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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 6:08:55 GMT -5
I wonder how many people google search the workers names and find a website detailing aspects of the fellowship? I feel like the websites are keeping outsiders from coming back. I know this trend was beginning to happen long before TTT, VOT, TMB etc.But the world wide web has accelerate the process.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 7:19:12 GMT -5
thats how i found VOT by typing in george walkers name...don't know why i did that though...
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Post by Greg on Apr 23, 2014 9:05:20 GMT -5
The amount of outside interest might not have changed in the last 50-60 years, in general in the USA and Canada. Could be these few a year read about the friends and workers and then make their decision to go forth with their interest or not.
Some who know the friends and workers, but knew little of their beliefs and doctrine - neighbors and such - might look them up.
The information of the beginning of days and such, especially via the internet, might have greater impact on those in the way. There might be a change in conviction about basis of their belief and following, some rationalization, and what-have-you. Easy to imagine some went from "this is the right way" to "this is how we do it...because we read about such in the Bible."
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Post by aussie22 on Apr 23, 2014 18:54:27 GMT -5
We knew nothing until the workers said their names were on the Internet and one of the lady workers was a little upset because her name had been missed, so we had a look and could not believe our eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 0:53:50 GMT -5
We knew nothing until the workers said their names were on the Internet and one of the lady workers was a little upset because her name had been missed, so we had a look and could not believe our eyes. is it the end of the world for you?
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Post by blandie on Apr 24, 2014 12:37:14 GMT -5
Unless the F&W's in the last few months have become uncommon upfront about who they are and what they are called then I don't think most invitees from outside would know what to look for on the net anymore than they knew what information to look for at the city library 30 or 50 years ago. Maybe they get a better idea of what to look up once they get a gospel meeting or two under their belts and they can start plugging words like worker and meeting and convention and friends into google or bing. What they find might give em a cause to do some thinking before they went to the 3rd or 4th gospel meeting or professed but I'm not sure how many people do much searching into churches before professing or many of them would have some trouble getting new attendees and some of the very ones you'd think would have the most trouble because of what is out there about them seem to be doing much better than the workers at both keeping their members and attracting more. The no name and no organization and no buildings and no doctrine and etc lies aren't working anymore and maybe people have seen enough of those exposed in other religious and nonreligious groups that they don't swallow those things so easily these days.
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Post by rational on Apr 24, 2014 14:17:43 GMT -5
Unless the F&W's in the last few months have become uncommon upfront about who they are and what they are called then I don't think most invitees from outside would know what to look for on the net anymore than they knew what information to look for at the city library 30 or 50 years ago. I don't think this is quite true. 30 years ago what reference material could you use to even start a look-up?
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Post by blandie on Apr 24, 2014 17:15:18 GMT -5
Looking down the list of the references in the wiki Two by Twos article there are quite a few prior to 1984 and some going back before the 1940's. Some of those would have been in local libraries at least and the Heresies Exposed book is still in many. Some of the others would have been in most univ. libraries. The problem of having a name or good terms to look up is the same now as it was then and once you find something in one book - or site today - then you find other things to begin searching for.
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Post by rational on Apr 24, 2014 23:27:39 GMT -5
Looking down the list of the references in the wiki Two by Twos article there are quite a few prior to 1984 and some going back before the 1940's. Some of those would have been in local libraries at least and the Heresies Exposed book is still in many. Some of the others would have been in most univ. libraries. The problem of having a name or good terms to look up is the same now as it was then and once you find something in one book - or site today - then you find other things to begin searching for. The question was - "How would you walk into a library and look them up?" There was no Wikipedia and I doubt it would be found in Encyclopedia Britannica or Funk & Wagnalls. The card catalog probably would not be much help. When the subject is relatively unknown finding references would have been difficult. The internet allows one to search across multiple sources in seconds and refine the search as required. Locating a reference in a single book would be much more tedious than searching millions sites/references. I am not saying it could not be done but having the book in a library and being able to locate it are two very different things.
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Post by blandie on Apr 25, 2014 0:31:39 GMT -5
Yes more tedious but it wasn't as difficult as you seem to think. I speak from experience trying to find out if anything had been written back then and without an acknowledged or unacknowledged name or history I passed right over references in the library and that also happens with the net Wikipedia or not. Had I had the slightest inkling to look for Cooneyites or Two by Twos I could have easily found them in Profiles in Belief or the Secret Sect or Cults and Isms or Small Sects of America or Schaff-Herzog's Religion Encyclopedia or Heresies Exposed at the library - just the same way as it wasn't rocket science to look up just about anything in the reference stacks back in those days. Card catalogs only got you to the right section and maybe folks these days have forgotten how to use indexes and footnotes to do research but it worked fine if slower than a net search. Finding a group that denies just about everything written about themselves in the mountain of nameless groups that misrepresent themselves is still daunting to most people and especially to people coming to their first gospel meetings.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2014 3:05:28 GMT -5
The internet is like a light shining into dark corners, illuminating that which some would like to be hid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 3:22:56 GMT -5
Looking down the list of the references in the wiki Two by Twos article there are quite a few prior to 1984 and some going back before the 1940's. Some of those would have been in local libraries at least and the Heresies Exposed book is still in many. Some of the others would have been in most univ. libraries. The problem of having a name or good terms to look up is the same now as it was then and once you find something in one book - or site today - then you find other things to begin searching for. If a person gets as far as a gospel meeting, they only have to key in the title of the hymnbook they are given and for my Google search of "hymns old and new", 3 of the top 4 results were relevant. Searching "hymns old and new workers" hits the main 2x2 sites. You're right though, someone has to pick up some of the lingo for successful search terms. In a lot of cases, the name of the senior of the two workers could successfully get them to the 2x2 sites as there are lots of worker names on the TTT site. Something like "Joe Blow worker" or "Joe Blow gospel meetings" have a good chance of being successful. Slightly off topic, but I wonder how many exes are still unaware of the huge amount of material on 2x2ism exists on the internet. We still occasionally encounter an ex or an innie who are shocked to discover all the information available.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 7:17:27 GMT -5
The internet is like a light shining into dark corners, illuminating that which some would like to be hid. Yes, just ask the Jihadis. It's a gold mine for Islamic extremism.
