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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 13, 2014 18:12:29 GMT -5
Thought this was somewhat the limitation we experienced while professing ken
We may rightly appreciate and give due honor to the individual or church which was the instrument of our salvation and growth in grace, but when our love for our church breaks or hinders our fellowship with God’s true people in any other group, it has gotten in the wrong place – it is to that degree interfering with our fellowship with Christ. God says of His people, “Whosoever toucheth you toucheth the apple of mine eye.” When we refuse to fellowship with one with whom Christ is in fellowship, we are – in a sense – limiting our full measure of fellowship with Christ
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 2:17:54 GMT -5
This presupposes what some call the "universal church" but I am not sure where you are coming from. Are you for one doctrine? (Ecumenism) or many doctrines under one roof? (Nondenominational.)
If it's the former - good luck on that. If it's the latter then how can you have fellowship with another person who worships idols, whilst, for instance, you yourself don't believe it is right to worship idols?
And having defined other religions are being "right" where do you then draw the line with what is "not right"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 2:20:07 GMT -5
My friend Maria is an ardent Roman Catholic. I attend mass with her about once a year. Our friendship is not based upon our faith as we have distinct and strongly opposed beliefs. Thus there is friendship, but it's not spiritual.
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 14, 2014 4:56:31 GMT -5
Bert I see you have processed this through the 2x2 filter ken
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 6:06:20 GMT -5
That's a cop out Ken. I didn't use any so-called "2x2" belief system here at all. Just logic --- either, or, therefor.
So are you a Ecumenist or a Nondenominationalist? And, is there a line to be drawn, somewhere, anywhere?
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 14, 2014 8:16:17 GMT -5
Bert No cop out bert. There is always that 2x2 way of thinking Trying to find the box to fit me in,then discrediting whatever it is. The workers have trained you well.Sorry bert Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 14, 2014 8:18:24 GMT -5
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (1 John 4:4) Though ever vigilant, the child of God need fear no false teacher or doctrine-he need fear no antichrist-for the power and grace and love and work of God have freed the believer from all fear. If God is for us, who then may stand against us? Truly, we have been crafted much more than conquerors in the strength of Christ Jesus! Believer, take hold of your identity! Give no sway to the doctrine of the flesh! Stand firm against the passions of men! Rejoice in your holy calling and irrevocable birthright!
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 14, 2014 8:18:48 GMT -5
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. (1 John 4:4) Though ever vigilant, the child of God need fear no false teacher or doctrine-he need fear no antichrist-for the power and grace and love and work of God have freed the believer from all fear. If God is for us, who then may stand against us? Truly, we have been crafted much more than conquerors in the strength of Christ Jesus! Believer, take hold of your identity! Give no sway to the doctrine of the flesh! Stand firm against the passions of men! Rejoice in your holy calling and irrevocable birthright!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 8:28:47 GMT -5
All accusation Ken. Where is your substance?
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Post by rational on Aug 14, 2014 9:52:58 GMT -5
My friend Maria is an ardent Roman Catholic. Wow. I've heard some of the music she inspired by her!
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Post by slowtosee on Aug 14, 2014 10:38:06 GMT -5
Dead giveaway, bert is a lot older than we thought. Cheers to you all. Alvin
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Post by Mary on Aug 14, 2014 19:00:00 GMT -5
She isn't Prue is she Bert? I miss Prue. Have you two split up?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 0:10:12 GMT -5
She isn't Prue is she Bert? I miss Prue. Have you two split up? I thought Bert said her name was Maria? "My friend Maria is an ardent Roman Catholic."
You know "Maria," as in "Sound of Music" Maria?
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Post by Mary on Aug 15, 2014 0:11:52 GMT -5
I guessed Prue was not her real name either.
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 15, 2014 5:35:18 GMT -5
All accusation Ken. Where is your substance? Bert What part of the scripture do you not understand. ken
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 6:34:14 GMT -5
What part do you understand Ken?
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 15, 2014 20:18:09 GMT -5
What part do you understand Ken? Answer a question with a question.... Ken is right, they really have taught you well Bertie
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 15, 2014 21:53:11 GMT -5
What part do you understand Ken? Answer a question with a question.... Ken is right, they really have taught you well Bertie
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Post by emy on Aug 15, 2014 23:05:45 GMT -5
Ken, I think Bert was responding to this: Bert No cop out bert. There is always that 2x2 way of thinking Trying to find the box to fit me in,then discrediting whatever it is. The workers have trained you well.Sorry bert rather than any of the scripture you quoted. Whyisitso, Ahem... I think Ken was first to answer a question with a question, though he neglected to use a question mark. Bert What part of the scripture do you not understand. kenThat was in reply to Bert's question: yesterday at 8:28am All accusation Ken. Where is your substance?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 23:22:10 GMT -5
Ken, I think Bert was responding to this: Bert No cop out bert. There is always that 2x2 way of thinking Trying to find the box to fit me in,then discrediting whatever it is. The workers have trained you well.Sorry bert rather than any of the scripture you quoted. Whyisitso, Ahem... I think Ken was first to answer a question with a question, though he neglected to use a question mark. Bert What part of the scripture do you not understand. kenThat was in reply to Bert's question: yesterday at 8:28am All accusation Ken. Where is your substance? seems like some are using one eye
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Post by timber on Aug 16, 2014 7:06:09 GMT -5
I remember first learning of the origins of the 2x2s. After the shock, denial etc I realized that my feeling of "being special" involved a lot of pride. We had this, they didn't, etc. I still fight this tendency, but am welcoming more and more the chance to learn and share with those who are focused on Christ and all that He is.
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Post by matisse on Aug 16, 2014 8:51:34 GMT -5
I remember first learning of the origins of the 2x2s. After the shock, denial etc I realized that my feeling of "being special" involved a lot of pride. We had this, they didn't, etc. I still fight this tendency, but am welcoming more and more the chance to learn and share with those who are focused on Christ and all that He is. I had a similar experience of discovering how invested I had been in "being special." For me, that extended to the mindset of "through Christ alone" as well. Losing one's faith can be quite a humbling experience.
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Post by kencoolidge on Aug 16, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
What part do you understand Ken? Bert Not much but what I do understand keeps me busy. Thats a quote from Margaret Carey One of my favorite workers. ken
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Post by snow on Aug 16, 2014 17:44:02 GMT -5
I remember first learning of the origins of the 2x2s. After the shock, denial etc I realized that my feeling of "being special" involved a lot of pride. We had this, they didn't, etc. I still fight this tendency, but am welcoming more and more the chance to learn and share with those who are focused on Christ and all that He is. I had a similar experience of discovering how invested I had been in "being special." For me, that extended to the mindset of "through Christ alone" as well. Losing one's faith can be quite a humbling experience. I find this to be interesting. In a way it was that mindset that 'we're special' that turned me off. It seemed so wrong that we were the only ones going to heaven and all those other good people I knew weren't because they didn't belong to my church. I imagine if I'd stayed longer though, I probably would have had the same problem. It would be hard to not feel special after being told we were so often. What I found hard when I stopped believing was how alone I felt. It was a relief in some ways, but also like I needed to learn how to fend for myself all of a sudden. Kind of like leaving home or having your parents die.
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