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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2014 6:55:18 GMT -5
I can NEVER became a atheist.It would be ignorant of me not to believe in God because I cannot understand everything.The brain is one of the multitude of things that make it impossible for it just to have simply fallen or have been banged in to place. We have all received a brain that can REASON so therefore there will be NO excuse when we take our last breath in to our amazing lungs. ---------------- Mankind has reasoned many gods into existence. The scientific method and critical thinking skills improves our reasoning. Pick your one true god here www.godfinder.org from a list of 3,700 but when you do many of the 3,699 other gods will call you an atheist. www.godchecker.com----------- "But I feel with my limited understanding that creation would have been much better of WITHOUT MAN. " See picture
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Post by rational on Apr 17, 2014 7:15:23 GMT -5
I can NEVER became a atheist. It is good to stand firm in your belief.Not being able to understand everything dos not necessitate a belief in god. Saying "I don't know but I am interested in learning about it is as valid a solution as saying you don't know so let's just say god did it.If you were to study the current theories regarding evolution, the data that supports the theory, and, in this case, the development of the central nervous in various organisms you would discover the brain did not just 'bang into place' but went through millions of years of change to get to where it is now and then look at what the future might hold for that same developmental path.No excuse for taking that last breath? Or for existing at all?Well, out of the billions of years since the formation of earth man has been involved for less than one million so during the evolution og the earth and its conditions man was not around to mess it up! But, like the dinosaurs, man may simply flourish for a short time, be gone, and then you will get your wish!
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Post by rational on Apr 17, 2014 7:23:29 GMT -5
I will let you answer your own sophomoric questions. This is a question for you to own. You are the one who will not consider whether anything might be fundamental to our private conceptions of existence. You are the one who disputes whether anything might be fundamental to existence. No, you are the one making the claim so I will leave it up to you to provide something to verify your claim.Oh, I don't think there is time to go into the reason why Hitler was unable to come out a victor in the war but there were simply too many mistakes made and the opposing forces had too many resources. You are right though, he did embrace christianity and used it as much as he could to gain support and support his views. It does. Sin is a transgression against the will of god. Eliminate god and sin is gone. No, not an anti-theist. I simply stated what you believe. Sin is in the theist's back-pack. You put it there, not me.
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Post by rational on Apr 17, 2014 7:33:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the URLs. I am looking forward to GODCHECKER-2, the Holy Update!
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2014 8:26:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the URLs. I am looking forward to GODCHECKER-2, the Holy Update! ------- It's hard to keep track of them all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions says; "According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world." (# of gods) x (# of religions) x (# of sects) = a large and growing number! I was surprised that in the bible, god claims there are other gods, yet all are less powerful. Who then made the lesser gods, god or man? If man then it's reasonable. If god then for what reason? youtu.be/dGKb1YpGMjQ
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2014 8:39:55 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2014 12:24:01 GMT -5
I can NEVER became a atheist.It would be ignorant of me not to believe in God because I cannot understand everything.The brain is one of the multitude of things that make it impossible for it just to have simply fallen or have been banged in to place. We have all received a brain that can REASON so therefore there will be NO excuse when we take our last breath in to our amazing lungs.But I feel with my limited understanding that creation would have been much better of WITHOUT MAN. I have no problem believing what science tells us about how our current universe was born, nor how we evolved to our current state. I would never give credit for any of this to the Christian God though. An intelligent entity, possibly, but the Christian God, not a chance.
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Post by snow on Apr 17, 2014 12:27:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the URLs. I am looking forward to GODCHECKER-2, the Holy Update! ------- It's hard to keep track of them all. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions says; "According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world." (# of gods) x (# of religions) x (# of sects) = a large and growing number! I was surprised that in the bible, god claims there are other gods, yet all are less powerful. Who then made the lesser gods, god or man? If man then it's reasonable. If god then for what reason? youtu.be/dGKb1YpGMjQWhich just proves that everyone is an atheist.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2014 16:16:44 GMT -5
I can NEVER became a atheist. It would be ignorant of me not to believe in God because I cannot understand everything. The brain is one of the multitude of things that make it impossible for it just to have simply fallen or have been banged in to place. We have all received a brain that can REASON so therefore there will be NO excuse when we take our last breath in to our amazing lungs.But I feel with my limited understanding that creation would have been much better of WITHOUT MAN.
