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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 15, 2015 20:33:47 GMT -5
This thread certainly gives me a greater understanding why mental illness is still so much of a stigma in society. It also explains why when there are funding cuts mental illness programs are the first to feel those cuts. If there are still people in the world that think that mental illness is the same as being demon possessed it makes sense why so little is done. This is 2015 and we still equate mental illness with being demon possessed. Rather depressing state of affairs. I agree Snow ! People think they know what they are talking about but really have no idea !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 15, 2015 20:37:31 GMT -5
So Nathan if someone drinks they are demon possessed ! Sexual perversion behaviour ... now this can be a result of many things Nathan, do you understand how Bi-Polar can effect people ? You cannot generalize Nathan ! Driving under influence of Alcohol have killed many people... Demon possessed come in many forms NOT just speaking in all different known languages, levitation, walking in four legs, or having mark 666 on people body, or forehead. Satan, fallen angels, and demons are very subtle, sneaky, very intelligent beings. Nathan what has driving under the influence of alcohol got to do with being demon possessed ? Nathan you seriously need to do some study on Bi-Polar & Mental Illness before you say such things !
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Post by rational on Apr 15, 2015 23:12:39 GMT -5
And yet with this happening all the time in many people it has never been observed or verified. How odd. Can you show us a person who has the 'mark of the beast'? Seems like there must be some examples... Wouldn't it be good to verify that this really happens? Number 666 represents the works of Satan, the fallen angels, and demons. Number 666 is close to perfection but it NOT. God's numb... <SNIP> Lots of cut/paste <snip> Do you have a single example of someone who has the 'mark of the beast'? Don't cut and paste, NathanB.
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Post by rational on Apr 15, 2015 23:21:14 GMT -5
So true. Sneaky, subtle, beguiling, deceitful. The experience we had with that Ouija board so many years ago was proof of this. When we first started using the board we made 'contact' and started communicating with an entity who called herself 'Darlene' and she told us she was from the 1800's, died of dissentary and seemed to be a good, harmless spirit. We tested her by asking her certain questions and the way she/it answered made us believe she must have lived in a different century indeed...This went on for some time. My dad was very skeptical about this Ouija board. I had one sister who really liked it. I was a bit skeptical too. Was it REALLY a good spirit? hmmm. One day, it went all haywire and started spelling out things that very unlike this benevolent 'Darlene'. So, my other sister confronted the entity and just flat out asked, "Who are you?! Are you Darlene or the devil?!" It answered the devil and started flying around all over the place. I gotta hand to my one dear sister who very decisively just told the evil spirit, "That's enough of you. I'm going to throw you in the stove to burn. We don't want you here." And that was the end of it. But, see how we were fooled? On many levels. Look into the ideomotor effect. A starting point.
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Post by rational on Apr 15, 2015 23:23:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's not a Urinary Tract Infection. :-) I'm guessing it is! The first thing to check when the elderly seem to lose their minds!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 16, 2015 1:27:12 GMT -5
This thread certainly gives me a greater understanding why mental illness is still so much of a stigma in society. It also explains why when there are funding cuts mental illness programs are the first to feel those cuts. If there are still people in the world that think that mental illness is the same as being demon possessed it makes sense why so little is done. This is 2015 and we still equate mental illness with being demon possessed. Rather depressing state of affairs. Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... To deceive most people in the world, Satan wants us to believe demon possessed does NOT exist today! Satan, and the fallen are NOT real. They are created by our own imagination. It's all in your mind. It is easier for the demons to take over people bodies when they are NOT stable in their thinking, minds, and being sexually abused as children.
Those of us have encountered spiritual warfare with evil entities we know better.... THEY are REAL! as you and me but they can be invisible to the naked eyes. They can show themselves as they wish, they can take on bodily form, Orbs, etc...
