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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 5:13:26 GMT -5
And Bert has spoken ! Have a bit of understanding for the older generation Bert, we are not all perfect like you !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 5:16:13 GMT -5
By the way Bert you still have not answer my question, in regard to how many workers do you know? You stated that you don't know any workers who don't live what they preach .... so I was wondering how many workers you know ? I can think of 4 in NSW alone who have not lived what they preached .........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 5:23:57 GMT -5
By the way Bert you still have not answer my question, in regard to how many workers do you know? You stated that you don't know any workers who don't live what they preach .... so I was wondering how many workers you know ? I can think of 4 in NSW alone who have not lived what they preached ......... I don't know how many Workers are in NSW. Let's say it's X. So if you say there are 4 who have had problems then there are X-4 Workers whom COULD be ok. I am not sure where this is going... But here's my two cents worth: THE PROBLEM FOR SOME ISN'T THE CHRISTIAN WHO "HAS FAILED LIKE ME," IT'S THE ONES WHO "HAVEN'T FAILED."
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 5:29:59 GMT -5
You said that "You don't know any workers who DON'T live what they preach.... my response was how many workers do you really know? I then said I can think of 4 workers just in NSW that have not lived what they preach .... now lets add Victoria ..... mmmm wonder what the number is there ? Do you see a pattern ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 5:41:49 GMT -5
Quote - "Do you see a pattern ?"
A dear little old lady in my meeting hasn't missed a day of church in decades. She informed us recently "I won't be here next Sunday" and I said, "Ah ha! Can't you see A PATTERN developing here?"
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 6:08:25 GMT -5
Sorry Bert, I don't see what that has to do with what you said originally or my reply ..... Considering you said "You don't know any workers who don't live what they preach" !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 6:13:13 GMT -5
If you had the most perfect Archbishop or Pope, a man who had never sinned in his life - I would say that he isn't living what he preaches when he preaches Christ. That is what I mean.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 6:13:57 GMT -5
As to a pattern well there seems to be one happening in Victoria at the moment .... 2 workers in as many years & what about the ones that were sent to another state ! Or the one that was sent home because he dared to question and have concerns about CSA. But Mr Leitch seems to have all the answers!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 6:18:20 GMT -5
Isobel, someone else's failing is no excuse for my own. Am I to understand that you are not a member of our church?
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Post by jscc1 on Apr 24, 2014 17:20:59 GMT -5
Isabelrose,try as hard as you like,dont give up. But mind control leaves the Berts blinded to Gods commands and the wider picture of living Christ. They would waste time reading a large fiction novel but ignore a few minutes to hear or read a view they cant handle in their lazy do nothing doctorine as someone mentioned. Taught to avoid real debate,as they have no scriptural strength to challenge or answer. bye
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 18:10:29 GMT -5
If you had the most perfect Archbishop or Pope, a man who had never sinned in his life - I would say that he isn't living what he preaches when he preaches Christ. That is what I mean. So Bert who gives you the right to say a Archbishop that has never sinned in his life ( we all sin ) isn't living what he preaches ? Yet you say you don't know any workers that don't live what they preach, so you are in fact saying that the workers are perfect ! Yet on the other hand you are judging someone else that belongs to another church when you don't know what their relationship is with God. How self righteous is that ! Yet you try to justify the workers even when they plead guilty to CSA. Maybe if the workers didn't preach that "We are the only right way " " All other churches are wrong" people would be more understanding when cases like EB in Victoria happen ( Not that there can ever really be understanding of abusers) when the same worker had so much to say to others in regard to things that were trivial then they find out what he was doing, how do you think people will re-act ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 18:22:28 GMT -5
Isobel, someone else's failing is no excuse for my own. Am I to understand that you are not a member of our church? Bert what is your Church ? What are the doctrines ? As to being a member.....I am the 5th generation of 6 generations that have been following a "way" that is suppose to have gone back to Jesus, but in fact was started by William Irvine. So now you could say I am no longer a member
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 20:06:39 GMT -5
Quote - "So Bert who gives you the right to say a Archbishop that has never sinned in his life ( we all sin ) isn't living what he preaches ?"
If there was a Pope, say, dressed in ornate gowns and bling, born aloft on the shoulders of other men, living a sumptuous life, assuming all manner of temporal powers and having the "right" to dictate church doctrine ----
--- there would be a serious problem. As StJohn put it, we must "live the Lord's death till He comes." and Jesus was borne on no-one's shoulders and rejected the sumptuous life and "soft clothing" and wore no bling and assumed no temporal powers and He Himself built the Church - finished and done.
(not left for theologians, philosophers and pagans to continue building upon.)
So our sumptuous and powerful man HAS sinned and come short of the glory of God (having taken that glory to himself.)
