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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:15:55 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this.
I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:47:58 GMT -5
There's a saying I have heard many times in meetings, "Don't be looking for examples, be one yourself." Some have used impropriety from some sad person or another in our church (people who's behavior we certainly wouldn't approve of) to justify themselves by immersing themselves in a world loving culture of impropriety - where there's no disapproval whatsoever. Go figure.
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Post by fixit on Jul 6, 2015 21:59:59 GMT -5
There's a saying I have heard many times in meetings, "Don't be looking for examples, be one yourself." The above quote should never be an excuse to justify a bad example. Matthew 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. 14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:06:50 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? in political circles its called the "greivance industry"...
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 6, 2015 22:51:58 GMT -5
I see far more friends being hurt, offended, disappointed etc and talking about it compared to ex-members. The vast majority of ex-members move on pretty quickly - I know hundreds upon hundreds who don't post or say anything negative publicly. When you consider the thousands of ex members around the world now and the scant comments that are made I wouldn't be over-emphasising the ex-movement (which doesn't really exist). I see Ross over 15 years and 1570 posts later still dwelling in his ex 2x2 experiences and returning and feeding upon his disappointments etc with each post. Ross is definitely not one of the ' vast majority of ex-members move on pretty quickly''When you consider the thousands of members around the world and the scant comments that those who left deadness of a denomination they were in and found Christ I wouldn't be over emphasising when I say these people move on and don't live in the miserable existence of posting of their disappointment in their old religious experience. They are too joyful and too taken up with their life in Christ to be still posting 15 years and 1570 posts later about the old dead thing they left. You're only the 3rd worker that I've ever heard from that acknowledge people can and do have a life in Christ outside of meetings. I'm genuinely pleased to read that and I wish there was more of it! (Assuming you were meaning their 'old religious experience' was meetings)
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Post by Greg on Jul 6, 2015 23:25:12 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? Are you trotting out the story for your agenda? Even if you do not get into specifics, bringing up what you did can be considered self-serving. In my opinion, when people want to place blame on and in their professing life, this is the order: 1 - God. 2 - Self 3 - Parents/heritage 4 - The workers.
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Post by Greg on Jul 6, 2015 23:28:46 GMT -5
I see Ross over 15 years and 1570 posts later still dwelling in his ex 2x2 experiences and returning and feeding upon his disappointments etc with each post. Ross is definitely not one of the ' vast majority of ex-members move on pretty quickly''When you consider the thousands of members around the world and the scant comments that those who left deadness of a denomination they were in and found Christ I wouldn't be over emphasising when I say these people move on and don't live in the miserable existence of posting of their disappointment in their old religious experience. They are too joyful and too taken up with their life in Christ to be still posting 15 years and 1570 posts later about the old dead thing they left. You're only the 3rd worker that I've ever heard from that acknowledge people can and do have a life in Christ outside of meetings. I'm genuinely pleased to read that and I wish there was more of it! (Assuming you were meaning their 'old religious experience' was meetings) I am not sure what he thinks/believes, but what he is writing here is of those in the meetings that left deadness of a denomination and *supposedly) found Christ in the meetings.
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Post by withlove on Jul 7, 2015 0:44:07 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? Hi, ettu. The lady you talk about must have been here before I was, so I can't speak about her experience, but in general, it is important to talk about abuse before healing can begin. It isn't easy to do. If she was harassed by other posters, that isn't right. No one should feel pressured to talk until they are ready and only to someone they trust. But hope that it was to her benefit and also to others for her story to get out. Where people really keeping her in the dark? Not sure that a person can be totally healed here, so I hope she has gone "on to be healed off stage." In an emotionally safe place where there aren't arguments. Having said that, these boards have been very good for my process. You have a good point about God's healing often being left out of the discussion. Admin mentioned recently that there is a Study Scripture board and a Publish His Deeds board. There also is a theists only thread. Not that we have to banish God to those places only. Remember that some of the exes here don't believe in the Christian God and so that would account for some of what you are talking about. Maybe it would be nice to have a section for people who are healing and those who have come through it?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2015 1:55:18 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory?
