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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2015 3:08:10 GMT -5
BERT, when it comes to "CARE FOR OTHER's you are the absolute epitome, -the perfect example of someone who lacks any kind of compassion or "CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE" You are the personification of lack of care, -you are the embodiment or lack of care.
I can think of no one that can even begin to hold a candle to you in that department.
You have never answered the question of WHEN did you hear about the **TRUTH** as an adult or a child.
You sound like some kind of a neophyte, an egotistical cad who thinks that he suddenly has something by the tail & carelessly whirls it around not caring one iota who he destroys!
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 3:34:19 GMT -5
BERT, when it comes to "CARE FOR OTHER's you are the absolute epitome, -the perfect example of someone who lacks any kind of compassion or "CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE" You are the personification of lack of care, -you are the embodiment or lack of care.
I can think of no one that can even begin to hold a candle to you in that department.
You have never answered the question of WHEN did you hear about the **TRUTH** as an adult or a child.
You sound like some kind of a neophyte, an egotistical cad who thinks that he suddenly has something by the tail & carelessly whirls it around not caring one iota who he destroys!
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb The debate is NOT lost when you state the truth.
NOW YOU ARE ACTING NO BETTER THAN BERT, JESSIE!!
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2015 3:45:10 GMT -5
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb The debate is NOT lost when you state the truth.
NOW YOU ARE ACTING NO BETTER THAN BERT, JESSIE!!You're joking- right? Your are joking- right?It is well known that ad hominem (attacks against the person), are made when one can't discuss the issue in a rational fact based way.
They certainly aren't the "best kind" & don't "challenge anyone to take inventory of themselves & grow!"
They are more apt to anger the person, which was their intention.
Such attacks do not add any enlightment on the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 3:50:43 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, SOME secular books claim Jesus was killed for political reasons. However the bible states that Jesus was killed for religious reasons.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 9, 2015 3:59:09 GMT -5
So... logic please. Q - WHO is responsible for taking the rate of single-parents from 2 or 3% to nearly 50% ? A - those who said they "cared" for the single parent.
I put it to you that such people didn't really "care" at all. Bert you are doing the same thing you accuse ex's of doing, generalizing ! What about those that have been left by their husbands to raise their children on their own ? What is your view on them ? Or those that have suffered abuse, are they suppose to stay with their partner & keep suffering rather than be a single parent ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 4:05:26 GMT -5
In the so-called "single parent" debate there are three players - him, her and their society. The Australian tax payer is footing the bill for raising half the country's kids, am I correct in saying that? Where are the fathers?
Like most issues it comes down to 1 - cruel to be kind 2 - kind to be cruel.
Which opinion are you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 4:20:19 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, SOME secular books claim Jesus was killed for political reasons. However the bible states that Jesus was killed for religious reasons. Well, of course the bible says that!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 4:33:31 GMT -5
obviously they didn't use God's help to stop smoking or had no real desire to give up at allwhy blame the workers of long ago who are more than likely dead? You, virgo and bert, -Don't you two even TRY to tell me that my father "didn't use God's help to stop smoking or had no real desire to give up at all!"
I witnessed his struggles. You two make me absolutely sick at my stomach!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 4:34:28 GMT -5
Quote - "I witnessed his struggles. You two make me absolutely sick at my stomach!" Who, me?! I wasn't even following that line of conversation!no but you are still a bad bad boy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 4:36:12 GMT -5
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb The debate is NOT lost when you state the truth.
NOW YOU ARE ACTING NO BETTER THAN BERT, JESSIE!!yea jessie you are a bad bad boy
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2015 4:39:42 GMT -5
BERT, when it comes to "CARE FOR OTHER's you are the absolute epitome, -the perfect example of someone who lacks any kind of compassion or "CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE" You are the personification of lack of care, -you are the embodiment or lack of care.
I can think of no one that can even begin to hold a candle to you in that department.
You have never answered the question of WHEN did you hear about the **TRUTH** as an adult or a child.
You sound like some kind of a neophyte, an egotistical cad who thinks that he suddenly has something by the tail & carelessly whirls it around not caring one iota who he destroys!
People who make ad homiem remarks ( attack the person rather than the subject) tend to reveal more about themselves that they do the person being attacked.
definition of ad homiem:
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 4:45:28 GMT -5
The debate is NOT lost when you state the truth.