It isn't ignorant to NOT to believe in God.
What a theist is doing is asking me, an atheist, to believe in some supernatural being for which there isn't any proof what so ever!
Of course it should be that particular supernatural being which the theist believes exists, the one that they think I should believe and not a different one!
The brain didn't simply "fall" or was "banged" into place!
Right now on PBS, a program called "Your Inner Fish" explains how we evolved (including how our brain evolved ) from the the reptile brain to what we have now.
It is amazing but not impossible to see how the human brain developed!
So, it is a good idea to "never say never and and never say always!"
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Post by xna on Apr 17, 2014 16:53:32 GMT -5
He'd had it with the sh-heads on here who don't believe in God. I mean if you don't believe in God and you ain't gonna be resurrected, what the hell good are ya? That reminds me, I never heard anyone speak on this verse Malachi 2:3 (KJV) "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it."
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 17, 2014 17:02:59 GMT -5
Why is it that when someone has something good happen in their life they say "God is so good!" but they don't even consider that all the things they don't like would then have to be God's doing too. Here is a current example from my sister. She was in the process of adopting a baby girl about 20 years ago, but after having her for 10 days the mother changed her mind and took the baby back. This caused my sister so much sadness and pain at the time and she talked about it for years later as such a hard thing to have to go through. The other day she got a letter from the mother of this baby (who is now 20) and the girl would like to meet my sister and get to know her. Now my sister is raving and so happy that God has brought this girl back into her life and how good God is because she was just taking about this baby the other day etc. Now everyone is so thrilled that God is doing this for her. What they don't even grasp as a concept is that God was also the one who took the child away in the first place. That is if God is in control and it seems he is if he had the power to bring the girl 'back' into her life. Why don't people see the break down in logic here. I suppose they see God as the author of all good things that happen to them and Satan as the author of all the bad things while God allows it to happen for some later higher purpose that will work out for the better in the end. It's perfectly logical. People find comfort in it in good times and bad. Your answer is the usual one that Christians use all the time in an attempt to try & reconcile their unfounded belief with reality!
If they would just realize that the idea of "God as the author of all good things that happen" is created by them within their own minds, also that the idea of "Satan as the author of all the bad things" was created by them,-- it wouldn't be logical!
It is only because they believe their own creation that it sounds logical to you!
It is just another of the platitudes Christians use all the time.
Oft repeated, it becomes tiresome.
There is no substance behind it at all, -just trite, stale remarks that we hear over & over again and is nothing more than chaff. How can people find comfort in that?
How can such unbelievable chaff be of any sustenance?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 19:36:01 GMT -5
I suppose they see God as the author of all good things that happen to them and Satan as the author of all the bad things while God allows it to happen for some later higher purpose that will work out for the better in the end. It's perfectly logical. People find comfort in it in good times and bad. Your answer is the usual one that Christians use all the time in an attempt to try & reconcile their unfounded belief with reality!
If they would just realize that the idea of "God as the author of all good things that happen" is created by them within their own minds, also that the idea of "Satan as the author of all the bad things" was created by them,-- it wouldn't be logical!
It is only because they believe their own creation that it sounds logical to you!
It is just another of the platitudes Christians use all the time.
Oft repeated, it becomes tiresome.
There is no substance behind it at all, -just trite, stale remarks that we hear over & over again and is nothing more than chaff. How can people find comfort in that?
How can such unbelievable chaff be of any sustenance?
It's only chaff to those who have no faith in God. To those who believe in God, there is a lot of comfort there.
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Post by rational on Apr 17, 2014 21:25:03 GMT -5
He'd had it with the sh-heads on here who don't believe in God. I mean if you don't believe in God and you ain't gonna be resurrected, what the hell good are ya? That reminds me, I never heard anyone speak on this verse Malachi 2:3 (KJV) "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." That was the early longer version of the dung hitting the fan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 22:08:37 GMT -5
He'd had it with the sh-heads on here who don't believe in God. I mean if you don't believe in God and you ain't gonna be resurrected, what the hell good are ya? That reminds me, I never heard anyone speak on this verse Malachi 2:3 (KJV) "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." that was a curse from God for not giving glory to his name...give thanks that we live in the new testament times where God no longer curses people directly
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2014 1:56:16 GMT -5
[quote author=" Lee" source="/post/578889/thread" timestamp="1395114565" Few of us live out our ideological idealizations but I'm one of them. I'm not against atheists for what they believe in but what they don't.[/quote]
I must say, lee,- there certainly is one thing that no one can ever accuse you of!