Here's the problem. If you see a Worker has sinned you justify yourself - but my church agrees with your assessment. But if I point our Mr Bling, borne aloft on the shoulders of men, you see nothing wrong in it. To us it is wickedness. And worse, Mr Bling Man is writing the doctrines by which you are happy to live your life.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 24, 2014 23:10:01 GMT -5
Bert you did not answer the question, what is your churches doctrine ? As to Mr Bling well maybe you should do a bit of research into the amount of money that has been spent by the workers to get people like EB a high profile lawyer. As to the sumptuous life, well the workers sure don't do it hard like they did 40 years ago ! Laptops & smartphones are common place! Yet you are concerned about ornate robes.
Yes Christ finished the Church, not left for workers to continue building upon with man-made rules and William Irvine"s ideas.
So in your opinion no workers have ever taken that glory to themselves..... you only have to see what happen to Irvine to understand man wanting glory !
I do not justify myself because a worker has sinned, we are all human, what I have a problem with are workers & people thinking they are the "only right way" and judging other churches, yet they don't want to see what is happening & being covered-up ( CC & EB as an example) and lets not start on NSW !
To me wickedness is children being abused and people covering it up, not fancy robes worn by Mr Bling. As to the doctrines that I live by you do not know that nor do you know the reason why I am not a member of your church anymore.
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Post by magpie on Apr 25, 2014 0:56:56 GMT -5
BERT OL'BOY, SORRY CAPITALS ARE A BOTHER TO YOU. SPOKE TO ONE OF Fr BOBS SUCCESS'S,HE HAS SEEN WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN,AND ATTITUDE> "HE SHED TEARS" WHY? HE CANNOT BELIEVE ONE WOULD WOULD CHALLENGE OR LESSEN THE WORK GOD CAN DO WITH THE BOBs AND MANY OTHERS SACRIFICING THEIR COMFORTS AND TIME TO HELP WHAT, AS HE WAS, ONCE SEEN AS A HOPELESS ALCOHOLIC "AS HE WAS?" THEY SAW HIM AS A SOUL NEEDING GODs GRACE. HE NOW LIVES AMONGST DROP IN CENTRES SHOWING GODs LOVE AND PROMISES TO THOSE, THE CHRISTIAN CONVENTIONS (AS CURRENT LETTER HEADS SAY 2x2s ARE)WOULD REJECT AS "HOPELESS CASES". DO YOU KNOW WHAT IF YOU HAVE HAD THE TIME TO READ THIS FAR,I KNOW THAT CAPITALS ARE A "BOTHER" TO YOU..BUT, AS BOB, THEY SEE THE SUPPOSED HOPLESS ONES IN THEIR MESS,THE FIRST MESSAGE? WE ACCEPT YOU,THEN ALONG THE WAY -WHY ARE YOU SO DOWN? THEN THE GREATEST QUESTION OF ALL THEY WILL ASK US? ""WHY DO YOU CARE""?. THEN YOU CAN LET THEM KNOW IT IS BECAUSE GOD WOULD HAVE US TO. IF YOU GOT THIS FAR BERT? SCRIPTURELY WHY WOULD THE IRVINE EXCLUSIVE DOCTORINE REJECT GODs WORK THROUGH OTHERS? IN YOUR SUPPOSED FELLOWSHIPS DOCTORINE MOTHER TERESA WOULD BE IN HELL YOU MUST AGREE IF YOU ARE HONEST TO THE PREACHER ONLY SECT? ALSO OLD IRISH NEWSPAPERS HAVE AN ARTICLE OF IRVINE KICKING ONE OF HIS EARLY GO PREACHERS OUT BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT AGREE TO PREACH THAT JOHN WESLEY WOULD BE BURNING IN HELL? GET SOME ONE TO LOOK THAT ONE UP FOR YOU .AS MANY KNOW I AM A VICTIM OF CSA CRIMES BY 2 WORKERS 1940s/1950s/ONE WENT ON AAND KEPT PREACHING AND IS STILL ALIVE>NOW PLEASE AN HONEST BIBLICAL/SCRIPTURAL REASON YOUR MIND CONTROLLED LOT AS SOME CALL YOU,WHY THEY DONT JOIN US AT THE COAL FACE OF HUMANITY AND ITS STRUGGLES? NEVER HEARD ONE,IN THE STREETS OR REFUGES EVER,SAY THEY ARE DOING THIS IN A DENOMINATIONAL NAME,EVER, THEY ALWAYS SAY IT IS IN THE NAME OF JESUS,AND SOON SHOW GODs GRACE IS A GIFT.
