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Post by bubbles on Aug 28, 2014 13:53:29 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left?
The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king.
The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared.
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 28, 2014 17:47:25 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. Bubbles For those who state 'they never had it in the first place.' It seems to me they are spaeking about themselves JMT ken
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:56:03 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. although i feel sorry for ex's i would never say "they never had it"...
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 28, 2014 21:06:15 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. Bubbles, the 2x2's have been so indoctrinated that they are the only true church.
I believe that when they say such things as this about someone leaving, it is a kind of psychological defense mechanism. It is an attempt to convince themselves they are right and and that no one could possibly leave because that person knows something that they don't know. It probably isn't so much about the person who has left as it is to convince themselves that they are right.
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Post by Mary on Aug 28, 2014 21:50:51 GMT -5
Don't feel sorry for us Wally. Rejoice with us as we are rejoicing in the Lord.
There are exes who feel sorry for those who are still in.
Something is really wrong if people who claim to be Christian cannot rejoice with other Christians who do not go to their church. Is it your church that offers salvation Wally, or Jesus? Why would you not rejoice when people who leave your church still continue to love and worship the Lord? Why feel sorry for us?
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 29, 2014 0:15:18 GMT -5
Great question Mary ! Wally why do you feel sorry for ex's ?
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Post by jj on Aug 29, 2014 2:58:32 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. A worker told me the same thing in a rather heated phone conversation. For once, I said exactly what I was thinking and what I felt. I think they got a bit of a shock, having known me as a very quiet, complacent person in the meetings!
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Post by bubbles on Aug 29, 2014 5:24:13 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. A worker told me the same thing in a rather heated phone conversation. For once, I said exactly what I was thinking and what I felt. I think they got a bit of a shock, having known me as a very quiet, complacent person in the meetings! Good I was similar. Not any more.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 29, 2014 5:29:16 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. Bubbles, the 2x2's have been so indoctrinated that they are the only true church.
I believe that when they say such things as this about someone leaving, it is a kind of psychological defense mechanism. It is an attempt to convince themselves they are right and and that no one could possibly leave because that person knows something that they don't know. It probably isn't so much about the person who has left as it is to convince themselves that they are right.
You are possibly right. The friends i know struggle with any negative comment true or not stated about the group. Very defensive. Many times ive bèen told 'we shouldnt judge.' I hate being judgemental and yet they cant grasp my intent or motive is too help, enlighten not to hurt or even cause trouble.
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Post by Archie on Aug 29, 2014 6:22:02 GMT -5
I'm an ex , so don't feel sorry for me.
I feel so sorry for you who are still in and being brainwashed that "this is the only way. "
I'm so very happy that I've left and that the blinkers are off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:42:17 GMT -5
Don't feel sorry for us Wally. Rejoice with us as we are rejoicing in the Lord. There are exes who feel sorry for those who are still in. Something is really wrong if people who claim to be Christian cannot rejoice with other Christians who do not go to their church. Is it your church that offers salvation Wally, or Jesus? Why would you not rejoice when people who leave your church still continue to love and worship the Lord? Why feel sorry for us? because although i believe other people in other churches can be saved i also believe the further you get from the "truth" the harder it is....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:42:47 GMT -5
Great question Mary ! Wally why do you feel sorry for ex's ? read my above post
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Post by Mary on Aug 29, 2014 12:46:53 GMT -5
Don't feel sorry for us Wally. Rejoice with us as we are rejoicing in the Lord. There are exes who feel sorry for those who are still in. Something is really wrong if people who claim to be Christian cannot rejoice with other Christians who do not go to their church. Is it your church that offers salvation Wally, or Jesus? Why would you not rejoice when people who leave your church still continue to love and worship the Lord? Why feel sorry for us? because although i believe other people in other churches can be saved i also believe the further you get from the "truth" the harder it is.... How is leaving meeting getting further from the truth unless you believe your church is the Truth and not Jesus? How is believing, serving, honouring Jesus getting further from the truth? We have a closer relationship with Him that we had before. Leaving brought us closer to the Truth. What could be further from the truth than one who believes they are the truth and that those who attend another fellowship might not be saved. Since when is salvation based on a church that was started by a man or men 110 years ago and not Jesus alone. Something is really wrong with your idea of salvation if you think that salvation is only found in your church with a few outsiders sprinkled in. I thought Jesus was the way, the truth and the life, not a man made denomination. Where is your salvation wally ? In your church or in Jesus?
