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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 18:42:22 GMT -5
For me, my God is a Spirit Being. Thus, for me, that Spirit Being, or any form thereof is worthy of worship. When on earth in human form, Yahu'shuah accepted worship, even going so far as to say if those did not bow down in worship, the stones would cry out. My Divine Spirit God has made Himself known to me as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If He has not to others in the year 2015, although I believe He has, He certainly did in New Testament days.
Some of those of the 2&2 preacher's religion might not accept they worship Yahu'shuah, but they do. They also pray to the Holy Spirit in song and word. That is Worship also to my understanding.
So, I pray to my Heavenly Father, my God-savior, Yahu'shuah, and The Holy Ghost (Spirit) as one God, not three, as so falsely claimed by those not believing in Him. I know that Spirit Being God of mine to manifest Himself in, and as, all three. It matters not to me that others do not believe like this. It only matters to me, for this is life eternal to me, and for which I am thankful beyond measure.
It is a belief freely given me by grace. It is nothing I deserve, but by Grace, and I extend it as freely to all others. That it maybe neither wanted nor believed by another is not in the equation for me. There have been those completely rejecting such a belief, who now believe it as strongly as myself, and worship Him in such a manner also, becoming one with me and others in doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 22:55:28 GMT -5
Quote - 'Some of those of the 2&2 preacher's religion might not accept they worship Yahu'shuah, but they do."
If you refer to Jesus then yes, we must all worship Him in spirit and in Truth. That worship also means "obedience." We don't call Jesus by his Aramaic or Hebrew name - but that doesn't matter. If it did, we might need to defer to the Jehovah Witnesses who believe that if you don't say "God's name" Jehovah then God won't hear you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 23:30:09 GMT -5
A local funeral was held up this morning when the Greek Orthodox church was late with its StGeorge's Day worship. Someone asked what is StGeorge's Day but I didn't know. They said "I thought you were religious!"
I don't know any George in the bible. And if there was such a figure, we certainly wouldn't have instruction to worship him. Religions which make it up as they go along are really putting themselves on an equal footing with God.
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Post by snow on Apr 22, 2015 23:37:22 GMT -5
Religion is made up Bert.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 23:41:04 GMT -5
Can you prove that?
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Post by fixit on Apr 22, 2015 23:42:22 GMT -5
For me, my God is a Spirit Being. Thus, for me, that Spirit Being, or any form thereof is worthy of worship. When on earth in human form, Yahu'shuah accepted worship, even going so far as to say if those did not bow down in worship, the stones would cry out. I believe the disciples were praising God in heaven.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 22, 2015 23:48:56 GMT -5
A local funeral was held up this morning when the Greek Orthodox church was late with its StGeorge's Day worship. Someone asked what is StGeorge's Day but I didn't know. They said "I thought you were religious!" I don't know any George in the bible. And if there was such a figure, we certainly wouldn't have instruction to worship him. Religions which make it up as they go along are really putting themselves on an equal footing with God. Bert! You should have known about St George's Day!
St George's Day in England remembers St George, England's patron saint.
The anniversary of his death, which is on April 23, is seen as England's national day.
According to legend, he was a soldier in the Roman army who killed a dragon and saved a princess.
Not much different that many other legends, -like a man named Jesus dieing & being raised from the dead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 23:53:04 GMT -5
And don't forget the legend of the Promised Land given to the Jews, and how they would lose that land and be persecuted after rejecting their Messiah. But in the end when the Gentiles no longer believe in the Jewish Messiah the Jews would be called back to Israel. Who on earth would make something like that up?
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 23, 2015 2:05:00 GMT -5
And don't forget the legend of the Promised Land given to the Jews, and how they would lose thatl and and be persecuted after rejecting their Messiah. But in the end when the Gentiles no longer believe in the Jewish Messiah the Jews would be called back to Israel. Who on earth would make something like that up? "Who on earth would make up something like that?"
Just about every religious legend there is.
Just check out other religious legends, Bert.
Don't just get stuck on one.
There are multitudes out there for your perusal!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 3:17:15 GMT -5
For me, my God is a Spirit Being. Thus, for me, that Spirit Being, or any form thereof is worthy of worship. When on earth in human form, Yahu'shuah accepted worship, even going so far as to say if those did not bow down in worship, the stones would cry out. My Divine Spirit God has made Himself known to me as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If He has not to others in the year 2015, although I believe He has, He certainly did in New Testament days.