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Post by magpie on Apr 25, 2014 1:23:33 GMT -5
BERT YOU ARE SO BLIND? FORGET THE BLING AND ROBES YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN TO LOOK AT THOSE, YOUR 2x2s FOUNDER DIED VERY RICH? LOOK BEYOND THE FOLLOWERS IN SO MANY "CHRISTIAN GROUPS" ALL OVER THE WORLD WHAT THEY DO LOCAL AS WELL AS IN SICK WAR RAVAGED COUNTRIES ,AMONGST POOR,DYING,IMPRISIONED,FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO VOICE (AS MANY OF US ARE DOING WORLDWIDE FOR CSA SEXUAL CRIME VICTIMS IN SUPPOSED CELIBATE MINISTRIES< AS 2x2s),TAKING DEAD BABYS FROM DEAD MOTHERS,OR DEAD MOTHERS AWAY FROM THEIR STARVING CHILD,LEPER COMMUNE WORKERS, ANOTHER WHY?,THROUGH PRAYER AND SUPPORTIVE FELLOWSHIPS GOD HAS LED THEM THERE.THESE THE HUMBLE STUDENTS OF SOUND THEOLOGY THEY PUT INTO PRACTICE "NOT A SIN IS IT"?? TIME TO FORGET YOUR CONTROLLED THINKING AND LOOK AT THE GOOD DONE AMONGST ACTIVE CHRISTIANS? OUR AUSTRALIA WOULD BE BANKRUPT IN QUICK TIME IF EVERY BENEVELENT CHARITABLE $$ OUT OF CHRISTIAN GROUPS GIVING,INSTITUTION AND WORK,WAS TAKEN AWAY?. YES THIS HAS BEEN OFTEN DOCUMENTED,AND WOULD BE WORSE IF POSSIBLE TO THE --$$ MESS THE LABOR PARTY HAS LEFT US IN.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Apr 25, 2014 8:24:35 GMT -5
Magpie, all caps "bothers" me too. It's not just that all caps looks like your shouting at me, it's hard to read. I just don't bother to read posts like that.
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Post by magpie on Apr 25, 2014 9:00:33 GMT -5
DUBIOUS DISCIPLE,DUBIOUS YOU SOUND.WONT READ A BIT IF PRINTING WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRUCTIVE 2x2 PREACHERS? NO THE VICTIMS OF ALL THOSE HORRID WARS,ABUSE,POVERTY,ADICTIONS AND OF COURSE WE MUST PLACE THE VICTIMS OF DECADES OF TIME SEXUALLY ABUSED BY 2x2 HIM?HER PREACHERS. OF COURSE THOSE WHO HAVE RESORTED TO SELF HARM TO ESCAPE THEIR DEPHILED LIFE SHAME AND PAIN, WE HAVE ONLY THEIR FAMILIES TO COMFORT NOW.I SAW A WEDDING INVITE ON OUR PIANO,GUESS WHAT IT WAS ALL IN CAPS ,AND THEY WERE NOT SHOUTING,AND IT WAS EASY TO READ SO WE HAVE REPLIED.YOU SURE WOULD FAIL BADLY AS A BIBLE TRANSLATER. GO BACK SLOWLY OVER WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN,CAREFULLY ANSWER ANY NEED FOR CORRECTIONS.NOW IN YOUR DUBIOUS MIND,IT APPEARS THAT WILL TAKE YOU ABOUT AS LONG AS READING NEWS HEADLINES ONE MORNING,FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN A TOM CRUISE MARRIAGE BREAKUP..WE PREFER TO TALK OF TAKING LIVING WATER FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN WITH THIRSTY AND HUNGRY SOULS. COME AND JOIN US,SOME TIMES WE MEET Fr BOBs VOLUNTEERS LATE AT NIGHT,YOU COULD GET TO MEET HIM.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:09:20 GMT -5
Magpie, all caps "bothers" me too. It's not just that all caps looks like your shouting at me, it's hard to read. I just don't bother to read posts like that. You don't have to read them. They are a lot easier to skim over to the next posting.
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Post by jj on Apr 25, 2014 9:29:54 GMT -5
If you had the most perfect Archbishop or Pope, a man who had never sinned in his life - I would say that he isn't living what he preaches when he preaches Christ. That is what I mean. So Bert who gives you the right to say a Archbishop that has never sinned in his life ( we all sin ) isn't living what he preaches ? Yet you say you don't know any workers that don't live what they preach, so you are in fact saying that the workers are perfect ! Yet on the other hand you are judging someone else that belongs to another church when you don't know what their relationship is with God. How self righteous is that ! Yet you try to justify the workers even when they plead guilty to CSA. Maybe if the workers didn't preach that "We are the only right way " " All other churches are wrong" people would be more understanding when cases like EB in Victoria happen ( Not that there can ever really be understanding of abusers) when the same worker had so much to say to others in regard to things that were trivial then they find out what he was doing, how do you think people will re-act ? I couldnt agree more with this post. Why do people judge others? To feel better about themselves and their own failings and insecurities. I know I'm guilty of this. At the risk of flaming this thread I'm going to say that from my experience in the truth, I was so stressed, scared and insecure about my salvation, that I felt the need to constantly evaluate, judge and analyse the behaviours etc of those around me to try to work out if I was saved or not. Then God showed me that He is far far greater, more loving and merciful than our human minds could ever hope to comprehend, and that I can leave everything and all judgement to Him and trust completely in Him, and have the 'peace of a perfect trust'.