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2014 9:58:51 GMT -5
The internet is like a light shining into dark corners, illuminating that which some would like to be hid. Yes, just ask the Jihadis. It's a gold mine for Islamic extremism. Yes and wouldn't it have been wonderful for those Christian clergy back in the witch burning days!! What a coup that would have been!!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2014 14:42:45 GMT -5
The internet is like a light shining into dark corners, illuminating that which some would like to be hid. Yes, just ask the Jihadis. It's a gold mine for Islamic extremism. That's right Bert.... look at some other group rather than yourself and your associates.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 15:43:07 GMT -5
Sigh...I wished we could have these discussions without OTHER groups being brought into the equation. Sure there are plenty of other groups but most of us have no connection with other groups. I do enjoy reading from ex-Mormons and ex JWs because of similar issues being discussed on their ex message boards.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 25, 2014 15:57:27 GMT -5
In the days before education was widespread and most people could read and write, the clergy and the rich were the only ones to be able to read. It seems that in some society's that the church and aristocracy of the time liked it that way. Keeping the peasant's illiterate meant that the only ones to be able to read the bible and dispense wisdom from it were the clergy. With the ability to read becoming widespread people became inquisitive. They sought out knowledge. They applied what they learnt to their own lives and wondered why other lives did not line up with what was coming out of their mouths. The internet could be a blessing or a curse. Use it to seek the truth and knowledge. Pray for wisdom to apply this knowledge to ones own life. I guess that some in the 2x2's think that what is published about CSA and other crimes is a curse. They would rather not have the light on them and think there is much more deserving causes such as "Gay bondage stamps". I'm of the opinion that what is brought to light is done so for a reason.
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Post by rational on Apr 26, 2014 6:43:44 GMT -5
Sigh...I wished we could have these discussions without OTHER groups being brought into the equation. Sure there are plenty of other groups but most of us have no connection with other groups. Looking outside of the little box you live in is not always a bad thing. Many people feel that expanding one's knowledge of other humans and what they believe is a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 18:02:21 GMT -5
I guess that some in the 2x2's think that what is published about CSA and other crimes is a curse ^^^^^^^ They started voicing concern about the hate mail from the enemies of Truth. And the Secret Sect book. And then the internet made the info more readily available.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 30, 2014 3:48:14 GMT -5
They are reaping what they have sowed.
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Post by magpie on Apr 30, 2014 7:58:56 GMT -5
ENLIGHTENED GENERATION,NOT ALL FOR GOOD,BUT QUICKLY THEOLOGY CAN BE COMPARED,CHALLENGED,DISCECTED ,DEBATED,STUDIED,ARGUED,ETC. THE 2x2 UNBIBLICAL CELIBATE,PREACHER ONLY,JUDGEMENTAL,ILLUSIVE,SECRETATIVE,EXCLUSIVE, DOCTORINE,WITH A TAINTED, WORSE THAN MANY, SEXUAL CRIME RATES PER CAPITA,SHOWING UP,AND DENIED OR HIDDEN? HOW ANYONE WOULD WANT TO EVEN CONTEMPLATE LISTENING SUCH A LOVELESS COMPASSIONLESS SHRINKING DECEPTIVE LOT THAT EVEN STILL PREACH THEY ARE NAMELESS? EXCUSE CAPITALS I (NEARLY BLIND) COP FLACK FROM A LOT OF SELFRIGHTOUS 2x2s WHO SAY THEY REFUSE TO READ CAPITALS? I STRUGGLE AND READ THEIR NON CAPITALS WITHOUT ANY UNGODLY GRIZZLES. FOLK ARE MORE LIKELY TO FIND GOD AND SALVATION OUTSIDE THE IRVINITE SECT,OR THEY SOON LEARN WORKER LEGALISTIC JUDGEMENT IS COLD AND BITTER.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 9:18:29 GMT -5
Magpie, you are the first person I have blocked on this board. Ever. I had to figure out how to do it.
Yes - Hide this member's posts. Yes - Do not let this member start new conversations with me. Yes - Do not let this member follow me or my activities. Yes - Block notifications from this member.
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Post by Gene on Apr 30, 2014 10:58:33 GMT -5
Magpie, you are the first person I have blocked on this board. Ever. I had to figure out how to do it. Yes - Hide this member's posts. Yes - Do not let this member start new conversations with me. Yes - Do not let this member follow me or my activities. Yes - Block notifications from this member. Why, Bert?
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Post by slowtosee on Apr 30, 2014 11:14:21 GMT -5
Magpie, thanks for taking time and effort to post here. Understanding your plight of poor eyesight, you are more than welcome to print in capitals or whatever works. I think practically everyone here can appreciate that. Don't be intimidated if anyone tries to shut you down over that. Alvin
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Post by jondough on Apr 30, 2014 16:19:10 GMT -5
Magpie;
Here's a suggestion; Do your writing on word, or any other program. You can then enlarge the font and see it much easier while you write. After you're all through, simply cut & paste it to the reply box.
Just a suggestion that will make it much easier for you to see what you are writing.
JD
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 1, 2014 4:00:32 GMT -5
You can enlarge your font by clicking reply and going to Font Size. Easy.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 19:00:53 GMT -5
Imagine if they did a search of Jerome Frandle or Bill Denk? Hmm.
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