Some of those of the 2&2 preacher's religion might not accept they worship Yahu'shuah, but they do. They also pray to the Holy Spirit in song and word. That is Worship also to my understanding.
So, I pray to my Heavenly Father, my God-savior, Yahu'shuah, and The Holy Ghost (Spirit) as one God, not three, as so falsely claimed by those not believing in Him. I know that Spirit Being God of mine to manifest Himself in, and as, all three. It matters not to me that others do not believe like this. It only matters to me, for this is life eternal to me, and for which I am thankful beyond measure.
It is a belief freely given me by grace. It is nothing I deserve, but by Grace, and I extend it as freely to all others. That it maybe neither wanted nor believed by another is not in the equation for me. There have been those completely rejecting such a belief, who now believe it as strongly as myself, and worship Him in such a manner also, becoming one with me and others in doing so. It's falsely claimed according the people believing in the Trinity, it's not false in my eyes. There only is only one God, the Almighty father in heaven. Christ was from the beginning, and he was in every man of God from the beginning! John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. We're all already made in the flesh, so we're made. But without God and Christ in our heart were not made in the spirit. So once we have Christ in our heart, we are made in the Spirit by him. So we are made in flesh and spirit. Because we only see God through Christ, he brings God's Spirit to us! He showed God through he's flesh and he brings God's Spirit to our hearts. So, Christ has been in every man/woman of God from the beginning, he was in Abraham. Galatians 3 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 2 Corinthians 5 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Here in both chapters it says God in Christ. They were one mind, spirit and strength. Just as we are when we let Christ in our hearts. God's spirit was within Jesus. And he listened to God completely. He put the world behind him. And went out to save others from it. He never sinned because God was within him because he gave his life to God! Dennis your saying what I believe in is false. But it said in the bible. There is only one God. And only him shall we worship. Jesus even says this himself! Matthew 4 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Deuteronomy 6:12 then watch yourself, that you do not forget the LORD who brought you from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall fear only the LORD your God; and you shall worship Him and swear by His name. You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 3:31:54 GMT -5
Yes, there is ONLY One God the Father; There is ONLY One Lord God Christ; There is Only One God the Holy Spirit= Godhead. All three can't be God then, only one God and the other two are in his image. When do you pray to the holy spirit, I pray only to my Father God.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 3:34:19 GMT -5
Yes, there is ONLY One God the Father; There is ONLY One Lord God Christ; There is Only One God the Holy Spirit= Godhead. You know what, Nathan, we're never going to change how we believe, so there's no point in going over it all again.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 3:44:23 GMT -5
In Britain you have a lord but he's not the king, he is under the king!
Jesus is the Lord, he is the Christ, he is above us in God so he is how lord, but he's not God! He is sent by God!
Messiah in Hebrew means "anointed one" Anointed means "chosen". So Jesus was chosen by God. If he was chosen, then he can't be God.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 3:53:10 GMT -5
You can do verse after verse, but it's God in Jesus, not Jesus is God! Emmanuel as you rightly said is God with us. God was with us in flesh, he was in his chosen one. His Messiah in Jesus his Christ! The word was made flesh, Jesus was bringing Gods's word to us! He is the word of God. We won't get it only through Christ!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 3:57:52 GMT -5
Anyway in not going on for another half a million pages. That's what I believe in my heart is right.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 4:02:50 GMT -5
John 17
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Does this mean I'm God?
Nathan your saying there what I am saying, God is in Jesus, but Jesus isn't God! Jesus is even saying he is doing Gods works and speaking God's words not his own!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 4:28:48 GMT -5
John 17 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. Does this mean I'm God? Nathan your saying there what I am saying, God is in Jesus, but Jesus isn't God! NO! that is not what I meant or Jesus meant either. Jesus said in John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Jesus says you believe My Father is God so Am I/God... We become the children of God through Jesus sacrificed on Calvary's Cross. The Father and the Son abide in us because we are God's children.Well that's what Jesus said! Also in John 14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. He's talking about himself and the Father, not a trinity! We have different beliefs, I'm not a mainstream Christian from the mainstream churches. I don't believe as they do. I don't believe in a religion, I believe in the almighty God and his son Jesus Christ! And I believe in going back to following Jesus as he had been taught in the beginning before religion was concocted listening to him though his people who's hearts he's been in and I have witnessed own eyes! I believe in the living God who's temple we are. Who's kingdom enters into us daily if we believe. And because he's a living God he can talk to me direct through his Spirit into my heart brought by his Christ. And they can dwell in me and God can rest in my heart. IF I give my heart and life to him! And I love him, even if I don't believe as you do! I love God with all my heart!