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Post by faune on Aug 29, 2014 13:39:49 GMT -5
This comment I heard while 2x2 in referance to anyone who had left, usually with a sad pitying tone in the voice. I felt pity too for those people whom I thought had lost salvation and no eternal life anymore. I would be gripped with fear for those people. Any current friends feel this way when they hear that about someone who left? The comment that really hit a nerve with me was 'they never had it in the first place.' I never did get it. How arrogant! That is one thing we should never do judge anothers relationship with their God. Bottom line is we just do not know what goes on between a human heart and a supernatural supreme power. Worker preacher teacher pastor priest king. The reason it hit a nerve was at the time it was about a favourite aunty who to this day remains the most God fearing person who never fails to encourage me and has been a wonderful blessing to my life when I felt destitute and no one gave a nic. She cared. Bubbles, the 2x2's have been so indoctrinated that they are the only true church.
I believe that when they say such things as this about someone leaving, it is a kind of psychological defense mechanism. It is an attempt to convince themselves they are right and and that no one could possibly leave because that person knows something that they don't know. It probably isn't so much about the person who has left as it is to convince themselves that they are right.
Dmmichgood ~ How true! I believe what you are seeing when people make such comments is the "only true way syndrome" in the form of a psychological defense mechanism. If people were so happy and content within the fold, why in the world would they want to leave anyway? Gives people a lot to think about and perhaps they don't want to go there? I enjoyed Ken's response earlier relating to this old cliche, since I had an ex-worker say the same thing to me in the past and my response was similar to JJ's. It did feel good to stand up to a worker and defend myself and my POV. Liberated at last! LOL
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 29, 2014 18:50:13 GMT -5
Don't feel sorry for us Wally. Rejoice with us as we are rejoicing in the Lord. There are exes who feel sorry for those who are still in. Something is really wrong if people who claim to be Christian cannot rejoice with other Christians who do not go to their church. Is it your church that offers salvation Wally, or Jesus? Why would you not rejoice when people who leave your church still continue to love and worship the Lord? Why feel sorry for us? because although i believe other people in other churches can be saved i also believe the further you get from the "truth" the harder it is.... Wally No disrespect. I believe that when folks get a true revelation of Gods TRUTH they strive to get closer to it not further from it. Where the spirit is there is liberty. Glad you consider others saved at least I think that is what you are saying but then qualify it by implying they are getting away from truth when the are drawing closer to the TRUTH JMT ken
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Post by faune on Aug 29, 2014 18:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 29, 2014 22:29:44 GMT -5
Great question Mary ! Wally why do you feel sorry for ex's ? read my above post Wally in your opinion what is the "truth"?
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 30, 2014 6:35:42 GMT -5
Don't feel sorry for us Wally. Rejoice with us as we are rejoicing in the Lord. There are exes who feel sorry for those who are still in. Something is really wrong if people who claim to be Christian cannot rejoice with other Christians who do not go to their church. Is it your church that offers salvation Wally, or Jesus? Why would you not rejoice when people who leave your church still continue to love and worship the Lord? Why feel sorry for us? because although i believe other people in other churches can be saved i also believe the further you get from the "truth" the harder it is.... Oh Wally, Wally, Wally..... That's one of your best. Self righteous much?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 11:58:58 GMT -5
because although i believe other people in other churches can be saved i also believe the further you get from the "truth" the harder it is.... How is leaving meeting getting further from the truth unless you believe your church is the Truth and not Jesus? How is believing, serving, honouring Jesus getting further from the truth? We have a closer relationship with Him that we had before. Leaving brought us closer to the Truth. What could be further from the truth than one who believes they are the truth and that those who attend another fellowship might not be saved. Since when is salvation based on a church that was started by a man or men 110 years ago and not Jesus alone. Something is really wrong with your idea of salvation if you think that salvation is only found in your church with a few outsiders sprinkled in. I thought Jesus was the way, the truth and the life, not a man made denomination. Where is your salvation wally ? In your church or in Jesus? as i've said before i believe others in other churches can be saved i believe it just a little bit harder with all the worldly influences... not everyone believes the william irvine story just because the paper trail goes cold with irvine doesn't mean it ends there... my salvation rests with Jesus and his first century church...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 12:00:15 GMT -5
because although i believe other people in other churches can be saved i also believe the further you get from the "truth" the harder it is.... Oh Wally, Wally, Wally..... That's one of your best. Self righteous much? i believe the word your looking for is confident...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 12:17:35 GMT -5
Wally, my salvation begins and ends with Yahu'suah ha Meshiach, where I'm welcome for corporate worship, I attend as often as possible with those welcoming me as near to my home as possible. Do I expect completed work in any of them? Of course not, I am not yet completed myself. Do I love my fellow believers? Most absolutely. Will I be disappointed by some in the future? Quite likely. My duty is to make every effort not to disappoint others.
Can you understand it is not the believers (Church) which can save, rather the Lord alone? From what you post, it appears to me that you believe in "Christ, plus..." if that is what you need, that is what you need. Many of us have learned we do not, and place our absolute trust and confidence in The Lord alone.
