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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2015 15:06:56 GMT -5
Any still in existence, from Wm Irvine's later years of preaching and scribing around the world?
Some on TMB must know or have known where they lived.
Were they ever organized or just individuals scattered around who have now all gone?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
Sir, about ten years ago, I met a woman in Longview who was raised "message" and she had reams of documents from Irvine as preserved by her mother. When she passed away they fell to her, I tried to get her in contact with Cherie, obviously failed then had a near terminal medical mishap, took some while to recover from that one, and lost all contact with her and did not post for sometime myself. Now I no longer remember name or address, however if anyone wanted to go to the effort, time, and expense they could advertise in the Longview Daily news for anyone who knew or knew of him and his myriad of messages. I'd bet they would get her to answer if she is still alive.
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2015 16:44:17 GMT -5
Any still in existence, from Wm Irvine's later years of preaching and scribing around the world? Some on TMB must know or have known where they lived. Were they ever organized or just individuals scattered around who have now all gone?
That is one that I never heard of! |
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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2015 17:12:21 GMT -5
Thanks Dennis, very much. Let's see if this jogs anything. Roughly how old would this woman be?
Blessings,
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 28, 2015 19:43:41 GMT -5
Yes, there are still Message People. I first learned of their existence in 1992. The first time I saw any of Irvine's Omega letters, was when a ex2x2 lady called me from California and said she had been visiting a friend (Marie) who told her about WmIrvine and some books of his letters owned by her family. She loaned the books to Marie, who copied them for me. The very first Message Person to contact me was called Briza (Barbara James) who lived in California. She now has alzheimers. She helped me understand what they believed, and provided me with numerous letters. She also "witnessed" to me, but it didnt take.  She and her Message friends were shocked to learn the 2x2s were alive and well. They thought they had died out. Briza participated on TMB or PMB for awhile. I talked to one, an 81 yr old man living in Nevada, last night who declined to visit TMB. He is typing his letter collection and sending me the letters, which I post on TMB. Another Message Person, a lady in Arizona, is scanning her letters to a flash drive, and so far has sent me her letters through 1937. Another Message lady from Australia has agreed to copy hers and send to me. I've received some from her already. Over the years, I have received several collections. I have received emails from Message People, and have talked to some on the phone. I've never met any in person. Differences in 2x2s and Message People are in Chapter 23 Appendix G of my book: www.tellingthetruth.info/founder_book/appendixG.php |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 22:17:50 GMT -5
If my memory serves me correctly, the woman to whom I have referred is about age 60 today, sir.
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Post by Greg on Mar 29, 2015 14:42:56 GMT -5
Any still in existence, from Wm Irvine's later years of preaching and scribing around the world? Some on TMB must know or have known where they lived. Were they ever organized or just individuals scattered around who have now all gone?
That is one that I never heard of! Of the identifiers friends and workers, cooneyites, and message people, "message people" seems to me to be the most interesting for a title of a book or film. Not necessarily their story, just as a title. |
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Post by withlove on Apr 4, 2015 13:07:28 GMT -5
Wonder who told them the 2x2's died out. Of the same ilk of who forgot to tell the 2x2's a lot of things.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 4, 2015 16:33:40 GMT -5
Wonder who told them the 2x2's died out. Of the same ilk of who forgot to tell the 2x2's a lot of things.
You can't have another viable only one true church existing at the same time can you? 
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Post by Greg on Apr 4, 2015 17:11:20 GMT -5
Wonder who told them the 2x2's died out. Of the same ilk of who forgot to tell the 2x2's a lot of things. Could be nobody told them. |
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 5, 2015 9:43:47 GMT -5
Message people don't assemble as "a church." Irvine didnt like "bunching up."
They dont have regular meetings nor funerals for that matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 7:30:42 GMT -5
How do they know they are part of a group if they don't meet?
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Post by terfly4fun on Jun 22, 2015 17:02:23 GMT -5
I'm with Admin on the "message" people ... never heard of them ... are they similar to the WALDENSES? Were the WALDENSES related to the 2X2's in any way? Some old Catholic friend of mine told me once that many other religions used to meet in their homesbyears and years ago ... even the Catholics.
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Post by Kathy Smith on Mar 30, 2016 20:49:07 GMT -5
Cherie I think you may have linked to the wrong chapter. Fascinating read anyways.
Chapter 23
1906 - 1913
Workers and Convention ground owners file 8 Court Actions for libel against W. D. Wilson who alleged they were involved in White Slave Trafficking of sister workers.