I've been looking up in the kjv bible for the word demon and it isn't there, the word devil is there but not demon. I looked because I've read the Bible many times and never seen demon in it. And the reason I was looking is because the word demon brings all sorts of frightening things into your mind! But in reality it's not in the bible (kjv) the word devil also means evil one and unclean spirit or in Greek slanderer or falsely accusing. We all have them! We all have some kind of hardness or wickedness in our hearts that we have to fight. The devil is at times with all of us. Not just the sick! We all have a right and wrong spirit within our hearts and we all have a choice which one we listen to. Illness can be caused be so many things. I find it hard to say sick people have demons. Satan is here tempting everyone. He does bring sickness and wickedness yes, and at times torments us, and makes our lives hard. But that doesn't mean sick people have demonic possession! I think we have to be very careful what we say. Yes Jesus did cast out devils. But when we let him into our hearts now, we'll be surprised how many we need to have cast out of ourselves! It wasn't until I took God's word to myself that I realised how wrong I was. I had and still have many things wrong in my own heart that need to be gone. But I thought I was ok until God showed me! Now I have to fight them daily! I have to die daily as Paul said, and put these wicked thoughts and feelings to bed! Sometimes I really have to bite my tongue because it wags. Or dispel wrong thoughts quickly before they get worse. I would carry on If God hasn't showed me it was wrong! We are also tested and tried, to see if our faith is strong. So maybe we should start looking at what's wrong within ourselves before we say others are possessed by demons! It says in the bible to take the beam out of our own eye before you have the speck out of others!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 2:34:42 GMT -5
This thread certainly gives me a greater understanding why mental illness is still so much of a stigma in society. It also explains why when there are funding cuts mental illness programs are the first to feel those cuts. If there are still people in the world that think that mental illness is the same as being demon possessed it makes sense why so little is done. This is 2015 and we still equate mental illness with being demon possessed. Rather depressing state of affairs. Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... To deceive most people in the world, Satan wants us to believe Satan, and the fallen are NOT real. They are created by our own imagination. It's all in your mind. It is easier for the demons to take over people bodies when they are NOT stable in their thinking, minds, and being sexually abused as children.
Those of us have encountered spiritual warfare with evil entities we know better.... THEY are REAL! as you and me but they can be invisible to the naked eyes. They can show themselves as they wish, they can take on bodily form, Orbs, etc...I find it disgusting, rude, unfeeling and simply without any compassion of to state that a family member of mine has any connection what-so-ever with any demon-possession...!
You know nothing of his struggles! You know nothing about his ADHD, his BIPOLAR, his problems trying to live in a world that is viewed by some people like you who consider him possessed with "demons!" You know absolutely nothing about the fact that he showed symptoms of mental illness from the time he was born!
I find it absolutely appalling and disgusting! I resent very much that just because he has a mental illness that you consider him possessed by demons!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 2:52:24 GMT -5
So true. Sneaky, subtle, beguiling, deceitful. The experience we had with that Ouija board so many years ago was proof of this. When we first started using the board we made 'contact' and started communicating with an entity who called herself 'Darlene' and she told us she was from the 1800's, died of dissentary and seemed to be a good, harmless spirit. We tested her by asking her certain questions and the way she/it answered made us believe she must have lived in a different century indeed...This went on for some time. My dad was very skeptical about this Ouija board. I had one sister who really liked it. I was a bit skeptical too. Was it REALLY a good spirit? hmmm. One day, it went all haywire and started spelling out things that very unlike this benevolent 'Darlene'. So, my other sister confronted the entity and just flat out asked, "Who are you?! Are you Darlene or the devil?!" It answered the devil and started flying around all over the place. I gotta hand to my one dear sister who very decisively just told the evil spirit, "That's enough of you. I'm going to throw you in the stove to burn. We don't want you here." And that was the end of it. But, see how we were fooled? Yes, I certainly can see how you were "fooled!" I think that some one in your family who used the Ouija board knew a lot about that different century!
Forgive my saying so, -but I have a tendency to believe that it was your dad who must have been the more intelligent one in your family!