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Post by Mary on Apr 23, 2015 6:29:55 GMT -5
Over 1,000 times in the Bible God is called Lord and Lord God.
Deut 4: 6 Hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one God.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 6:53:29 GMT -5
Quote - "Who on earth would make something like that up?"
You didn't answer the question with anything remotely specific. I believe the things I mentioned in the bible were given to us as demonstrations of the power and reality of God. If I may repeat what Jacob said to his son Judah by way of example:
Genesis 49:10 "The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he to whom it belongs shall come and the obedience of the nations shall be his."
In that Bronze Age prophecy, given by a dying man in Egypt to one of his twelve sons, lies the rise and fall of Israel and the coming Messiah who the Gentiles will believe. I challenge you to find such depth and insight in ANY religion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 7:08:27 GMT -5
It was not my intent to start another debate upon the divinity/deity of my Lord, Yahu'shuah, rather to simply clearly and concisely state what I believe, as my time to do so is growing short. Accepting it or rejecting it is each one's prerogative however debating it is not going to change my eternal life bringing belief.
Alan and Nathan's "like" is appreciated. I wish there was a dislike button for others to use. However, It is not an issue determined by popularity vote for me. It is MY belief, and the scriptures recording the places where it is recorded various ones "worshipped" Him are meaningful to me if they are not to someone else.
Having stated my belief and this additionally, nothing more is necessary. I do not attack what others believe and express in their threads, nor will I hereafter.
Having apparently defeated the big "C" and fortunately not abused my lungs except by much second hand smoke, I cannot seem to overcome the accumulated toxins that have poisoned my systems, and which apparently Is drastically shortening my life expectancy. It must be accepted, even though I plan on fighting it to the end of life.
More and more of those exposed as I have been, are finding it ending their days on earth in this life and awareness. I meet them at the VA and the next thing I know, they have died/passed. Some of them have appeared much less affected than I and actually have appeared in better health, but no.
So, I want to die with a smile on my face, doing all I can in everything possible, with thankfulness in my mind/heart for the wonderful gift of grace I have been given, and the belief, which I am convicted I am to share as best I can.
If it isn't worthy of someone else's respect, so be that too. Que sera, sera.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 7:33:10 GMT -5
It looks like folks will never agree on this matter, so Let us sing a hymn: Our God our help in ages past, our hope for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 8:17:08 GMT -5
This thread was begun without any thought or need for anyone's agreement or approval, much less "everyone's."
Simply put, being told to put my affairs in order, this then is in part following that advice. CHF is frequently a rather silent killer. If my God determines I am to survive this too for a while longer, great! If not, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 9:18:27 GMT -5
This thread was begun without any thought or need for anyone's agreement or approval, much less "everyone's."
Simply put, being told to put my affairs in order, this then is in part following that advice. CHF is frequently a rather silent killer. If my God determines I am to survive this too for a while longer, great! If not, so be it. You've got the right spirit Dennis, can't argue with that.
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Post by snow on Apr 23, 2015 11:18:39 GMT -5
Sure, just look at all the beliefs and you can pretty much determine that religion is dogma that is man made. Now belief in God without a religion, no I can't prove that. The other is pretty much a given.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 11:29:05 GMT -5
It was not my intent to start another debate upon the divinity/deity of my Lord, Yahu'shuah, rather to simply clearly and concisely state what I believe, as my time to do so is growing short. Accepting it or rejecting it is each one's prerogative however debating it is not going to change my eternal life bringing belief.
Alan and Nathan's "like" is appreciated. I wish there was a dislike button for others to use. However, It is not an issue determined by popularity vote for me. It is MY belief, and the scriptures recording the places where it is recorded various ones "worshipped" Him are meaningful to me if they are not to someone else.
Having stated my belief and this additionally, nothing more is necessary. I do not attack what others believe and express in their threads, nor will I hereafter.
