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Post by déjà vu on Oct 27, 2014 13:48:57 GMT -5
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Post by emy on Oct 27, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5
To all who post websites: Please give us a little clue what the article/video is about so we can decide if we want to spend time with it. Thanks to those of you who do that!
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Post by fixit on Oct 27, 2014 15:14:05 GMT -5
The Islamic community must distance itself from those who want to destroy our Western way of life if they are to avoid being tarred with the same brush. Its looking like there will be a backlash against the Islamic faith in the West - unless Muslims choose between integration with their Western hosts or go and find a more suitable Muslim-majority country to live in. Westerners don't want 7th century Sharia law competing with our much fairer modern law.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 27, 2014 15:25:44 GMT -5
The Islamic community must distance itself from those who want to destroy our Western way of life if they are to avoid being tarred with the same brush. Its looking like there will be a backlash against the Islamic faith in the West - unless Muslims choose between integration with their Western hosts or go and find a more suitable Muslim-majority country to live in. Westerners don't want 7th century Sharia law competing with our much fairer modern law. The Islamic community has distanced itself from those out to destroy the west. The Western media and fearmongers aren't interested in sharing it. It is looking like there will be backlash -- I thought bombing mosques and shooting Sikhs was backlash. Do you know how many people got off death row in the past decade because of our biased justice system? But we have to recognize that it is very profitable for the munitions industry.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 27, 2014 15:26:36 GMT -5
To all who post websites: Please give us a little clue what the article/video is about so we can decide if we want to spend time with it. Thanks to those of you who do that! The title of the thread was MOslIm persecution.
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2014 17:27:01 GMT -5
The Islamic community must distance itself from those who want to destroy our Western way of life if they are to avoid being tarred with the same brush. Its looking like there will be a backlash against the Islamic faith in the West - unless Muslims choose between integration with their Western hosts or go and find a more suitable Muslim-majority country to live in. Westerners don't want 7th century Sharia law competing with our much fairer modern law. Christianity ran up against the same thing when it was decided that non-christians needed to be converted, or enslaved, or killed.
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Post by fixit on Oct 27, 2014 17:57:46 GMT -5
The Islamic community must distance itself from those who want to destroy our Western way of life if they are to avoid being tarred with the same brush. Its looking like there will be a backlash against the Islamic faith in the West - unless Muslims choose between integration with their Western hosts or go and find a more suitable Muslim-majority country to live in. Westerners don't want 7th century Sharia law competing with our much fairer modern law. Christianity ran up against the same thing when it was decided that non-christians needed to be converted, or enslaved, or killed. The difference is that the West has made a lot of progress in that respect over the last few hundred years while the Islamic world has regressed. Islamists are not fighting Christianity so much as modernity.
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2014 23:06:32 GMT -5
The difference is that the West has made a lot of progress in that respect over the last few hundred years while the Islamic world has regressed. Islamists are not fighting Christianity so much as modernity. From groups such as the Army of God and the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the US to the sectarian conflict in the Central African Republic to the National Liberation Front of Tripura in India there are Christian groups who are doing, today, much the same thing Islamist's are doing. As long as groups feel their god is the only right one the conflicts will continue.
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Post by jj on Oct 28, 2014 7:01:09 GMT -5
The problem is not so much the Islamic religion itself, as the disenfranchised, alienated or overly idealistic people looking for a sense of purpose in their life, and getting drawn into dangerous fundamentalist groups which can seem to offer the sense of belonging and purpose they crave. The media has a lot to answer for, in the way they stir up fear and hate in people, sometimes at the prodding of some seeking politcal gain. Education is the key to fighting ignorance and racism. rational, you make a good point also. When you stop viewing the world in black and white, 'we're the only right ones, everyone else is dammed' you lose the constant desire to judge everyone 24/7 and are then free to just get on with your life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 10:23:33 GMT -5
I receive this in a forwarded email a few minutes ago and thought that I would paste it here . This is very distressing and I do hope that you will also offer a prayer for these unfortunate people caught up in this war. Partaker Let us pray for our Christian brethen.
This was sent by Father John Pitzer, formerly at Holy Ghost Church and now New Orleans. Dear friends, Just a few minutes ago I received the following text message on my phone from Sean Malone who leads Crisis Relief International (CRI). We then spoke briefly on the phone and I assured him that we would share this urgent prayer need with all of our contacts.