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Post by CherieKropp on Apr 1, 2016 10:13:22 GMT -5
Thanks for letting me know. I renumbered the chapters. There is a total of 42 chapters now. I'm working on the last one, the Conclusion. It's now located in Appendix G |
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Apr 10, 2016 6:52:27 GMT -5
How do these Message People worship? Do they join the churches of their choice? Or they just stay at homes, waiting for William Irvine sent them notes/teachings from his writings in the mail to them? I know it's a whole year later, , but just came across this query of yours. They just send copies of Irvine's writings to each other. Likeminded people who believe Irvine was one of the last prophets of the Revelation, and share his teachings with each other. That's about it, as far as we've been able to ascertain. I came in contact with some of them in the early 90s as well. After the 2x2s and Cooneyites, there was ... The Message People! Irvine was a prolific writer and charismatic fellow, apparently. |
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Apr 10, 2016 9:15:59 GMT -5
I know it's a whole year later, , but just came across this query of yours. They just send copies of Irvine's writings to each other. Likeminded people who believe Irvine was one of the last prophets of the Revelation, and share his teachings with each other. That's about it, as far as we've been able to ascertain. I came in contact with some of them in the early 90s as well. After the 2x2s and Cooneyites, there was ... The Message People! Irvine was a prolific writer and charismatic fellow, apparently. I agree, they were wild, and did not come true. He accordingly fits the profile of a false prophet, by biblical standards. No, I don't know that any of the Message People were ex-members. They were just as surprised to learn of our existence. The ones I heard from had no idea about the 2x2s or Cooneyites. They thought William Irvine was their prophet alone. |
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Post by aj on Dec 21, 2016 11:10:34 GMT -5
There are still folks who believe in the message and view Irvine as a prophet. My mother was brought up to believe in it. Her parents have passed now and she doesn't know how her parents were introduced to it, but they were already married with young children when it happened, which would have been in the late 1940s or early 1950s in central California. Her sister and one brother are believers who have raised their children in it. They have copies of the letters Irvine sent and used to meet at members' homes to discuss the message. They don't celebrate holidays or birthdays and my mom remembers being told as a kid that she wasn't allowed to be friends with anybody who didn't believe in the message. I don't know much about it as my mom didn't raise me in it, but her siblings and some other folks who followed Irvine moved to a small mountain community in northern California.
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Post by CherieKropp on Dec 21, 2016 11:45:26 GMT -5
Seems most of the current day followers live on the West Coast.
I also know one in AZ, one in NV and heard there were some in OR, but they may have passed on by now.
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Post by Admin on Dec 21, 2016 17:04:16 GMT -5
There are still folks who believe in the message and view Irvine as a prophet. My mother was brought up to believe in it. Her parents have passed now and she doesn't know how her parents were introduced to it, but they were already married with young children when it happened, which would have been in the late 1940s or early 1950s in central California. Her sister and one brother are believers who have raised their children in it. They have copies of the letters Irvine sent and used to meet at members' homes to discuss the message. They don't celebrate holidays or birthdays and my mom remembers being told as a kid that she wasn't allowed to be friends with anybody who didn't believe in the message. I don't know much about it as my mom didn't raise me in it, but her siblings and some other folks who followed Irvine moved to a small mountain community in northern California. Welcome aj! How did you find us on TMB? Fascinating, were you ever told about Irvine's "2x2" church of Friends and Workers? I have two favors to ask, if you could somehow obtain copies of those letters of Irvine so that we could have electronic copies for the historical record? And if you could suggest to any family members who would be interested, to join up on TMB. They are most welcome. admin |
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 22, 2016 3:40:50 GMT -5
There are still folks who believe in the message and view Irvine as a prophet. My mother was brought up to believe in it. Her parents have passed now and she doesn't know how her parents were introduced to it, but they were already married with young children when it happened, which would have been in the late 1940s or early 1950s in central California. Her sister and one brother are believers who have raised their children in it. They have copies of the letters Irvine sent and used to meet at members' homes to discuss the message. They don't celebrate holidays or birthdays and my mom remembers being told as a kid that she wasn't allowed to be friends with anybody who didn't believe in the message. I don't know much about it as my mom didn't raise me in it, but her siblings and some other folks who followed Irvine moved to a small mountain community in northern California. Welcome aj! How did you find us on TMB? Fascinating, were you ever told about Irvine's "2x2" church of Friends and Workers? I have two favors to ask, if you could somehow obtain copies of those letters of Irvine so that we could have electronic copies for the historical record? And if you could suggest to any family members who would be interested, to join up on TMB. They are most welcome. admin
Please tell them to come on this board and give us any history that they may have and we can share our own history. |
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Post by Grant on Dec 22, 2016 4:33:53 GMT -5
A couple of Irvine's followers were on a 2x2 list a number of years ago. They posted some of his letters. I guess Cherie has some.
It would be great to know more about them.
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She and her Message friends were shocked to learn the 2x2s were alive and well. They thought they had died out. Briza participated on TMB or PMB for awhile.
