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Post by ScholarGal on Feb 3, 2014 11:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 13:14:23 GMT -5
Alistair Begg has an annual conference for pastors to help keep them encouraged. Not that our workers would attend, but they could use help along these lines, especially given their lifestyle.
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Post by faune on Feb 3, 2014 13:31:50 GMT -5
ScholarGal ~ I would suspect that workers would experience burn-out quite easily due to repeating the same old party line in every sermon centered around the homeless ministry and the meeting in the home? After a short while, I'm sure they would feel like some "broken record" and become bored and disenchanted with their mission to evangelize people to believe the same as they do? However, in the "worldly churches" outside the Way, Jesus Christ is the center focus and not some method of preaching or meetings in the home. Like myself, I'm sure a lot of the members who left the fellowship felt the same way upon their exodus and had little to do with the history of William Irvine as a founder. Covering up the truth about something only makes things worst when everything comes to light, IMHO?
Also, your article also presents some good ways of avoiding burn-out personally within homes due to adding some variety as the "spice of life" to your routine.
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Post by faune on Feb 3, 2014 13:36:32 GMT -5
Alistair Begg has an annual conference for pastors to help keep them encouraged. Not that our workers would attend, but they could use help along these lines, especially given their lifestyle. Hberry ~ Alistair Begg is quite an interesting man to listen to as well. I've enjoyed his radio sermons, Truth for Life, in the past and find him to be very enlightened and an excellent Bible teacher. The workers could definitely learn a lot from this pastor and also be inspired! He's based in southern California, I believe? www.truthforlife.org/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 14:54:30 GMT -5
Alistair Begg has an annual conference for pastors to help keep them encouraged. Not that our workers would attend, but they could use help along these lines, especially given their lifestyle. Hberry ~ Alistair Begg is quite an interesting man to listen to as well. I've enjoyed his radio sermons, Truth for Life, in the past and find him to be very enlightened and an excellent Bible teacher. The workers could definitely learn a lot from this pastor and also be inspired! He's based in southern California, I believe? www.truthforlife.org/ Oh I wish he were in SoCa! No, he's in Cleveland, Ohio, unfortunately.
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Post by gecko45 on Feb 3, 2014 15:40:05 GMT -5
Had a quick look at the article. Some really practical advice, but because it is likely influenced (if not written) by a "false prophet" it would fly like a lead balloon amoung the workers with authority.
Thats the problem with the claim of being the sole representation of God here on earth, the friends miss out on a lot of professional and practical help. For many years counselling and psychiatric help was discouraged. In my time it was grudgingly accepted as being of some help but the caveat was given that "prayer was the greatest help".
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Post by emy on Feb 3, 2014 21:32:46 GMT -5
Read the list and it's my opinion that many workers access many or all of these. Maybe not in the ways suggested but in their own ways.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Feb 5, 2014 18:29:12 GMT -5
Read the list and it's my opinion that many workers access many or all of these. Maybe not in the ways suggested but in their own ways. I'll take time to read it over later, but I feel that Emy has a point, in that workers do attempt to deal with "burn-out" in their own ways, and that overseers (at least Eldon and Howard, and I know others too) did address the concern, encouraging their staffs to take time with family and doing activities that were relaxing for them. They would tell us - in workers' meetings - that being a worker is not just a matter of being constantly "spiritual" (whatever that is!), and that we did need to use some time in other ways. Again, I need to read the article first before commenting specifically.
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Post by Gene on Feb 5, 2014 18:46:40 GMT -5
Read the list and it's my opinion that many workers access many or all of these. Maybe not in the ways suggested but in their own ways. I'll take time to read it over later, but I feel that Emy has a point, in that workers do attempt to deal with "burn-out" in their own ways, and that overseers (at least Eldon and Howard, and I know others too) did address the concern, encouraging their staffs to take time with family and doing activities that were relaxing for them. They would tell us - in workers' meetings - that being a worker is not just a matter of being constantly "spiritual" (whatever that is!), and that we did need to use some time in other ways. Again, I need to read the article first before commenting specifically. I think that may have been more of a Western thing. We used to hear, with envy, of the worker breaks that were granted at the end of the convention season. One year my family planned a special gathering for the holidays. I asked for permission to join them (which would have involved travel of about 300 miles) and Leslie White responded that when we go in the work, we leave family behind, and the answer was "no." Of course, his mother joined us in Iowa for preps and convention, but that's different.