"We lost the city of Queragosh (Qaraqosh). It fell to ISIS and they are beheading children systematically. This is the city we have been smuggling food to. ISIS has pushed back Peshmerga (Kurdish forces) and is within 10 minutes of where our CRI team is working. Thousands more fled into the city of Erbil last night. The UN evacuated it's staff in Erbil. Our team is unmoved and will stay. Prayer cover needed!" Please pray sincerely for the deliverance of the people of Northern Iraq from the terrible advancement of ISIS and its extreme Islamic goals for mass conversion or death for Christians across this region. May I plead with you not to ignore this email. Do not forward it before you have prayed through it. Then send it to as many people as possible. Send it to friends and Christians you may know. Send it to your prayer group. Send it to your pastor and phone him/her to pray on Sunday during the service - making a special time of prayer for this. We need to stand in the gap for our fellow Christians.
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Post by déjà vu on Nov 1, 2014 23:11:10 GMT -5
GO,MICHIGAN STATE Very interesting -- the University is standing by their professor and not bowing down to special interest groups! www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/wichman.aspProfessor Wichman E-mail Claim: A Michigan professor sent an e-mail telling Muslim students to leave the country. Status: True. The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indred Wichman. Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were 'hate speech.' ============ Enter Professor Wichman. ========================================== In his e-mail, he said the following: =============================== Dear Muslim Association, As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called 'ladys' in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Muslims to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile 'protests.' If you do not like the values of the West - see the First Amendment - you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans. Cordially, I. S. Wichman Professor of Mechanical Engineering ============================= As you can imagine, The Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded, that the university impose mandatory diversity training for faculty, And mandate a seminar on hate and discrimination for all freshmen. Now, the local chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor Had the right to express his opinion. ========== For its part, the university is standing its ground in support of Professor Wichman, Saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. ============================================================ Send this to your friends, and ask them to do the same. Tell them to keep passing it around until the whole country gets it. We are in a war. This political correctness crap is getting old and killing us. ================== If you agree with this, Please send it to all your friends, If not, simply delete it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 2, 2014 14:44:16 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you agree with this, Please send it to all your friends, If not, simply delete it. No one can delete your post , -only you can delete your own post.
Actually, Mr. Tell, I can see why you posted this news item, -being that your tag line is:
"If you are not a Christian, you are part of the anti-Christ “ -Adrian Rogers
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Post by jj on Nov 3, 2014 6:01:02 GMT -5
Any Aussies watching Q and A tonight? Some interesting points being made about this subject!
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Post by jj on Nov 10, 2014 8:38:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 14:02:52 GMT -5
There is a new report out that the IS is threatening to advance on Rome and kill the Pope and take over the Vatican. Wow! Is there anything sacred these days? Looks like the next world war will be a holy war.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2014 15:52:49 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you agree with this, Please send it to all your friends, If not, simply delete it. No one can delete your post , -only you can delete your own post.
Actually, Mr. Tell, I can see why you posted this news item, -being that your tag line is:
"If you are not a Christian, you are part of the anti-Christ “ -Adrian Rogers
I guess that includes us !!
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Post by fixit on Nov 16, 2014 16:11:31 GMT -5
There is a new report out that the IS is threatening to advance on Rome and kill the Pope and take over the Vatican. Wow! Is there anything sacred these days? Looks like the next world war will be a holy war. Sadly, you can't negotiate or coexist with people who are determined to destroy you. IS despise secularism and atheism as much as they despise the world's various religions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 16:30:31 GMT -5
There is a new report out that the IS is threatening to advance on Rome and kill the Pope and take over the Vatican. Wow! Is there anything sacred these days? This sounds remarkably similar to what the fanatical Christian President Bush did in relation to Iraq and its Head of State a few years ago. Do you think this sort of thing is to be welcomed or condemned? Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 16:32:07 GMT -5
There is a new report out that the IS is threatening to advance on Rome and kill the Pope and take over the Vatican. Wow! Is there anything sacred these days? Looks like the next world war will be a holy war. Sadly, you can't negotiate or coexist with people who are determined to destroy you. IS despise secularism and atheism as much as they despise the world's various religions. It baffles me as to why they are so hateful, why can't they just live and let live. It appears that they are just as cruel and hateful among themselves.