It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? Ettu, Do you have any idea of just exactly how a person's life can actually be ruined by csa -Child Sexual Assault?
I don't care whether it happens by someone in the F&W's, - an elder or a worker, a Catholic priest, an Anglican priest, a Baptist minister.
A young girl could have a baby, -stigmatized for the rest of her life, -no one wants to marry her and with a baby to care for as well.
A child could actually be physically damaged and left with need of medical help.
A child can be emotionally damaged to where they can never really enjoy sexual a relationship as an adult.
Can you tell us just how they can "turn every bad thing into victory?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 2:33:35 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, I Googled this for you. All the cool movies on child abuse!
and there's a whole heap more on this site answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121205235908AAZROvBChild of Rage This is a true story about seven-year-old Catherine, who was adopted with her brother by a loving couple. Over time, her strange behavior, short temper and frequent mood swings alert her parents to a deep-rooted history of abuse. A Child's Cry A social worker starts working with a shy, withdrawn 6 year old whom she believes is the victim of sexual abuse. In The Best Interest of the Child A mother faces kidnapping charges when she prevents her husband from seeing their daughter. She thinks he has been sexually abusing the child. I Know My First Name is Steven On December 4, 1972, seven-year-old Steven Stayner got into a car with a stranger who convinced the boy that he was his new dad. Steven was mentally and physically abused in the most horrifying ways. Liar, Liar: Between Father and Daughter This is a story of a celebrated case in Canada in which a father is accused of molesting his young daughter, who may not be telling the whole story. Sins of the Mother The story of the bizarre relationship between a domineering, manipulative mother and her emotionally dependent son, a violent serial rapist. Shattered Trust: The Shari Karney Story A California attorney working on a sexual abuse case experiences flashbacks that reveal suppressed memories of incest in her own family. You Belong To Me Forever An idealistic female district attorney is caught up in protecting a young girl from her abusive, ruthless father. Unable to save the child in court, the attorney escapes with her into hiding. Untamed Love The true story of an abused, maladjusted, highly intelligent child who is committed to a mental asylum after she ties up a little boy to a tree and sets him on fire. Her special education teacher, Maggie, takes a particular interest in her when she realizes the girl's potential. While Justice Sleeps A widow in a rural Montana town discovers that for years, her young daughter had been molested by a close family friend. When he eludes the justice system, she takes the law into her own hands. Trapped In Silence Kevin is a silent, violent teenager caged within himself until he meets Jennifer, a psychologist with unorthodox methods. Called upon in a last ditch effort to bring Kevin out, Jennifer discovers that his silence is self-inflicted. A Mother's Right: The Elizabeth Morgan Story A woman is jailed for refusing to reveal the location of her daughter, whom she claims was molested by her ex-husband. Judgment Day: The Ellie Nessler Story A Bible-quoting mother is put on trial for murder after she shoots a camp counselor who sexually molested her seven-year-old son at summer camp. For The Love Of A Child: The Childhelp USA Story Think about it -- if you had to choose between a life of fame and fortune in Hollywood or putting and end to the growing epidemic of child abuse, which would you pick? The answer was clear for rising stars Sara O'Meara and Yvonne Fedderson. They removed themselves from the spotlight and focused it on kids who have endured unthinkable physical and emotional nightmares; these women found a way to rehabilitate and give hope to children who had nowhere else to turn. Don't miss this triumphant true tale of two real-life heroines. Perfect Murder, Perfect Town -- The JonBenet Ramsey Story The bizarre killing of six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey stunned the nation and saturated the airwaves. Chasing Secrets An older African-American couple in a rural Southern community befriend a young girl trying to escape her abusive family. They open their hearts despite what could happen to them. Do You Know The Muffin Man? Roger Dollison, a police officer, and his wife Kendra are living the american dream. They have two children, Teddy and Sandy, and a lovely home and a dog named Rex. What they know and how they live as a family is irreparably changed one day when it is discovered that a classmate of Teddys is the apparent victim of sexual abuse and molestation at the respected neigbourhood daycare centre.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2015 3:18:07 GMT -5
Bert, what is "cool" about child abuse?