NOW YOU ARE ACTING NO BETTER THAN BERT, JESSIE!! You're joking- right? Your are joking- right?It is well known that ad hominem (attacks against the person), are made when one can't discuss the issue in a rational fact based way.
They certainly aren't the "best kind" & don't "challenge anyone to take inventory of themselves & grow!"
They are more apt to anger the person, which was their intention.
Such attacks do not add any enlightment on the issue. NO, I'M NOT joking! Oct 21, 2012 15:01:17 GMT -5 dmmichgood said: Your are joking- right?
It is well known that ad hominem (attacks against the person), are made when one can't discuss the issue in a rational fact based way. They certainly aren't the "best kind" & don't "challenge anyone to take inventory of themselves & grow!" They are more apt to anger the person, which was their intention. Such attacks do not add any enlightement on the issue. I still agree with that!
However, At this time with this person, named Bert, -there is no way that you can "discuss the issue in a rational fact based way."
Bert has been "challenged" to reconsider his attitude and he just keeps on making these same absurd remarks criticizing innocent people with his same kind of uncaring attitude over & over again!
He lets it all slide off as if it doesn't matter & seems to consider himself so perfect that none of these problems that other people suffer from could ever possibly happen to him.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2015 4:49:58 GMT -5
Bert's line of thought has been completely missed, again. That is why you are wrong with your personal ad hominem attack DMG.
(definition of ad hominem argument:)
AN abusive personal attack insulting or belittling ones opponents in order to attack their claims or invalidate their arguments that is irrelevant to the topic.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 5:05:53 GMT -5
BERT, when it comes to "CARE FOR OTHER's you are the absolute epitome, -the perfect example of someone who lacks any kind of compassion or "CARE FOR OTHER PEOPLE" You are the personification of lack of care, -you are the embodiment or lack of care.
I can think of no one that can even begin to hold a candle to you in that department.
You have never answered the question of WHEN did you hear about the **TRUTH** as an adult or a child.
You sound like some kind of a neophyte, an egotistical cad who thinks that he suddenly has something by the tail & carelessly whirls it around not caring one iota who he destroys!
People who make ad homiem remarks ( attack the person rather than the subject) tend to reveal more about themselves that they do the person being attacked.
definition of ad homiem:
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect 2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
These are some of Bert's attacks:
"And there are critics of "my" church who
1. clearly never understood, 2. never lived up to their vows, 3. couldn't cope with the experiences, 4. never took an interest in actually listening or 5. take the time to read a bible.
Jesse, I suppose that you don't call these posts of BERT'S ad hominem* attacks on a whole group of people?!
*ad hominem attacks "abusive personal attack insulting or belittling ones opponents in order to attack their claims or invalidate their arguments that is irrelevant to the topic."
People he doesn't even know!!!
And then Bert has the gall, the audacity to call it "HIS" church!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 9, 2015 5:10:07 GMT -5
Quote - "A lot fewer than who?" Cultures where there is little moderation, self-control, respect for authority, care of others or intolerance for self-destructive behavior.I wonder what would have happened if it had been you who met the woman with the five husbands, or the woman who was to be stoned because of adultery? Or what would you have done to the likes of my mother, whos husband ran off with another woman and left her because she loves God? And she never remarried because of her faith? The type of person who you say drains the welfare state. We pay taxes too, and I think it's better that the money goes to the poor, instead of the the rubbish that our governments waste it on. And it would be right in Gods eyes! Luckily Jesus didn't think like you do Luke 18 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. He said all you have, not just some of your taxes!
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2015 5:17:02 GMT -5
dmmichgood Why are you bringing that up? It has nothing to do with completely missing bert's line of thought and your obvious and direct ad hominem personal attack on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 5:46:51 GMT -5
Hey REDBACK! Prospects for that Dandelion Wine tasting are starting to look a tad dim at the moment.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 9, 2015 6:11:42 GMT -5
In the so-called "single parent" debate there are three players - him, her and their society. The Australian tax payer is footing the bill for raising half the country's kids, am I correct in saying that? Where are the fathers?
Like most issues it comes down to 1 - cruel to be kind 2 - kind to be cruel.