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Post by rational on Aug 30, 2014 13:36:35 GMT -5
I feel so sorry for you who are still in and being brainwashed that "this is the only way. " Christianity?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 14:42:22 GMT -5
I feel so sorry for you who are still in and being brainwashed that "this is the only way. " Christianity? Rat: if you are insinuating or implying that as a believing dedicated devout Christian, I have been "brainwashed," I find that insulting, disgusting, and repulsive. It is unworthy of you, no matter how many might agree with you and support you in this forum.
While I agree there indeed are brainwashed Christians, to tar all of us with the same insulting brush as such, violates all rational thought which contradicts all you claim to stand for, no matter how "smart" or "clever" you thought your post might have been.
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 30, 2014 15:23:10 GMT -5
Oh Wally, Wally, Wally..... That's one of your best. Self righteous much? i believe the word your looking for is confident... Um, Nope. Pretty sure I got it right the first time.
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Post by rational on Aug 30, 2014 15:36:14 GMT -5
Rat: if you are insinuating or implying that as a believing dedicated devout Christian, I have been "brainwashed," I find that insulting, disgusting, and repulsive. It is unworthy of you, no matter how many might agree with you and support you in this forum. There was a single pronoun in the quoted phrase, "this is the only way.", and my question was to determine whether it was referring to the denomination or the religion of which the poster was a member. Since @wally indicated that he believed members of other churches could be saved there was some ambiguity, at least in my mind, what was being considered the "only way". I have no idea of why you decided that I was somehow referring to people, or you in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 15:51:23 GMT -5
"No idea?" Of course not, for you have just said so and I am expected to believe you.
Rat, you are just not that dumb, nor usually so obvious. Anyone who even attempts to get in a parsing match with you, in my opinion does so in vain for you are very good at finding evasive ways.
Fact, I do not dislike you, in fact you have been kind to me, and I am thankful for that kindness. However It is growing to where I find it more and more difficult to respect your posts, so it is time for me to just ignore them. Feel free to do the same with mine. Good day, sir!
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Post by faune on Aug 30, 2014 15:53:08 GMT -5
Rat: if you are insinuating or implying that as a believing dedicated devout Christian, I have been "brainwashed," I find that insulting, disgusting, and repulsive. It is unworthy of you, no matter how many might agree with you and support you in this forum. There was a single pronoun in the quoted phrase, "this is the only way.", and my question was to determine whether it was referring to the denomination or the religion of which the poster was a member. Since @wally indicated that he believed members of other churches could be saved there was some ambiguity, at least in my mind, what was being considered the "only way". I have no idea of why you decided that I was somehow referring to people, or you in particular. Rational ~ I believe you make a sound point here when you consider that Christianity is also held up as a "one and only way" of salvation through Jesus Christ in comparison to other religions? However, the 2x2's is just another group with this much larger group of Christian believers. But, it's these one and only groups' lack of acceptance of the rest of the body of Christ that I believe causes disagreement here? The 2x2's are just one of these groups in another long list of others who feel the same and believe they have the only "answer" to one's salvation or redemption. Here's a comparison charge of these "one and only groups" for your consideration. As you can see, they do have a lot in common, although they all think they are unique?
www.theholdemans.com/Compare.htm
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Post by Mary on Aug 30, 2014 15:56:50 GMT -5
How is leaving meeting getting further from the truth unless you believe your church is the Truth and not Jesus? How is believing, serving, honouring Jesus getting further from the truth? We have a closer relationship with Him that we had before. Leaving brought us closer to the Truth. What could be further from the truth than one who believes they are the truth and that those who attend another fellowship might not be saved. Since when is salvation based on a church that was started by a man or men 110 years ago and not Jesus alone. Something is really wrong with your idea of salvation if you think that salvation is only found in your church with a few outsiders sprinkled in. I thought Jesus was the way, the truth and the life, not a man made denomination. Where is your salvation wally ? In your church or in Jesus? as i've said before i believe others in other churches can be saved i believe it just a little bit harder with all the worldly influences... not everyone believes the william irvine story just because the paper trail goes cold with irvine doesn't mean it ends there... my salvation rests with Jesus and his first century church... What worldly influences are you talking about wally? Do you mean worldly influences such as obeying the rules made by the workers? It is the Holy Spirit that convicts and does the work within us. Man made rules are just that, man made rules which quench the work of the Holy Spirit. I fail to see what worldly influences you mean. My salvation rests with Jesus and him alone. The church is for fellowship not salvation. If you believe that your salvation rests with the first century church how come you choose a church that is only 110 years old. Too bad the only way some can believe in their church is to live in denial. Denial does not wipe out history. The paper trail stops at Irvine because there is nothing before.
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