Having apparently defeated the big "C" and fortunately not abused my lungs except by much second hand smoke, I cannot seem to overcome the accumulated toxins that have poisoned my systems, and which apparently Is drastically shortening my life expectancy. It must be accepted, even though I plan on fighting it to the end of life.
More and more of those exposed as I have been, are finding it ending their days on earth in this life and awareness. I meet them at the VA and the next thing I know, they have died/passed. Some of them have appeared much less affected than I and actually have appeared in better health, but no.
So, I want to die with a smile on my face, doing all I can in everything possible, with thankfulness in my mind/heart for the wonderful gift of grace I have been given, and the belief, which I am convicted I am to share as best I can.
If it isn't worthy of someone else's respect, so be that too. Que sera, sera. Dennis I don't think I would have said anything only you said this. So, I pray to my Heavenly Father, my God-savior, Yahu'shuah, and The Holy Ghost (Spirit) as one God, not three, as so falsely claimed by those not believing in Him. I don't feel my belief in God being one God is a false belief, or A false claim, I believe it from my heart. Because it says so in the bible. Dennis, I wouldn't dislike anything you said anyway, I agree with most of what you say! I'm sorry to hear your not well I hope God blesses you with many more years Mary I said about lord Just to show because you say lord doesn't mean Jesus is God! I'm not going to go on again anyway. We'll have to agree to differ!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 12:08:12 GMT -5
It was not my intent to start another debate upon the divinity/deity of my Lord, Yahu'shuah, rather to simply clearly and concisely state what I believe, as my time to do so is growing short. Accepting it or rejecting it is each one's prerogative however debating it is not going to change my eternal life bringing belief.
Alan and Nathan's "like" is appreciated. I wish there was a dislike button for others to use. However, It is not an issue determined by popularity vote for me. It is MY belief, and the scriptures recording the places where it is recorded various ones "worshipped" Him are meaningful to me if they are not to someone else.
Having stated my belief and this additionally, nothing more is necessary. I do not attack what others believe and express in their threads, nor will I hereafter.
Having apparently defeated the big "C" and fortunately not abused my lungs except by much second hand smoke, I cannot seem to overcome the accumulated toxins that have poisoned my systems, and which apparently Is drastically shortening my life expectancy. It must be accepted, even though I plan on fighting it to the end of life.
More and more of those exposed as I have been, are finding it ending their days on earth in this life and awareness. I meet them at the VA and the next thing I know, they have died/passed. Some of them have appeared much less affected than I and actually have appeared in better health, but no.
So, I want to die with a smile on my face, doing all I can in everything possible, with thankfulness in my mind/heart for the wonderful gift of grace I have been given, and the belief, which I am convicted I am to share as best I can.
If it isn't worthy of someone else's respect, so be that too. Que sera, sera. Dennis I know a woman who had terminal lung cancer who was diagnosed just 6 months to live, she's still here over ten years later. The tumour shrunk, God can work miracles, he's the best doctor we can have. With faith all things are possible! I hope he blesses you with many years. I will keep you in my prayers. God bless!
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Post by bubbles on Apr 23, 2015 12:20:33 GMT -5
Re worship. All you believers. When you give thanks and praise for who he is and enter in to worship. Lifting the eyes of your heart and the eyes of your understanding to him. Do you experience your heart opening to his love. Do you focus on him as you would a friend. Speak to him as though he hears you. Ask him questions. Dialogue with him. Does he speak back. Give you scriptures to comfort you. Give you impressions about your life. Show you he loves you through verses that are quickened to your spirit. The reason I ask is to get the topic back. Worship changed my life. People worship differently and that is ok. I like talking about this topic. Says me who hasnt been in a worship service for a while.. There are verses covering entering the secret place where he dwells. Have you found that place.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 23, 2015 12:26:11 GMT -5
Re worship. All you believers. When you give thanks and praise for who he is and enter in to worship. Lifting the eyes of your heart and the eyes of your understanding to him. Do you experience your heart opening to his love. Do you focus on him as you would a friend. Speak to him as though he hears you. Ask him questions. Dialogue with him. Does he speak back. Give you scriptures to comfort you. Give you impressions about your life. Show you he loves you through verses that are quickened to your spirit. That's lovely, that's exactly how I feel in my heart. It's the love in our hearts that is important to God.
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