That is your lack of unmitigated, enduring, absolute, undying, everlasting, hubris about yourself!
Just so you know the meaning of hubris, it is a great or foolish amount of pride or confidence; an exaggerated pride or self-confidence.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2014 2:15:56 GMT -5
He'd had it with the sh-heads on here who don't believe in God. I mean if you don't believe in God and you ain't gonna be resurrected, what the hell good are ya? I sometimes wonder the same about you, "what the hell good are ya?"
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Post by xna on Apr 18, 2014 6:46:31 GMT -5
He'd had it with the sh-heads on here who don't believe in God. I mean if you don't believe in God and you ain't gonna be resurrected, what the hell good are ya? I sometimes wonder the same about you, "what the hell good are ya?" I post some quotes; makes some laugh - others not so much...
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2014 7:01:16 GMT -5
He'd had it with the sh-heads on here who don't believe in God. I mean if you don't believe in God and you ain't gonna be resurrected, what the hell good are ya? I sometimes wonder the same about you, "what the hell good are ya?" :D No one is a complete failure. They can always serve as a bad example.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 9:24:19 GMT -5
Your answer is the usual one that Christians use all the time in an attempt to try & reconcile their unfounded belief with reality!
If they would just realize that the idea of "God as the author of all good things that happen" is created by them within their own minds, also that the idea of "Satan as the author of all the bad things" was created by them,-- it wouldn't be logical!
It is only because they believe their own creation that it sounds logical to you!
It is just another of the platitudes Christians use all the time.
Oft repeated, it becomes tiresome.
There is no substance behind it at all, -just trite, stale remarks that we hear over & over again and is nothing more than chaff. How can people find comfort in that?
How can such unbelievable chaff be of any sustenance?
It's only chaff to those who have no faith in God. To those who believe in God, there is a lot of comfort there. i dont get get any comfort at all that God allowed my friends two little girls be interfered with by a worker so what is the good that came out of it. It doesn't take a genius to work out there is no good side to this and they are atheist now. So who's the chaff not the two little victims. There is no plan it was just evil and how can they have faith in nothing - there was nothing there to save them! I believe in a loving God and a God of compassion I need to see it especially with the vulnerable He is all seeing how can you see and not intervene and help. It goes against everything in me to allow these things to happen intentionally. So how do these platitudes give comfort to victims. It's alright it is all in Gods plan He is watching that's comforting - they just weren't worth saving then? I wonder??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 9:40:34 GMT -5
It's only chaff to those who have no faith in God. To those who believe in God, there is a lot of comfort there. If you believe in a "loving God and a God of compassion" who is all seeing but yet does not intervene in those cases, then how can you believe in God at all? You are grappling with a question that some of the greatest theologians haven't been able to properly answer. Perhaps you may need to review your concept of God in order to make sense of such a terrible tragedy. The most common traditionalist Christian view would be the belief that something good will eventually come out of that experience for those girls and that the perpetrator will eventually go to hell for his unrepented offence. The traditionalist would find comfort in the hope for both of those things happening.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2014 17:09:10 GMT -5
<abbr data-timestamp="1397832034000" class="time" title="Apr 18, 2014 9:40:34 GMT -5">Apr 18, 2014 9:40:34 GMT -5</abbr> Clearday said: If you believe in a "loving God and a God of compassion" who is all seeing but yet does not intervene in those cases, then how can you believe in God at all? You are grappling with a question that some of the greatest theologians haven't been able to properly answer. Perhaps you may need to review your concept of God in order to make sense of such a terrible tragedy. The most common traditionalist Christian view would be the belief that something good will eventually come out of that experience for those girls and that the perpetrator will eventually go to hell for his unrepented offence. The traditionalist would find comfort in the hope for both of those things happening.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:08:47 GMT -5
I can NEVER became a atheist. It would be ignorant of me not to believe in God because I cannot understand everything. The brain is one of the multitude of things that make it impossible for it just to have simply fallen or have been banged in to place. We have all received a brain that can REASON so therefore there will be NO excuse when we take our last breath in to our amazing lungs.But I feel with my limited understanding that creation would have been much better of WITHOUT MAN.