You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool"
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 7, 2015 4:26:25 GMT -5
Hey Bert you still have not responded to my post about Domestic Violence and just to clarify I posted exactly what I defined as Domestic Violence. So maybe you could check that out !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 7, 2015 4:27:56 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? Ettu, have you ever been sexually abused ? Have you witnessed domestic violence ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 6:59:23 GMT -5
Quote - "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool""
Since coming on the TMB about 2005 the amount of sex acts per hour on Australian TV has doubled. And that's about the same for violence too. No figures for the filthy language, but its gone off the scale (ever watch Californication?) Why? Because it's cool. And not a single mention of it on the TMB.
And it's not your typical avid fleshy glorifying TV fan who has "weird idea of what is "cool"" - it's now ME!!
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Post by emerald on Jul 7, 2015 7:34:37 GMT -5
Quote - "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool"" Since coming on the TMB about 2005 the amount of sex acts per hour on Australian TV has doubled. And that's about the same for violence too. No figures for the filthy language, but its gone off the scale (ever watch Californication?) Why? Because it's cool. And not a single mention of it on the TMB.
And it's not your typical avid fleshy glorifying TV fan who has "weird idea of what is "cool"" - it's now ME!!I seldom watch television (generally in hotels or at friends places) but last night I happened to be at a neighbour's and there was some sort of chat show on. A man was talking loudly about nothing much, guests were laughing and the conversation filled with expletives. Nobody said anything until the "star" said c*nt (yes, he was Irish...) and everyone laughed even louder as the host reminded the talking man that the word wasn't allowed. Everything else is apparently and it just proves your point Bert.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 10:24:19 GMT -5
One can heal from abuse, but not with the help of most workers and friends. They can heal with the power of God. They also need professional help and a supportive family. All I can say from my own experience that the workers and friends fled when I mentioned my abuse. One worker told me to heal in silence. Most professing family no longer speak to me since I spoke out about my abuse. Without the power of God and the help I have gotten from others I am not sure if I would still be on this earth. If it were left to the help or lack there of from the workers, friends and my family I certainly would not still be living.
This is no board for someone to seek healing from abuse to be on. Most people on this board have little to no compassion for those who have been abused.
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Post by faune on Jul 7, 2015 11:31:45 GMT -5
I see far more friends being hurt, offended, disappointed etc and talking about it compared to ex-members. The vast majority of ex-members move on pretty quickly - I know hundreds upon hundreds who don't post or say anything negative publicly. When you consider the thousands of ex members around the world now and the scant comments that are made I wouldn't be over-emphasising the ex-movement (which doesn't really exist). I see Ross over 15 years and 1570 posts later still dwelling in his ex 2x2 experiences and returning and feeding upon his disappointments etc with each post. Ross is definitely not one of the ' vast majority of ex-members move on pretty quickly''When you consider the thousands of members around the world and the scant comments that those who left deadness of a denomination they were in and found Christ I wouldn't be over emphasising when I say these people move on and don't live in the miserable existence of posting of their disappointment in their old religious experience. They are too joyful and too taken up with their life in Christ to be still posting 15 years and 1570 posts later about the old dead thing they left. Review005 ~ I've been out of the 2x2 belief system over 20 years now and have moved on in my life and I come here to support and encourage others to do the same along with Ross. The fact that we both have our memories of days pass within the 2x2's along with others who have been exposed to the abuses of the system should not surprise you. If the Perfect Way was so perfect, why are so many leaving today due to disappointment and hurt caused by both F&W's?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2015 13:53:27 GMT -5
Bert, what kind of pleasure do you have in viewing such movies?
