dark. Hope, Faith, and Charity(LOVE) just like the bible says. Of course the Golden rule is a great reference when in doubt. No, -it doesn't take "faith" in a supernatural being to "turn the other cheek" or to "love your enemy." It just needs an understanding of why people do the things that they do & try to reciprocate in a positive instead of negative manner.
The "Golden rule" was around log before Jesus used that idea.
Certainly is convenient to have a "devil" to blame for one's mistakes! Its a journey you have to go on your self...Spirit over flesh...
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Post by 007 on Sept 1, 2015 18:20:09 GMT -5
HE is a Spirit God, existing as, and in, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This is true despite the denials to the contrary by anyone revealing they present themselves as teachers of the Word in this forum. According to the written word, He does not reveal Himself to those not believing in Him. It should be of little wonder then that any deny His true existence as described in the first sentence. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with any religious counsel's decisions centuries later. No, this has not been learned by being taught of others, nor through the Internet. Quite the opposite. What has James Bond got to do with this? I thought Saul was an unbeliever before the Damascus Rd experience. James Bond has nothing to do with this, why should you suggest it? Review calls himself 005, if another chooses 007 it is to be faulted? Yes, Saul believed in God. That is very clear, and the Spirit revealed Himself as the Word made flesh to him. It is very difficult to leave "I" and the personal pronouns behind here, isn't it?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 18:36:02 GMT -5
No, -it doesn't take "faith" in a supernatural being to "turn the other cheek" or to "love your enemy." It just needs an understanding of why people do the things that they do & try to reciprocate in a positive instead of negative manner.
The "Golden rule" was around log before Jesus used that idea.
Certainly is convenient to have a "devil" to blame for one's mistakes! Its a journey you have to go on your self...Spirit over flesh... Does not everyone go on a "journey" of thought though out their lives?
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 18:47:57 GMT -5
What has James Bond got to do with this? I thought Saul was an unbeliever before the Damascus Rd experience. James Bond has nothing to do with this, why should you suggest it? Review calls himself 005, if another chooses 007 it is to be faulted? Yes, Saul believed in God. That is very clear, and the Spirit revealed Himself as the Word made flesh to him. It is very difficult to leave "I" and the personal pronouns behind here, isn't it? Perhaps because of the James Bond, 007 -novels connection of the author, Ian Fleming?
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 1, 2015 18:58:50 GMT -5
That is very clear, and the Spirit revealed Himself as the Word made flesh to him. I saw that in a scary movie one time.
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Post by bubbles on Sept 1, 2015 19:41:23 GMT -5
What has James Bond got to do with this? I thought Saul was an unbeliever before the Damascus Rd experience. James Bond has nothing to do with this, why should you suggest it? Review calls himself 005, if another chooses 007 it is to be faulted? Yes, Saul believed in God. That is very clear, and the Spirit revealed Himself as the Word made flesh to him. It is very difficult to leave "I" and the personal pronouns behind here, isn't it? I was yanking your chain!
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Post by fixit on Sept 1, 2015 20:09:37 GMT -5
To question the proclamation above was a capital offense for many since the council of Nicaea in AD 325. Trinitarians seem insecure. Overly sensitive to criticism. Yes, we have a very pedantic God, as you put it yesterday The Father was so pedantic that He called His Son, God. If it's good enough for the Father, it should be good enough for us? You're interpreting scripture incorrectly, but I don't expect you to consider it with an open mind anytime soon. Here's another way to interpret Hebrews 1:8...
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Post by hberry on Sept 1, 2015 20:37:32 GMT -5
I don't doubt that God can work in the heart of a geographically isolated person through the Spirit without that person ever hearing about Jesus in this lifetime. I don't see that "coming to the Father through Jesus" means that the person whose heart is being drawn has to know that it is Jesus through the Spirit who is calling him to God. He is, after all, God. But, that's just my take on it. Perhaps the deficiency is mine but I really didn't follow any of that. But at least you didn't have to rely on links, you tube videos or send me off to look up scripture in a bible I don't have to make your point. My ambition here is to meet a believer who can answer questions on their beliefs on a regular basis and in a comprehensible manner in their own words. Sometimes I wish I could revert to being a believer for a day to see how I, the believer, would cope. I expect not very well. Matt10 Well, I stated it rather obtusely. All I mean is that if God wants to save someone, He can. I believe we come to God through Jesus (which is what Jesus said), but that doesn't mean that the person Jesus draws to God needs to have heard of Jesus--just respond to the drawing power of the Spirit by believing in God. If they are in Outer Mongolia and will never hear the gospel preached in their lifetime, that does not condemn the person who responds to a lost eternity. In other words, I don't think you have to believe in God first and then He begins His work in your life; rather that He begins His work in your heart and you respond then in belief in God. But maybe that wasn't the question...I've lost track, courtesy of the nascent trinity debate that is erupting....again.
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Post by gustaf on Sept 1, 2015 20:43:32 GMT -5
Its a journey you have to go on your self...Spirit over flesh... Does not everyone go on a "journey" of thought though out their lives?Have you went from flesh to Spirit? Have you walked thru the valley of the shadow of death? Just because you have not does not mean no has does it? Oh yew of little faith!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 2:32:09 GMT -5
]You're interpreting scripture incorrectly, but I don't expect you to consider it with an open mind anytime soon. How do you determine what the correct interpretation of scripture is? Do you have any specific qualification in languages or theology, or have you had any special revelation, or do you have access to any specific expertise, that would make your interpretation of scripture more credible than anyone else's? If not, what is it that enables you to accurately identify inaccuracies in other believers' interpretations of scripture? Matt10
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2015 2:38:51 GMT -5
Does not everyone go on a "journey" of thought though out their lives? Have you went from flesh to Spirit? Have you walked thru the valley of the shadow of death? Just because you have not does not mean no has does it? Oh yew of little faith! What has the yew tree got to do with the journey ?
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