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Post by snow on Nov 16, 2014 16:42:44 GMT -5
Sadly, you can't negotiate or coexist with people who are determined to destroy you. IS despise secularism and atheism as much as they despise the world's various religions. It baffles me as to why they are so hateful, why can't they just live and let live. It appears that they are just as cruel and hateful among themselves. God moves in mysterious ways. They have threatened to kill all Canadians to the 'last man' too. To be honest all forms of religion and belief in God are depressing me. If God is love then why are there so many holy wars and horrendous deeds by those who believe in God. It's getting to the point I don't even want to live. All I ever hear is that I'm going to hell anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 16:46:12 GMT -5
There is a new report out that the IS is threatening to advance on Rome and kill the Pope and take over the Vatican. Wow! Is there anything sacred these days? This sounds remarkably similar to what the fanatical Christian President Bush did in relation to Iraq and its Head of State a few years ago. Do you think this sort of thing is to be welcomed or condemned? Matt10 Let me respond this way: wrong + wrong= wrong; wrong + Wrong not= right; true or false? i suppose "true" in the laws of the jungle where the fitest survive.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 16, 2014 17:13:59 GMT -5
This sounds remarkably similar to what the fanatical Christian President Bush did in relation to Iraq and its Head of State a few years ago. Do you think this sort of thing is to be welcomed or condemned? Matt10 Let me respond this way: wrong + wrong= wrong; wrong + Wrong not= right; true or false?
i suppose "true" in the laws of the jungle where the fitest survive. Partaker, Can you explain in examples what the heck this is suppose to mean: wrong + wrong= wrong; wrong + Wrong not= right; true or false?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:23:19 GMT -5
This sounds remarkably similar to what the fanatical Christian President Bush did in relation to Iraq and its Head of State a few years ago. Do you think this sort of thing is to be welcomed or condemned? Matt10 Let me respond this way: wrong + wrong= wrong; wrong + Wrong not= right; true or false? i suppose "true" in the laws of the jungle where the fitest survive. I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying here but by your frequent use of the word 'wrong' I assume you think such acts are to be condemned rather than welcomed. That being the case do you think the perpetrators of such acts should be brought before the International Criminal Court in The Hague and made to answer for their actions? Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:59:34 GMT -5
Let me respond this way: wrong + wrong= wrong; wrong + Wrong not= right; true or false? i suppose "true" in the laws of the jungle where the fitest survive. I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying here but by your frequent use of the word 'wrong' I assume you think such acts are to be condemned rather than welcomed. That being the case do you think the perpetrators of such acts should be brought before the International Criminal Court in The Hague and made to answer for their actions? Matt10 Ok, you are pretty smart, you have figured out my use of the word "wrong" correctly. If such acts are illegal, unjust, then they should be resolved legally in whichever Court of Justice is appropriate and the one you have mentioned above seems to be the appropriate one. So I am saying that an illegal act from one side + an illegal act from the other side in response ( tit for tat) does not necessarily make it legally right, it might be considered "even"(morally right). If a man punches you in the face, you would be justified in punching him back in his face, but if the cops come along, chances are you would both be arrested for disorderly conduct, breach of the peace, in a public place. The matter is supposed to be settled in a court of law, where Proper justice is meted out. Well that is my swing on the situation, anyway. The declaration of a state of war between countries might justify certain actions.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2014 18:27:35 GMT -5
Sadly, you can't negotiate or coexist with people who are determined to destroy you. IS despise secularism and atheism as much as they despise the world's various religions. It baffles me as to why they are so hateful, why can't they just live and let live. It appears that they are just as cruel and hateful among themselves. It's simple. Fanatics hate. All fanatics, of any religion, hate. The civilized ones never make the news.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2014 18:31:52 GMT -5
It baffles me as to why they are so hateful, why can't they just live and let live. It appears that they are just as cruel and hateful among themselves. God moves in mysterious ways. They have threatened to kill all Canadians to the 'last man' too. To be honest all forms of religion and belief in God are depressing me. If God is love then why are there so many holy wars and horrendous deeds by those who believe in God. It's getting to the point I don't even want to live. All I ever hear is that I'm going to hell anyway. When Arabs say: "Death to Americans", it means the same to them as "To hell with Arabs" means to Americans. Each language likes its own curses better.
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Post by snow on Nov 16, 2014 18:41:21 GMT -5
God moves in mysterious ways. They have threatened to kill all Canadians to the 'last man' too. To be honest all forms of religion and belief in God are depressing me. If God is love then why are there so many holy wars and horrendous deeds by those who believe in God. It's getting to the point I don't even want to live. All I ever hear is that I'm going to hell anyway. When Arabs say: "Death to Americans", it means the same to them as "To hell with Arabs" means to Americans. Each language likes its own curses better. So does that mean they don't mean to kill us all or does it mean that they will try?
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 16, 2014 18:44:59 GMT -5
It baffles me as to why they are so hateful, why can't they just live and let live. It appears that they are just as cruel and hateful among themselves. It's simple. Fanatics hate. All fanatics, of any religion, hate. The civilized ones never make the news. Your problem is this: according to the laws and courts of which jurisdiction. We're not all in heaven yet, so they still differ. Remember, we have lots of people in prison in the US for doing things that are perfectly legal in other parts of the same country. Tit-for-tap is a common justification -- but tat-for-tit is terrorism.
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