It isn't ignorant to NOT to believe in God.
What a theist is doing is asking me, an atheist, to believe in some supernatural being for which there isn't any proof what so ever!
Of course it should be that particular supernatural being which the theist believes exists, the one that they think I should believe and not a different one!
The brain didn't simply "fall" or was "banged" into place!
Right now on PBS, a program called "Your Inner Fish" explains how we evolved (including how our brain evolved ) from the the reptile brain to what we have now.
It is amazing but not impossible to see how the human brain developed!
So, it is a good idea to "never say never and and never say always!"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:13:57 GMT -5
For me it is ignorant due to all the EVIDENCE daily and nightly around me.The brain or any other living thing for that matter could NEVER have existed without intelligence behind it.Nothing so complicated can simply evolve into it's complexity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:16:17 GMT -5
I can NEVER became a atheist. It is good to stand firm in your belief.Not being able to understand everything dos not necessitate a belief in god. Saying "I don't know but I am interested in learning about it is as valid a solution as saying you don't know so let's just say god did it.If you were to study the current theories regarding evolution, the data that supports the theory, and, in this case, the development of the central nervous in various organisms you would discover the brain did not just 'bang into place' but went through millions of years of change to get to where it is now and then look at what the future might hold for that same developmental path.No excuse for taking that last breath? Or for existing at all?Well, out of the billions of years since the formation of earth man has been involved for less than one million so during the evolution og the earth and its conditions man was not around to mess it up! But, like the dinosaurs, man may simply flourish for a short time, be gone, and then you will get your wish!
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Post by matisse on Apr 18, 2014 18:24:29 GMT -5
For me it is ignorant due to all the EVIDENCE daily and nightly around me.The brain or any other living thing for that matter could NEVER have existed without intelligence behind it.Nothing so complicated can simply evolve into it's complexity. Not in a few thousand years. Can you wrap your head around millions of years? Billions of years? My only shot at conceptualizing billions of years is that it is apparently enough time for the world as we know it to evolve - one sustainable small leap at a time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:36:14 GMT -5
That view, "that something good will eventually come out of that experience for those girls and that the perpetrator will eventually go to hell for his unrepented offense," is what is so repugnant to me and so ridiculous! It shows nothing more than an attempt to try and rationalize a situation solely because you want to believe in a superior being that is charge of what happens to people. It shows nothing but smoke and mirrors, for no other reason than you need to believe in god. Your premise of the eventual outcome helps neither the girls nor the perpetrator in this life and what good will it do in some far off supposed "after life?"! Christians have to twist themselves into a such a knot in an attempt to maintain their belief in a "loving God and a God of compassion." You are tilting at the wrong windmill today. Those aren't my views at all. It came from my post that started with "I suppose they see God......" that was an attempt to understand how people find comfort in their belief in God. Whatever, carry on.......at least I made an attempt to understand people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:37:52 GMT -5
I do understand there is a God by the evidence all around me ,there is other things that I don't understand because I am not God and would have done things different in my limited human understanding.
Even with trillion of years of evolution of the brain ,it could not have existed without intelligence behind it nor could any other living thing for that matter.Take all of the human inventions and none has just came about without intelligence behind it ,how could you then ever say such a thing about much more complex living things as humans,animals and plants?
There will be NO excuse for not believing in God because we can reason and the evidence of His existence is as clear as the dawns early ray's.
Scientist only have theories but no concrete prove.What about the apes that are still around why aren't they evolving into humans ? Yes I know the scientist conveniently say's it takes millions of years but surely we should see some changes in the apes and what about the evolving human been ,we have a need to fly so why aren't we evolving some wings ?I was just concentrating on how conveniently I have 10 fingers witch makes my live so much easier then having one or two fingers.And I know what the scientist say ,with there theory I for-sure know they are crazy ,very nutty indeed.So why don't the other animals evolve some fingers to help them along like the ape!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 18:39:28 GMT -5
For me it is ignorant due to all the EVIDENCE daily and nightly around me.The brain or any other living thing for that matter could NEVER have existed without intelligence behind it.Nothing so complicated can simply evolve into it's complexity. Not in a few thousand years. Can you wrap your head around millions of years? Billions of years? My only shot at conceptualizing billions of years is that it is apparently enough time for the world as we know it to evolve - one sustainable small leap at a time.
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