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Post by faune on Apr 25, 2014 10:16:12 GMT -5
And so are you in many of your posts, I might add, Father Bob.
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Post by faune on Apr 25, 2014 10:18:23 GMT -5
I'm told the only hogwash in the Bible is the day a buncha demons got a good baptism. Dubious ~ Well, if Legion wasn't so infected with them when Jesus cast the demons out, they might have been spared their lives? No wonder they kept Legion chained!
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Post by snow on Apr 25, 2014 10:35:20 GMT -5
DUBIOUS DISCIPLE,DUBIOUS YOU SOUND.WONT READ A BIT IF PRINTING WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRUCTIVE 2x2 PREACHERS? NO THE VICTIMS OF ALL THOSE HORRID WARS,ABUSE,POVERTY,ADICTIONS AND OF COURSE WE MUST PLACE THE VICTIMS OF DECADES OF TIME SEXUALLY ABUSED BY 2x2 HIM?HER PREACHERS. OF COURSE THOSE WHO HAVE RESORTED TO SELF HARM TO ESCAPE THEIR DEPHILED LIFE SHAME AND PAIN, WE HAVE ONLY THEIR FAMILIES TO COMFORT NOW.I SAW A WEDDING INVITE ON OUR PIANO,GUESS WHAT IT WAS ALL IN CAPS ,AND THEY WERE NOT SHOUTING,AND IT WAS EASY TO READ SO WE HAVE REPLIED.YOU SURE WOULD FAIL BADLY AS A BIBLE TRANSLATER. GO BACK SLOWLY OVER WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN,CAREFULLY ANSWER ANY NEED FOR CORRECTIONS.NOW IN YOUR DUBIOUS MIND,IT APPEARS THAT WILL TAKE YOU ABOUT AS LONG AS READING NEWS HEADLINES ONE MORNING,FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN A TOM CRUISE MARRIAGE BREAKUP..WE PREFER TO TALK OF TAKING LIVING WATER FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN WITH THIRSTY AND HUNGRY SOULS. COME AND JOIN US,SOME TIMES WE MEET Fr BOBs VOLUNTEERS LATE AT NIGHT,YOU COULD GET TO MEET HIM. It's not that Magpie. We are interested in what you have to say. We are genuinely trying to tell you that all capitals is very hard to read. We are not criticizing you, we are asking you to help make it easier for us to read your posts. Please.
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Post by Gene on Apr 25, 2014 11:40:47 GMT -5
Dubious disciple, dubious you sound. Won’t read a bit if printing when we are talking about the destructive 2x2 preachers? No the victims of all those horrid wars, abuse, poverty, addictions and of course we must place the victims of decades of time sexually abused by 2x2 him her preachers. Of course those who have resorted to self-harm to escape their defiled life shame and pain, we have only their families to comfort now. I saw a wedding invite on our piano, guess what it was all in caps, and they were not shouting, and it was easy to read so we have replied. You sure would fail badly as a bible translator. Go back slowly over what I have written; carefully answer any need for corrections. Now in your dubious mind, it appears that will take you about as long as reading news headlines one morning, far more important than a tom cruise marriage breakup. We prefer to talk of taking living water for the downtrodden with thirsty and hungry souls. Come and join us, sometimes we meet Fr bobs volunteers late at night, you could get to meet him.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Apr 25, 2014 11:58:17 GMT -5
thanks, Gene!
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 25, 2014 13:10:37 GMT -5
I'm told the only hogwash in the Bible is the day a buncha demons got a good baptism. Dubious ~ Well, if Legion wasn't so infected with them when Jesus cast the demons out, they might have been spared their lives? No wonder they kept Legion chained! And good enough for Gentiles to eat, also.
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Post by Gene on Apr 25, 2014 14:23:57 GMT -5
It's tough for me to read all caps and no spaces also. However, I don't think that is correlated to the fact that I worship William Irvine. Stand united against capital punishment!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 25, 2014 16:56:06 GMT -5
Magpie, all caps "bothers" me too. It's not just that all caps looks like your shouting at me, it's hard to read. I just don't bother to read posts like that. Magpie, It isn't that it is like "shouting" so much as that it is unreadable when it is all capitals & run together.
I just don't bother reading it because t is so difficult. I'm sure there are many others who don't read it for the same reason.
So if one wants to get their message out to people they should make it more accessible.
Otherwise, they are really wasting their time.
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