Just viewing them sounds like a perversion.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2015 14:01:27 GMT -5
Quote - "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool"" Since coming on the TMB about 2005 the amount of sex acts per hour on Australian TV has doubled. And that's about the same for violence too. No figures for the filthy language, but its gone off the scale (ever watch Californication?) Why? Because it's cool. And not a single mention of it on the TMB. And it's not your typical avid fleshy glorifying TV fan who has "weird idea of what is "cool"" - it's now ME!! No, I never watched Californication. Never heard the word until you brought it up. I repeat, since you watch so much TV of that sort, "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool""
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Post by fixit on Jul 7, 2015 14:38:18 GMT -5
Quote - "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool"" Since coming on the TMB about 2005 the amount of sex acts per hour on Australian TV has doubled. And that's about the same for violence too. No figures for the filthy language, but its gone off the scale (ever watch Californication?) Why? Because it's cool. And not a single mention of it on the TMB. And it's not your typical avid fleshy glorifying TV fan who has "weird idea of what is "cool"" - it's now ME!! No, I never watched Californication. Never heard the word until you brought it up. I repeat, since you watch so much TV of that sort, "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool""I don't understand why Bert is such an expert in gutter-level TV programs. I suspect there would be few TMBers who would be interested in watching Californication.The Google result summary alone is enough to put me off: David Duchovny returns to series television in this adult sitcom as Hank Moody, an alcoholic, womanizing novelist struggling to help raise his precocious daughter, Becca, while still yearning for his sophisticated ex, Karen. Also featured in the show are Hank's agent, Charlie, and his one-time wife, Marcy.Bert: Try watching David Attenborough - it's better for you...
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Post by kj on Jul 7, 2015 15:34:52 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told.
How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on?
None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these.
There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife.
The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong?
Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also.
This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life.
As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 15:51:07 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. if you never have been part of the group how did you find this site?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:03:51 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. when you find perfection in any on here come and see me i'd like to know who they are
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Post by kj on Jul 7, 2015 17:05:27 GMT -5
Now someone with a threatening knife does not answer even one of my questions, but he demands I answer one of his! You must be on the side of one with license to kill, eh? As mentioned before, I simply was escorted here by a friend. Will you spare my life now? Oh, please don't kill me!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 17:14:37 GMT -5
I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa *** First of all there is NO "ex" movement. How about some compassion and love for those who have been hurt instead of trying to figure out their motives and underlying beliefs???Ettu, does it bother you if a worker gets on the platform and makes an ugly remark against those false/worldly churches?? I think most posters here acknowledge that there are good people in the fellowship. But there are some beliefs that are difficult to deal with. I don't understand why some are so worried about others being bitter (as they see it). Do these same people see the meeting system as perfect and not to be analyzed?
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Post by kj on Jul 7, 2015 17:19:01 GMT -5
Oh, what a nice little doggy. Now how can I do that when I don't know your name and address, your tags are either missing or too small to enlarge and read. Oh, I know, your master already has the answer. Well, I agree with the few I find here who believe only the Son of God is without flaw, but does your master know that? From what I read here there are two who believe that of themselves, one prefers to be known as review005 the other as, um, what's his name? As he has reached such a high state, he knows who he is.
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Post by snow on Jul 7, 2015 17:25:21 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. Good observations. Someone like you who has never been a member and therefore never an ex, probably sees the whole thing as very confusing. I am an ex, but have been one for almost 50 years. I never was too involved as I quit believing in it all about 12, but I was born and raised in the group. I am now an non believer in Gods and have been for a long time. I wish there wasn't so much antagonism between the two groups. It seems though, that the ones that left the group and became a part of another church or remained a Christian, they are the ones that seem to be the most at odds with the remaining members. Maybe it's because atheists don't have anything to defend? We just simply left after a bit of a journey of our own and never continued to have to justify our leaving the 'one true way'. Anyway, what happened that you found this group and decided to read and now to post? Did you ever know someone within this group? It's not a well known group as far as I know. Welcome in any case. Might be good to have someone that knows nothing about the group to make observations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 17:38:43 GMT -5
There are a lot of younger friends on social networking sites who see issues in the fellowship that they feel needs to be corrected. If this group doesn't see that, they will die out.
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