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Post by maryhig on Apr 16, 2015 3:13:36 GMT -5
I've been looking up in the kjv bible for the word demon and it isn't there, the word devil is there but not demon. I looked because I've read the Bible many times and never seen demon in it. And the reason I was looking is because the word demon brings all sorts of frightening things into your mind! But in reality it's not in the bible (kjv) the word devil also means evil one and unclean spirit or in Greek slanderer or falsely accusing. We all have them! We all have some kind of hardness or wickedness in our hearts that we have to fight. The devil is at times with all of us. Not just the sick! We all have a right and wrong spirit within our hearts and we all have a choice which one we listen to. Illness can be caused be so many things. I find it hard to say sick people have demons. Satan is here tempting everyone. He does bring sickness and wickedness yes, and at times torments us, and makes our lives hard. But that doesn't mean sick people have demonic possession! I think we have to be very careful what we say. Yes Jesus did cast out devils. But when we let him into our hearts now, we'll be surprised how many we need to have cast out of ourselves! It wasn't until I took God's word to myself that I realised how wrong I was. I had and still have many things wrong in my own heart that need to be gone. But I thought I was ok until God showed me! Now I have to fight them daily! I have to die daily as Paul said, and put these wicked thoughts and feelings to bed! Sometimes I really have to bite my tongue because it wags. Or dispel wrong thoughts quickly before they get worse. I would carry on If God hasn't showed me it was wrong! We are also tested and tried, to see if our faith is strong. So maybe we should start looking at what's wrong within ourselves before we say others are possessed by demons! It says in the bible to take the beam out of our own eye before you have the speck out of others! There is ONLY one Devil/Satan but many demons/fallen angels. The Devil/Satan is the chief demon/fallen angels. Demons are angels that went bad. Demons just servants of Satan.
The King James Bible (translated 399 years ago) only uses the word "devil" and "devils". The word "demon" was not coined until the late 1800s. So they are interchangeable. There is only one Devil, Gr: diabolos , "an accuser, slanderer"
There are many demons, Gr: daimonion "a knowing one"
Matthew 25:41 refers to "the Devil and his angels."
Unfortunately, the KJV Bible at times translates the Greek word for demons as "devils". This may cause some confusion, but in the Greek they are different words.
(Note 1 Timothy 4:1, "doctrines of devils" in KJV, but correctly rendered as "doctrines of demons" in NKJV and other translations.)
Some terms used to describe demons: demon, spirit, unclean spirit, evil spirit, unclean demon
1. Demons=spirits: Lk 10:17+20; evil spirit: Acts 19:13
2. Possessed by spirit of unclean demon Lk 4:33 = a man with unclean spirit Mk 1:23
3. Cast out demons by ruler of demons (Satan): Mk 3:22
4. Demons = Satan = unclean spirit Mk 3:22-23,30; Lk 11:24
5. Unclean spirit = unclean spirits=demon-possessed Mk 5:2+13+15
6. Unclean spirit = demon: Mk 7:25+30; Lk 9:42; Mt 12:43-45
7. Not every spirit is from God: 1 Jn 4:1-4
Source(s): www.bible.ca/su-demons.htm There are devils, and unclean spirits and one Satan! And we all have unclean spirits in one way or another. Whether it's wrong thoughts or the wrong will in our hearts, hardness or cruelty etc. But to say sick people have demons is wrong! What about the blind man, Jesus said neither he nor his parents had sinned, or Job, he hadn't sinned either. By saying sick people have demons it looks like you're saying they've sinned so they've been given a demon? And I can't believe you've put mental illness in the same category as sexual perversion! That's just so wrong! You don't will to be sick, people will to be perverts, they have a choice do it, or don't. Sickness isn't a choice! Totally different! We have to be careful how we judge others, we're wrong ourselves a lot of the time. P.s it doesn't say demon in those passages in my Bible. Kjv
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 16, 2015 3:19:30 GMT -5
Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... To deceive most people in the world, Satan wants us to believe Satan, and the fallen are NOT real. They are created by our own imagination. It's all in your mind. It is easier for the demons to take over people bodies when they are NOT stable in their thinking, minds, and being sexually abused as children.
Those of us have encountered spiritual warfare with evil entities we know better.... THEY are REAL! as you and me but they can be invisible to the naked eyes. They can show themselves as they wish, they can take on bodily form, Orbs, etc... I find it disgusting, rude, unfeeling and simply without any compassion of to state that a family member of mine has any connection what-so-ever with any demon-possession...!
