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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 12:10:21 GMT -5
I prefer checked human authority-something the US founding fathers established in their colonial government and early republic in the 1790s.You have one branch of government limiting the powers of the other branches. China and Russia didn't limit the authority of their central government and endless bloodshed and ensued over the centuries.
To many saints in the Kingdom, overseers get their authority from heaven and aren't to be questioned or challenged. I don't think the CSA problem can be resolved until there is some kind of council established to air grievances. I remember some good overseers like Sherman Farrar, Earle Newmiller and others. But a strong personality type can pretty much have all the authority he wants.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Mar 22, 2015 18:39:20 GMT -5
It is said that ALL power corrupts and absoulute power corrupts absoulutely and so it is. God does not in my view give the power to Workers which they often assume they have - no = God gives the sheperding instincts of guidence and love. Any power claimed is a vain and dangerous assumption not guided by the spirit so beware of those who throw their weight about for it is highly unlikely that they are guided by the spirit. Oh this is just a personal view.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 22, 2015 19:16:49 GMT -5
People mistake authority for power.
All power is ASSUMED ... that is, it is exercised at the ability and the will of the person exercising the power.
It is AUTHORITY that is given to a person, who then may abuse his ability/power for unauthorized ends.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 23, 2015 7:26:36 GMT -5
The authority given to an anointed leader is spiritual. In other words when they pray their prayers can bring change. Spiritual authority is given by the lord. It is not a reason to control or abuse people in any way shape or form. In prayer fasting and supplication they seek the lord on behalf of the people to pastor, teach scripture, nurture and disciple. Love is the primary motivator. Love for god and love for their neighbor.
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Post by bubbles on Mar 23, 2015 7:29:14 GMT -5
The authority given to an anointed leader is spiritual. In other words when they pray their prayers can bring change. Spiritual authority is given by the lord. It is not a reason to control or abuse people in any way shape or form. In prayer fasting and supplication they seek the lord on behalf of the people to pastor, teach scripture, nurture and disciple. Love is the primary motivator. Love for god and love for their neighbor. Sometimes there is a love for power. That is of the flesh. This is when problems occur. Bad fruit is produced over time not evident to begin with in the persons life.
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Post by blacksheep on Mar 24, 2015 6:38:40 GMT -5
Heard one old worker (don't recall which one) say "You didn't hire me, you can't fire me."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 6:59:36 GMT -5
Heard one old worker (don't recall which one) say " You didn't hire me, you can't fire me." Is that statement a demonstration of power, authority or a truthful fact?
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Post by blacksheep on Mar 24, 2015 7:15:47 GMT -5
Heard one old worker (don't recall which one) say " You didn't hire me, you can't fire me." Is that statement a demonstration of power, authority or a truthful fact? It seems to me (in retrospect), that he was under the delusion that God gave him the job, and he wanted us to join him in his delusion!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 7:32:00 GMT -5
Is that statement a demonstration of power, authority or a truthful fact? It seems to me (in retrospect), that he was under the delusion that God gave him the job, and he wanted us to join him in his delusion! Ummmmm! I wonder, are all clerics, priests, ministers, pastors, shepherds etc, under that same delusion? God gave them their jobs so they can only be fired by God. It is fact that overseers have the authority to put people out of the work and the fellowship. So maybe the statement was a statement of fact;in the sense that the person in question did not do the hiring so was in no position to do the firing .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 12:24:00 GMT -5
Saints as a whole give the Servants a whole lot of power. Some can handle it quite well and others abuse their authority. It depends upon the person in authority and his or her personality. Some workers have personal attributes that enable them to speak well and build up a power base.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 5:32:18 GMT -5
Saints as a whole give the Servants a whole lot of power. Some can handle it quite well and others abuse their authority. It depends upon the person in authority and his or her personality. Some workers have personal attributes that enable them to speak well and build up a power base. Yes, and with that power base, power goes to the head simply because man is not perfect - there is no 100% perfect human being. If we are not perfect then it follows that we are liable to do imperfect/ unacceptable things from time to time; this is not an excuse, but a probable explanation of the aspects of human behaviour.
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