Which opinion are you? Bert as I have said before, and you don't seem to "get it". If a father doesn't want to pay child support for his children all he has to do is stop work or have his own business ! Who do you propose will make a father pay child support ? The Child Support Agency can only get money from a parent if they have a wage, so what do they do either stop work or start there own business and put down that they earn $20,000 a year ! Therefore the mother is left to try & raise the children on her own. So what about the people who are unemployed Bert, is the taxpayer keeping them too, or those on a disability pension ?
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Post by matisse on Jul 9, 2015 6:14:38 GMT -5
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb Are you thinking that someone is a "loser", Jesse? Are you hiding behind Socretes' words to imply that someone a "loser"? Re. Attacking the message and not the messenger: I suppose when one declares another's post here on TMB to be "stupid", Jesse, one could argue that one has attacked the message and not the messenger. I agree with Socrates and Whithecomb. I would like to suggest that sometimes there is not much difference between attacking the message and attacking the messenger.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 9, 2015 6:23:10 GMT -5
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Jul 1, 2015 at 5:11am hberry said: I've been feeling much the same. I've deleted several posts, not because they were snarky or unkind, but because I knew what would happen based on was happening and it wasn't worth the effort.
Just a note...This is the same thing that was happening when we started TLC to get away from that very thing.
hberry I've deleted many posts for the exact same reason. Sometimes I wonder if snarky posts are ones that should be posted. Especially when you see nearly 100% snark from exe posters like Roselyn T. It helps lot to block snarky posters like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 6:24:08 GMT -5
Roselyn - you advocate kind to be cruel.
ie kind to the father, cruel to the mother and children. If we were cruel to dead-beat dads we could put them in jail for child abuse. This way we could be kind to the kids, mother and in a way, father as well. Won't happen though. We simply don't have sufficient outrage.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 9, 2015 6:30:09 GMT -5
Roselyn - you advocate kind to be cruel.
ie kind to the father, cruel to the mother and children. If we were cruel to dead-beat dads we could put them in jail for child abuse. This way we could be kind to the kids, mother and in a way, father as well. Won't happen though. We simply don't have sufficient outrage. No Bert, I know first hand what happens when a father doesn't pay child support for his children ! I also know what the limits are of The Child Support Agency to get money from a father who doesn't want to pay. Putting the father in jail still won't give the mother money to raise the children ! And the taxpayer will have to pay to keep the father in jail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 6:35:11 GMT -5
Yes it will. No father wants to go to jail.
And also - you send a very strong message to all men.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 9, 2015 6:39:12 GMT -5
Who keeps the father in jail ? The Taxpayer !
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 9, 2015 6:46:16 GMT -5
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates "When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate." - Addison Whithecomb Are you thinking that someone is a "loser", Jesse? Are you hiding behind Socretes' words to imply that someone a "loser"? Re. Attacking the message and not the messenger: I suppose when one declares another's post here on TMB to be "stupid", Jesse, one could argue that one has attacked the message and not the messenger. I didn't even think of what you said in that first paragraph. My mind doesn't work that way. As for the rest maybe DMG's answer applies? The debate is NOT lost when you state the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 6:49:30 GMT -5
Who keeps the father in jail ? The Taxpayer ! Remember, I am not suggesting this will happen, okay? If you have a society which was bankrupt (like Greece?) and could no longer afford a lavish welfare system you might want to consider this - most deadbeat dads would prefer to support their kids than go to jail. Jail is not the proposal, it's a deterrent. The alternative of course is to have a strictly moral and religious society where people don't dare step out of line for fear of societal shame and family honor. That won't happen either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 7:05:12 GMT -5
The Australian welfare system costs us about $190,000,000,000. We are a small country - that's a lot of money. We were described by one English economist as "Greece with mines." When no-one wants our minerals (or the Greens close the mines down) then all those pensioners, disability folk, refugees and unemployed are going to be fighting it out with the single mothers. I know who will come off second or third or fourth best.
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Post by matisse on Jul 9, 2015 7:45:57 GMT -5
Are you thinking that someone is a "loser", Jesse? Are you hiding behind Socretes' words to imply that someone a "loser"? Re. Attacking the message and not the messenger: I suppose when one declares another's post here on TMB to be "stupid", Jesse, one could argue that one has attacked the message and not the messenger. I didn't even think of what you said in that first paragraph. My mind doesn't work that way. Your use of the Socrates quote reminds me of the time a kid came to me to report that another kid was "telling" on him! Perhaps you are two of a kind!
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