You know nothing of his struggles! You know nothing about his ADHD, his BIPOLAR, his problems trying to live in a world that is viewed by some people like you who consider him possessed with "demons!" You know absolutely nothing about the fact that he showed symptoms of mental illness from the time he was born!
I find it absolutely appalling and disgusting! I resent very much that just because he has a mental illness that you consider him possessed by demons!
Agree DMG ! Unless a person has experienced it first hand they have no idea !
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 16, 2015 3:52:34 GMT -5
Yes, the mentally is are often tormented and live with that torment. Many of them even describe hearing or seeing demonic voices, faces and these demonic forces are not nice or good. I know of one family not too far from where I live here in which a son stabbed his father to death. He was indeed mentally ill and had been for quite some time. He said the 'demons' drove to kill his father. I also know of another family in which one of the sons during adolescence started showing signs of being mentally ill and he described to his mother whenever he went off his meds that the demon voices were coming back. So, she made sure he got back on his meds and stayed on them. I know of many people who do very well on medication and not very well OFF medication. Many are more likely to commit crimes or use other mind-altering substances when they are not on their meds. But, just being on meds is not the whole/complete answer. They need to be the RIGHT medication with the RIGHT dose to be properly effective. Just my two cents. Of course some mentally ill people with schizophrenia report hearing or seeing "demonic voices or faces!" How else would they describe their hallucinations ? Do YOU actually believe that they DO see and hear "demons?"
schizophrenia Definition By Mayo Clinic
Schizophrenia is a severe brain disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior.
Contrary to popular belief, schizophrenia isn't a split personality or multiple personality. The word "schizophrenia" does mean "split mind," but it refers to a disruption of the usual balance of emotions and thinking.
Schizophrenia is a chronic condition, requiring lifelong treatment.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 5:40:43 GMT -5
Demons are real they do affect peoples lives. There are ways of getting rid of them according to scripture. Sometimes it involves excorsizing the house or where they are living. Anyone who states that it isnt real is ignorant IMO. For some reason on TMB the argument against demonic bondage seem to only be about mental illness. What is it about "mental illness" that it is the last of the diseases that people want to claim as being from "demonic bondage ?" At different times in history, many diseases were thought to be due to "demonic bondage." Why is it that "mental illness" is still believed to be caused by "demons?"
People right here on TMB keep saying, "take you medicine, -don't stop taking your medicine," all the while acting as if "mental illness" is due to "demons!"
Is it because that it affects our "mind" & therefore we think that we are in control of our minds or should be control of our minds and if not, it is "demon" causing it? Is that the reason that the last of our organs, the brain, is considered to be in "demon bondage?"
Whereas, if it were our liver, our heart, our bladder, our lungs, etc.,- we would not think that it was "demon" related!" Can't we understand that our "brain" is an organ just as is our lungs and that our mind has physical function as does our lungs etc.? Your twisting the lemon D Where did I say that? Today I was remembering a few people with mental illness on meds and none were told to stop taking them . Dont mix my words up with anyone elses. My advice if you really want to know this subject is take yourself along to a local church that ministers in the power of the holy spirit.
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 5:49:27 GMT -5
Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... To deceive most people in the world, Satan wants us to believe Satan, and the fallen are NOT real. They are created by our own imagination. It's all in your mind. It is easier for the demons to take over people bodies when they are NOT stable in their thinking, minds, and being sexually abused as children.
Those of us have encountered spiritual warfare with evil entities we know better.... THEY are REAL! as you and me but they can be invisible to the naked eyes. They can show themselves as they wish, they can take on bodily form, Orbs, etc... I find it disgusting, rude, unfeeling and simply without any compassion of to state that a family member of mine has any connection what-so-ever with any demon-possession...!
You know nothing of his struggles! You know nothing about his ADHD, his BIPOLAR, his problems trying to live in a world that is viewed by some people like you who consider him possessed with "demons!" You know absolutely nothing about the fact that he showed symptoms of mental illness from the time he was born!