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Feb 5, 2014 19:31:27 GMT -5
I'll take time to read it over later, but I feel that Emy has a point, in that workers do attempt to deal with "burn-out" in their own ways, and that overseers (at least Eldon and Howard, and I know others too) did address the concern, encouraging their staffs to take time with family and doing activities that were relaxing for them. They would tell us - in workers' meetings - that being a worker is not just a matter of being constantly "spiritual" (whatever that is!), and that we did need to use some time in other ways. Again, I need to read the article first before commenting specifically. I think that may have been more of a Western thing. We used to hear, with envy, of the worker breaks that were granted at the end of the convention season. One year my family planned a special gathering for the holidays. I asked for permission to join them (which would have involved travel of about 300 miles) and Leslie White responded that when we go in the work, we leave family behind, and the answer was "no." Of course, his mother joined us in Iowa for preps and convention, but that's different. Thanks for the input, Gene. That is interesting. We had our issues in the West too, obviously, but I am glad that our overseers encouraged us to pay attention to family and personal well-being.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 19:36:11 GMT -5
When my brother went in the work my parents were told by Andrew A. that they were not to bother him about issues at home. My mother always brought this up when she heard of someone going home to take care of their parents. Maybe it was just the East way of dealing with things.
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Post by gecko45 on Feb 6, 2014 12:27:33 GMT -5
I am not familiar with the East policy, but from what I heard it did sound like the West did have more leniency towards what could be done and how much "free time" and being with family was avaliable.
Of course being with family is not relaxing for all people, I know some workers who were more drained after being with family than before their "break". Not just those with unprofessing family either.
These days it seems for workers) that time with family over the Christmas and News Years break as well as a bit of time after conventions is normal but to do a trip out of state is frowned upon. People travel a lot more these days, the average families no longer just stay home or go to a lake cottage for a week of summer vacation. Trips to Disneyland or Mexico, a week on a cruise ship, etc. These are more accurate examples of what families often do when they get together. When younger workers are "encouraged" not to join these outings it is only natural that they feel the sacrifice a bit more sharply.
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Post by Mary on Feb 7, 2014 4:03:01 GMT -5
There is no comparison between the life of a pastor and that of a worker. Many pastors spend hours counselling people, the workers do not. The workers go to people's houses to get fed and have a social visit. Pastors hardly get that luxury.
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Post by Gene on Feb 7, 2014 6:32:31 GMT -5
There is no comparison between the life of a pastor and that of a worker. Many pastors spend hours counselling people, the workers do not. The workers go to people's houses to get fed and have a social visit. Pastors hardly get that luxury. And the flip side is that pastors have a house to go home to at the end of the day, and a wife or husband, and children if they wish. Workers hardly get that luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:38:42 GMT -5
There is no comparison between the life of a pastor and that of a worker. Many pastors spend hours counselling people, the workers do not. The workers go to people's houses to get fed and have a social visit. Pastors hardly get that luxury. And the flip side is that pastors have a house to go home to at the end of the day, and a wife or husband, and children if they wish. Workers hardly get that luxury. Whichever form of ministry one participates in, I think all involved in pastoral care would say the calling is not easy.
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Post by faune on Feb 7, 2014 12:02:19 GMT -5
Hberry ~ Alistair Begg is quite an interesting man to listen to as well. I've enjoyed his radio sermons, Truth for Life, in the past and find him to be very enlightened and an excellent Bible teacher. The workers could definitely learn a lot from this pastor and also be inspired! He's based in southern California, I believe? Oh I wish he were in SoCa! No, he's in Cleveland, Ohio, unfortunately. Hberry ~ You're so right. I believe I confused him with Chuck Smith, former pastor of Calvary Chapel, who is now deceased. I used to listen to him in the past along with Alistair Begg ~ who I still enjoy occasionally on Christian radio. I enjoy pastors who do expository and in-depth teaching form the Bible ~ you can learn so much from their studies. One of my favorites is Chuck Swindoll out of Texas for his expository style of preaching. He's also a great Bible teacher! I would rate him up there with Alistair Begg for his ability to teach and inspire at the same time! Just check out his broadcast library below for a sampling.
www.insight.org/ (Chuck Swindoll)
www.insight.org/broadcast/library.html (Chuck Swindoll)
www.truthforlife.org/ (Alistair Begg)
www.twft.com/ (Chuck Smith)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Smith_(pastor)
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