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Post by déjà vu on Oct 27, 2014 22:49:49 GMT -5
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE WORKERS PREACH ON TITHING ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 22:52:23 GMT -5
yes, one time...can't remember any significant details though...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 23:54:13 GMT -5
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE WORKERS PREACH ON TITHING ? no
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 1:13:08 GMT -5
Can't recall, other than explaining it was an Old Testament ordinance concerning the Levitical priesthood, the tabernacle or the Temple. None of those things interested the New Testament church as there was no more priesthood, tabernacle or temple.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 4:37:16 GMT -5
Not directly, but I have often heard them speak about freely received, freely given.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 28, 2014 6:02:06 GMT -5
Nope. WHY?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 6:18:05 GMT -5
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE WORKERS PREACH ON TITHING ? Out of interest, why did you ask?
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Post by déjà vu on Oct 28, 2014 10:03:45 GMT -5
It appears to be a taboo subject.
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Post by xna on Oct 28, 2014 10:39:04 GMT -5
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THE WORKERS PREACH ON TITHING ? Yes they did. Said it was gifts of food not money for the Levites in the OT.
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Post by logain on Oct 28, 2014 10:59:05 GMT -5
Have only heard workers mention tithing as being part of the old testament that false religion uses to get money out of its flock.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 28, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -5
Have only heard workers mention tithing as being part of the old testament that false religion uses to get money out of its flock. What is false religion?
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Post by logain on Oct 28, 2014 11:08:00 GMT -5
Have only heard workers mention tithing as being part of the old testament that false religion uses to get money out of its flock. What is false religion? I think an accurate statement that everyone would agree on is, "False religion is any religion or form of worship that is not exactly the same as mine". Am sure Catholics, Muslims, Hutterites, etc would all agree with the statement. Most devout professing folks as well.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 28, 2014 11:13:13 GMT -5
Col 2:8, 20-23
1 Ti 1:4
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Post by snow on Oct 28, 2014 16:23:59 GMT -5
Have only heard workers mention tithing as being part of the old testament that false religion uses to get money out of its flock. What is false religion? Well, any religion that's 'false', of course...
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Post by bubbles on Oct 29, 2014 0:31:47 GMT -5
True religion
James 1: 27
Pure religion to god and the father is to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction and be undefiled from the world.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 1:35:40 GMT -5
It appears to be a taboo subject. Certainly not a taboo subject in your typical church/business.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 1:54:30 GMT -5
Ha ha !!!!! good one !!!!! I am not sure if there is any reference to giving money in the Sermon on the Mount. Or for that matter, what Jesus, John the baptist or the Apostles actually earned for doing their job/duty.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 2:10:45 GMT -5
Yes but I work for a living, I am not a Minister of God.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 29, 2014 2:42:51 GMT -5
Yes but I work for a living, I am not a Minister of God. What does that have to do with a discussion about tithing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 4:36:00 GMT -5
Yes but I work for a living, I am not a Minister of God. What does that have to do with a discussion about tithing? A lot. People conflate "working for a living" with "ministry." Christian Ministers shouldn't work for a living - the Gospel isn't something to be paid for. And that's a Commandment.
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Post by bubbles on Oct 29, 2014 4:43:25 GMT -5
Ha ha !!!!! good one !!!!! I am not sure if there is any reference to giving money in the Sermon on the Mount. Or for that matter, what Jesus, John the baptist or the Apostles actually earned for doing their job/duty. If you study the book of Acts. They shared everything that came in gave out freely to those that had need. Unlike the majority of churches today
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 4:49:38 GMT -5
I believe that all that we have belongs to God and where possible should be used in our service to him. I have no problem with those who tithe nowadays as long as it is something that they want to do or feel moved to do, instead of them feeling obliged to do through persuasion or religious teaching. People who tithe should investigate exactly what their tithes are used for, to see if they correspond with OT practices. I think many would exit stage left if they examined this.
Christian ministers do work for a living. They labour for the gospel and are entitled to live of the gospel. Food, raiment, hospitality AND money were given for sustaining ministers in the early church. Today, money is a far more common medium of exchange and is used to buy the necessities of life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 5:12:18 GMT -5
Yes but I work for a living, I am not a Minister of God. Ok, let me try to analyse this. I work for a living: 1/ so you are employed by an employer who pays you for your work. Or 2/ you are self employed and your clients pay you for your work. I am not a Minister of God: 3/ Ministers of God are employed by God 4 / God pays them by providing for them through the generosity of the flock's hearts and because all that the flock owns belongs to God in the first place, so they must share it. Well looks to me like there is not much wrong with tithing, is there? If indeed the proceeds of tithing are used to pay God's ministers. They must eat and drink and provide for their families and pay their bills don't they? Also it is used to pay for maintenance and upkeep of places of worship, and other necessary requirements. Or have I got it all wrong, as usual.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 5:15:38 GMT -5
Quote - Well looks to me like there is not much wrong with tithing, is there? Yes there is. It's an Old Testament law.