I find it absolutely appalling and disgusting! I resent very much that just because he has a mental illness that you consider him possessed by demons!
I dont see anywhere nate mentioned a family member D.?
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Post by maryhig on Apr 16, 2015 5:56:10 GMT -5
There are devils, and unclean spirits and one Satan! And we all have unclean spirits in one way or another. Whether it's wrong thoughts or the wrong will in our hearts, hardness or cruelty etc. But to say sick people have demons is wrong! What about the blind man, Jesus said neither he nor his parents had sinned, or Job, he hadn't sinned either. By saying sick people have demons it looks like you're saying they've sinned so they've been given a demon? And I can't believe you've put mental illness in the same category as sexual perversion! That's just so wrong! You don't will to be sick, people will to be perverts, they have a choice do it, or don't. Sickness isn't a choice! Totally different! We have to be careful how we judge others, we're wrong ourselves a lot of the time. P.s it doesn't say demon in those passages in my Bible. King James Version
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! Some have even translated heaven to sky! Regardless of which version we have, The Spirit in our hearts will tell us what's right and wrong, and my heart tells me it's wrong to say sick people are possessed by demons!
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 6:00:28 GMT -5
This thread certainly gives me a greater understanding why mental illness is still so much of a stigma in society. It also explains why when there are funding cuts mental illness programs are the first to feel those cuts. If there are still people in the world that think that mental illness is the same as being demon possessed it makes sense why so little is done. This is 2015 and we still equate mental illness with being demon possessed. Rather depressing state of affairs. Mental illness, and sexual perversion have SOME connection with demon-possession... To deceive most people in the world, Satan wants us to believe demon possessed does NOT exist today! Satan, and the fallen are NOT real. They are created by our own imagination. It's all in your mind. It is easier for the demons to take over people bodies when they are NOT stable in their thinking, minds, and being sexually abused as children.
Those of us have encountered spiritual warfare with evil entities we know better.... THEY are REAL! as you and me but they can be invisible to the naked eyes. They can show themselves as they wish, they can take on bodily form, Orbs, etc...
Nate Do you have personal experience with this? Or are you relating someone elses experience?
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 6:33:03 GMT -5
Demon is another name for an evil spirit. If you read these chapters you will see the evidence of Christs ministry and him discipling the apostles on it and encouraging them to help those people.
Matt chapts:4:23-25,7:21-23,8:14-17,8:28-34,9:32-34,10:1-8,11:16-19,12:22-32,12:43-45,15:21-28,17:14-21 Mark 1:21-28,9:38-40,16:9, Luke 7:21,13:10-17,22:3, John 17:20,8:48-52,10:20-21, Acts 5:3 &15,8:6-8,18-19,10:38,16:16-24,19:11-12,13-20, Rev 18:12, All these scriptures refer to the topic of evil spirits inhabiting a human body and Jesus setting them free and healing the sick. They are worth reading. I know the topic is distasteful to many people. Non christians and christians.
If anyone came to me with a problem and asked for help. I help in anyway I can. John 11:22 If it means laying hands on them and praying I will do it. If they end up delivered or healed. Great!!
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 6:38:11 GMT -5
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! Some have even translated heaven to sky! Regardless of which version we have, The Spirit in our hearts will tell us what's right and wrong, and my heart tells me it's wrong to say sick people are possessed by demons! It is wrong for anyone to say that so and so has a demon. It is hurtful and can cause horrendous problems.. As a minister if you are shown something wrong you pray, interceed and wait until the appropriate time. Which may or may not come. It is between you and the lord.
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Post by rational on Apr 16, 2015 7:53:28 GMT -5
Do you have a single example of someone who has the 'mark of the beast'? Don't cut and paste, NathanB. What's the Mark of the beast is according to your understanding? A complete and total fabrication.I am sure we have two very different understandings. It probably would begin with my disbelief in any 'beast' or demons. And probably end with me asking you to show any verifiable proof of any such entity. And from there it would normally go to a lot of cutting and pasting. You are the one claiming there is such a beast/mark/demon. Provide proof for you assertions.
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Post by snow on Apr 16, 2015 10:27:56 GMT -5
I find it disgusting, rude, unfeeling and simply without any compassion of to state that a family member of mine has any connection what-so-ever with any demon-possession...!
You know nothing of his struggles! You know nothing about his ADHD, his BIPOLAR, his problems trying to live in a world that is viewed by some people like you who consider him possessed with "demons!" You know absolutely nothing about the fact that he showed symptoms of mental illness from the time he was born!
I find it absolutely appalling and disgusting! I resent very much that just because he has a mental illness that you consider him possessed by demons!
I dont see anywhere nate mentioned a family member D.? bubbles, dmg is the one with the family member that she is referring to and is upset that Nathan is saying her family member is possessed by demons because of their mental illness. I guess those who are saying people are possessed by demons if they have a mental illness just don't have a clue how insensitive, not to speak of wrong, they are. It is completely appalling to me that people are linking the two. It proves to me there is so little understanding about mental illness yet people feel it's okay to negate it by saying it's demon possession.
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Post by maryhig on Apr 16, 2015 10:36:49 GMT -5
Demon is another name for an evil spirit. If you read these chapters you will see the evidence of Christs ministry and him discipling the apostles on it and encouraging them to help those people. Matt chapts:4:23-25,7:21-23,8:14-17,8:28-34,9:32-34,10:1-8,11:16-19,12:22-32,12:43-45,15:21-28,17:14-21 Mark 1:21-28,9:38-40,16:9, Luke 7:21,13:10-17,22:3, John 17:20,8:48-52,10:20-21, Acts 5:3 &15,8:6-8,18-19,10:38,16:16-24,19:11-12,13-20, Rev 18:12, All these scriptures refer to the topic of evil spirits inhabiting a human body and Jesus setting them free and healing the sick. They are worth reading. I know the topic is distasteful to many people. Non christians and christians. If anyone came to me with a problem and asked for help. I help in anyway I can. John 11:22 If it means laying hands on them and praying I will do it. If they end up delivered or healed. Great!! I agree, we can't judge anyone! I believe that wickedness enters our hearts when we are tempted by Satan and let him in. We have a choice! But I believe he is a wicked stumblingblock trying to trip is up. He brings illness to the world but I don't believe someone sick is demon possessed! I've had members of my family with dementia and sickness a they've got older, some have had the kindest hearts you could have. I've just prayed to God to give us guidance and strength when going though trouble in my life. But I believe suffering one way or another, is something we all go through in our lives at one point. And it's better to suffer for the right way than the wrong way, And to keep our faith through our trials and tribulations! Whether it's suffering in sickness or taking care of sick people. My heart goes out to anyone suffering in this way. I could never say they're Demon possessed. You never know, it could be us being judged by the way we look at people who are sick!
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Post by rational on Apr 16, 2015 11:54:40 GMT -5
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! I have a feeling that this is not the case.How do you know what the correct translation should be?
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Post by maryhig on Apr 16, 2015 12:46:30 GMT -5
I don't need to read or study any newer translations at all, they are all taken from the king James! I have a feeling that this is not the case.How do you know what the correct translation should be? I have heard that about the Bible's, translation from others maybe I'm wrong I will check! Sky wouldn't be used in the place of heaven, if you know God then you will know what's right on your heart, and when you read the Bible you can discern what's right! NLT Praise him, skies above! Praise him, vapors high above the clouds KJV Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens Considering water is the word of God, and heaven means heaven not sky. The new living translation doesn't sound quite right!