Quote - If indeed the proceeds of tithing are used to pay God's ministers. They must eat and drink and provide for their families.... What "families" ??
Quote - and pay their bills don't they? What bills?
Quote - Also it is used to pay for maintenance and upkeep of places of worship, and other necessary requirements. What "places of worship" are you referring to?
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Post by Ross.Bowden on Oct 29, 2014 5:39:07 GMT -5
I have found the following useful:
The Bible gives three reasons why we should be generous in our giving: • It is a grateful response to the generosity of God, shown most clearly in the death of his Son (2 Corinthians 8-9) • It recognises that our wealth and possessions belong to God, and are given to us as a gift (1 Chronicles 29:10-16) • We are partners in God’s Gospel (Philippians 1:3-7).
We should give to the following: • Christians have a responsibility to provide for both themselves and their families (1 Thessalonians 4:11-12; 1 Timothy 5:3-8) • God also commands that Christians support those who work among them in preaching & teaching the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:7-14; 1 Timothy 5:17-18) • We are to provide for poor Christians (Romans 15:25-29; 2 Corinthians 8-9) • We are to do good for those in need generally (Galatians 6:10)
God’s command to the Israelites to provide a tithe (a tenth) is a useful guide, but since the coming of Jesus there has been no hard & fast rule about how much to give. Instead, the New Testament suggests a number of principles for giving: • generosity, according to what we have (Luke 21:1-4; 2 Corinthians 8:1-4) • cheerfulness (2 Corinthians 9:7) • regularity (1 Corinthians 16:1-2) • sacrifice (1 Corinthians 16:1-2)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 6:01:34 GMT -5
Quote - Well looks to me like there is not much wrong with tithing, is there? Yes there is. It's an Old Testament law.Quote - If indeed the proceeds of tithing are used to pay God's ministers. They must eat and drink and provide for their families.... What "families" ??Quote - and pay their bills don't they? What bills?Quote - Also it is used to pay for maintenance and upkeep of places of worship, and other necessary requirements. What "places of worship" are you referring to?Seriously, don't you know the answer to those questions? Here is one question for you, the Ten Commandments are a summary of Old Testament laws, are any of them applicable today's?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 6:28:18 GMT -5
We must face reality. When I was a kid growing up, there were a number of things that were taboo in the fellowship, women had to wear hats to meetings, they also had to wear dresses with sleeves down to the wrists, no radios allowed in the home, we did not have Tv's in those days so there was no need to ban them, but look how things have changed to adjust to modern society. Look how modern technology has forced changes upon us; it turns out that the computer and the Internet are far more morally Harm ful than radio or TV, but they are used widespread with no rules enforced to ban them. Does that make sense? In my opinion some of the impositions are not necessary and hinders rather than enhances the work of the fellowship and put off younger folks, hence a decline in the following.
ps. The fact that there is evidence of immoral Behavioural in high places within the fellowship clearly demonstrates that it is no more morally purer than other worldly churches/ fellowships that we often condemn profusely. This is the reality of life, but we can bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it is not happening and treat protestors like idiots and carry on as usual. Remember that God is watching and God loves the truth and hate a liar. There is and old saying in my part of the world, you can hide and buy a piece of land, but you cannot hide and work it, somebody will see you sooner or later. That's all I have to say with a saddened heart at this time. It is so encouraging to know that God will judge us and not man when time of judgment comes. I think that it is time for me to take another break from the forum for a little while. Adios hasta lavist a
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Post by bubbles on Oct 29, 2014 7:35:24 GMT -5
We must face reality. When I was a kid growing up, there were a number of things that were taboo in the fellowship, women had to wear hats to meetings, they also had to wear dresses with sleeves down to the wrists, no radios allowed in the home, we did not have Tv's in those days so there was no need to ban them, but look how things have changed to adjust to modern society. Look how modern technology has forced changes upon us; it turns out that the computer and the Internet are far more morally Harm ful than radio or TV, but they are used widespread with no rules enforced to ban them. Does that make sense? In my opinion some of the impositions are not necessary and hinders rather than enhances the work of the fellowship and put off younger folks, hence a decline in the following. ps. The fact that there is evidence of immoral Behavioural in high places within the fellowship clearly demonstrates that it is no more morally purer than other worldly churches/ fellowships that we often condemn profusely. This is the reality of life, but we can bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it is not happening and treat protestors like idiots and carry on as usual. Remember that God is watching and God loves the truth and hate a liar. There is and old saying in my part of the world, you can hide and buy a piece of land, but you cannot hide and work it, somebody will see you sooner or later. That's all I have to say with a saddened heart at this time. It is so encouraging to know that God will judge us and not man when time of judgment comes. I think that it is time for me to take another break from the forum for a little while. Adios hasta lavist a I will miss you. Take care
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