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Post by bubbles on Apr 16, 2015 12:59:44 GMT -5
Demon is another name for an evil spirit. If you read these chapters you will see the evidence of Christs ministry and him discipling the apostles on it and encouraging them to help those people. Matt chapts:4:23-25,7:21-23,8:14-17,8:28-34,9:32-34,10:1-8,11:16-19,12:22-32,12:43-45,15:21-28,17:14-21 Mark 1:21-28,9:38-40,16:9, Luke 7:21,13:10-17,22:3, John 17:20,8:48-52,10:20-21, Acts 5:3 &15,8:6-8,18-19,10:38,16:16-24,19:11-12,13-20, Rev 18:12, All these scriptures refer to the topic of evil spirits inhabiting a human body and Jesus setting them free and healing the sick. They are worth reading. I know the topic is distasteful to many people. Non christians and christians. If anyone came to me with a problem and asked for help. I help in anyway I can. John 11:22 If it means laying hands on them and praying I will do it. If they end up delivered or healed. Great!! I agree, we can't judge anyone! I believe that wickedness enters our hearts when we are tempted by Satan and let him in. We have a choice! But I believe he is a wicked stumblingblock trying to trip is up. He brings illness to the world but I don't believe someone sick is demon possessed! I've had members of my family with dementia and sickness a they've got older, some have had the kindest hearts you could have. I've just prayed to God to give us guidance and strength when going though trouble in my life. But I believe suffering one way or another, is something we all go through in our lives at one point. And it's better to suffer for the right way than the wrong way, And to keep our faith through our trials and tribulations! Whether it's suffering in sickness or taking care of sick people. My heart goes out to anyone suffering in this way. I could never say they're Demon possessed. You never know, it could be us being judged by the way we look at people who are sick! We all have a different life experience as christians. I could relate a number of different things that happen through laying on of hands and praying the prayer of faith. Often in fact probably always we are not aware anything has 'entered' our being. It is the conviction of the holy spirit that works in a persons life that triggers a response in the individual. Resulting in freedom. The bible states 'he wanders around like a roaring lion waiting for whom he can devour.' Non believers dont know he is they are not a threat to him. When we come to christ and the holy spirit enters our spirit we are now part of the kingdom of god and that means we now have an enemy. The evil one. Things we did before this can be resident. What can happen is those things have to go. The holy spirit does the work. In his time. Re: sickness. They need healing. Right now I would love for my gorgeous mama who is dying to be healed. I too have had family with dementia, and other mental illness. I havent thought once that it might be an evil spirit. I know that it is about the brain.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 16, 2015 13:42:15 GMT -5
Yes, the mentally is are often tormented and live with that torment. Many of them even describe hearing or seeing demonic voices, faces and these demonic forces are not nice or good. I know of one family not too far from where I live here in which a son stabbed his father to death. He was indeed mentally ill and had been for quite some time. He said the 'demons' drove to kill his father. I also know of another family in which one of the sons during adolescence started showing signs of being mentally ill and he described to his mother whenever he went off his meds that the demon voices were coming back. So, she made sure he got back on his meds and stayed on them. I know of many people who do very well on medication and not very well OFF medication. Many are more likely to commit crimes or use other mind-altering substances when they are not on their meds. But, just being on meds is not the whole/complete answer. They need to be the RIGHT medication with the RIGHT dose to be properly effective. Just my two cents. May I ask, are you trained in the medical fields? A psychiatrist? I wish more people like you are out there, helping the mentally ill patients, and some who are demon possessed. You have a good knowledge of both worlds, invisible and visible.Thanks Nate. I will PM you with regards to my training/background. As to knowledge of both worlds-I, like you, have never said or asserted that ALL mental illness is due to being possessed by demons. I just don't think that aspect can be totally ruled out. If the experts had more definitive reasons as to EXACT causes of mental illness, that would be a breath of fresh air. But, they don't. If someone has a suspected UTI, there are labs tests that can be done to rule it out and also, if there is a UTI, to pinpoint exactly what antibiotic is best to treat it with. So far, there are no lab tests that PINPOINT those things for mental illness. Sure, we all know that schizophrenia is an abnormality in the BRAIN, but SPECIFICALLY, what abnormality in the brain and why isn't there a blood test that can be done to show exactly what neurochemistry is 'haywire', for lack of a better word at this time. If the experts knew the EXACT cause, I think it would lend itself to finding better treatment and maybe even cures to the mental illness that seems to plague people throughout their lives. What seems to be the more frequent scenario when it comes to mental illness is that it is a burden and torment the patient is sort of stuck with because no one can seem to cure them. Meds are a big help, sure, but they come with side effects that can be unpleasant and difficult to live with everyday; [part of the reason some people don't take their meds or try to go without them. ] Psychosis can be caused from various things, not just demonic possession, I think you and I both know that. Some people become psychotic due to lack of sleep and exhaustion, for example. If you have ever had to work the graveyard shift or stay up night after night with a baby you can get a taste of that. I knew a nurse who worked the night shift and she said on her way home from work one morning she saw a giant Tweety Bird standing in the road! Quite a comical thing, really, the way she described it. She attributed the apparition to lack of sleep/exhaustion (both physical and mental). The way it stands in 2015, if a person has schizophrenia they are committed to a life of being on medication for treatment. I find that one-fold approach sadly lacking.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 16, 2015 13:49:23 GMT -5
Yes, the mentally is are often tormented and live with that torment. Many of them even describe hearing or seeing demonic voices, faces and these demonic forces are not nice or good. I know of one family not too far from where I live here in which a son stabbed his father to death. He was indeed mentally ill and had been for quite some time. He said the 'demons' drove to kill his father. I also know of another family in which one of the sons during adolescence started showing signs of being mentally ill and he described to his mother whenever he went off his meds that the demon voices were coming back. So, she made sure he got back on his meds and stayed on them. I know of many people who do very well on medication and not very well OFF medication. Many are more likely to commit crimes or use other mind-altering substances when they are not on their meds. But, just being on meds is not the whole/complete answer. They need to be the RIGHT medication with the RIGHT dose to be properly effective. Just my two cents. Of course some mentally ill people with schizophrenia report hearing or seeing "demonic voices or faces!" How else would they describe their hallucinations ? Do YOU actually believe that they DO see and hear "demons?"
schizophrenia Definition By Mayo Clinic
Schizophrenia is a severe brain disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior.
Contrary to popular belief, schizophrenia isn't a split personality or multiple personality. The word "schizophrenia" does mean "split mind," but it refers to a disruption of the usual balance of emotions and thinking.
Schizophrenia is a chronic condition, requiring lifelong treatment.
Hmmm. "A disruption of the usual balance of emotions and thinking. " We all have days like that!
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Apr 16, 2015 13:53:25 GMT -5
So true. Sneaky, subtle, beguiling, deceitful. The experience we had with that Ouija board so many years ago was proof of this. When we first started using the board we made 'contact' and started communicating with an entity who called herself 'Darlene' and she told us she was from the 1800's, died of dissentary and seemed to be a good, harmless spirit. We tested her by asking her certain questions and the way she/it answered made us believe she must have lived in a different century indeed...This went on for some time. My dad was very skeptical about this Ouija board. I had one sister who really liked it. I was a bit skeptical too. Was it REALLY a good spirit? hmmm. One day, it went all haywire and started spelling out things that very unlike this benevolent 'Darlene'. So, my other sister confronted the entity and just flat out asked, "Who are you?! Are you Darlene or the devil?!" It answered the devil and started flying around all over the place. I gotta hand to my one dear sister who very decisively just told the evil spirit, "That's enough of you. I'm going to throw you in the stove to burn. We don't want you here." And that was the end of it. But, see how we were fooled?
Forgive my saying so, -but I have a tendency to believe that it was your dad who must have been the more intelligent one in your family! Right you are, about my dad in that situation. But, I loved the way my sister confronted the evil spirit and chucked that stupid board in the fire! It was great, her decisive, no-nonsense action. The bit about it flying all over the place was no figment of anyone's imagination. It really happened and was not pleasant.
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Post by bitterbetty on Apr 16, 2015 14:12:08 GMT -5
I think maybe this board is demon-possessed. Quick, where are the pigs?!
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Post by rational on Apr 16, 2015 15:29:20 GMT -5
I have a feeling that this is not the case.How do you know what the correct translation should be? I have heard that about the Bible's, translation from others maybe I'm wrong I will check! Sky wouldn't be used in the place of heaven, if you know God then you will know what's right on your heart, and when you read the Bible you can discern what's right! Given the hundreds of different meanings that have been given to biblical verses it would seem that most people most people don't know god. How do people determine if they are the 'right' ones? Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye word of god that be above the heavensDoesn't sound right either.
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