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Post by Bert on Jul 14, 2006 8:05:51 GMT -5
Hi Caithleen - I am Bert, Prue's sidekick. I wasn't being nasty, please don't take it that way. Where are you from? I am from NSW in drought stricken Australia. It is 11 o'clock here and I thought to quickly check out the bulletin board before going to bed. Cheers.
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Post by contented on Jul 14, 2006 9:07:01 GMT -5
So, Ilylo, assuming that you are a christian, you would be quite content to come to my church, in a home? I'm guessing that you probably wouldn't, which is fine, you would rather go to the church that you are with, or if you're not, then you would probably rather not go at all. So, based on this theory, how is what I said proof of what we believe? ? I certainly don't put my faith in the "church". My faith is in the Lord, and him alone. I wrote: But why would you want to go to another church service, in another place, regardless of what religion you are, if you are content with the beliefs that you hold??? Maybe that is why professing people do not go to other churches. Ilylo responded: "There it is in a nutshell... 2x2s base their belief/faith in their church." If I was catholic, I wouldn't go to a Muslim church. Why would I ? I would not see the need. I don't think that you read my post right, maybe?
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Post by ClayRandall on Jul 14, 2006 12:58:24 GMT -5
Where I live, convention grounds are not built. They are owned by members, who give other members the use of it for a few days. And the poster said that conventions should be held in homes as well - well, you need to be practical. Hundreds of people attend. Which was exactly my point. Hundreds of people attend my church every week. Why not just admit that church buildings (or convention grounds) are a matter of practicality, not divine mandate? Secondly: regarding singing. What is better then listening and joining in with singing songs to the Lord? Who cares if it is a little flat, or a little sharp, or slow or whatever. As long as there is singing. But our singing is beautiful. We have four parts going, and it just sounds absolutely beautiful. Granted, there is the odd person who can't sing, and feels the need to sing loudly , but agin, at least they are singing. St. Francis once said that to sing once is to pray twice. It is a great thing to raise your voice in song to praise God no matter if it's a cappella music in a small Sunday morning meeting, or a large choir with an organ. Additionally, it shouldn't matter if it is live music, or recorded. Bread and wine - that is completely different from church buildings, to the person who said they were "sick of the inconsitancy of the two by two's. They condem church buildings, but the emblems are fine." (Or something to that effect.) If you can't understand the difference between the two, then that's your problem, not mine. The only problem I see here is with your reading comprehension. I didn't say that I'm "sick of" anything. I said I dislike inconsistency. Such inconsistency comes from condemning buildings used for worship while at the same time using buildings for worship, or dismissing something as mere symbols while at the same time using symbols. It demonstrates that the distinctions made are arbitrary and useless.
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Post by ClayRandall on Jul 14, 2006 13:03:23 GMT -5
hi clay from prue - you wrote about what happens when a congregation get too big we must rent out schools and such - i am not sure about that - if we have a church too large for one home we use two homes remember the thousands who were obedient to the faith in the book of acts - they had plenty of open homes kind regard prue Whether you're sure about what I'm saying is irrelevant. I'm telling you that I spent 18 years going to Union Meetings, Gospel Meetings, and Special Meetings in public library buildings, funeral homes, school gymnasiums, office buildings, and others.
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Post by ilylo on Jul 14, 2006 13:06:39 GMT -5
I take it that you have not worshipped outside of meetings (ie, in another church).
My point is that in 2x2ism, worship is equated to attending meetings, and if one is to attend another church then they are not worshipping but "observing."
As an aside example, I rarely see 2x2s bow their heads and close their eyes when a non-2x2 minister offers a public prayer. They just stand there with their eyes open waiting... waiting... waiting... "observing."
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Post by ClayRandall on Jul 14, 2006 13:17:14 GMT -5
Clay. Jesus gave us two symbols only - baptism and the eucharist, as you call it. All other symbols were done away with after the crucifiction. What in the world are you talking about? Jesus used symbols all the time, and nowhere in Scripture are "all symbols done away with after the crucifixion".
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Post by mrtindrucvionging on Jul 14, 2006 14:49:43 GMT -5
I take it that you have not worshipped outside of meetings (ie, in another church). My point is that in 2x2ism, worship is equated to attending meetings, and if one is to attend another church then they are not worshipping but "observing." As an aside example, I rarely see 2x2s bow their heads and close their eyes when a non-2x2 minister offers a public prayer. They just stand there with their eyes open waiting... waiting... waiting... "observing."I am a fairly stout pro fessing person and I worship God in my mind ALL THE TIME, AND EVERYWHERE. You C, first of all, I start by putting one foot right directly in front of the other and I get onto this path of sorts and then one foot, two foot three foot, four foot here we go and be fore you know it , I am walking in this cetain 'PATH', desiring it to be of the same path our Saviour trod, and in order to do that I worship in side of my ind and heart constantly and forever with God in LOV e AND grace fullness and graciously and graciousness, keepin in the good graces on God and no man; because it's the personal relationship with God that is all that matters, not how I worship in buildings and such by that I do worship Him inside of my mind and outside of my body. It all works out that way for there not to be too much fuss on buildings and church mortgages and such because that could take away from the worship inside the heart which is where it all starts and ends, anyways. ..... ....... ;;;
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Post by Loula on Jul 15, 2006 8:30:50 GMT -5
Clay said [bI spent 18 years going to Union Meetings, Gospel Meetings, and Special Meetings in public library buildings, funeral homes, school gymnasiums, office buildings, and others. [/b]
We have a home fellowship service. The Gospel is open to all, and usually held in a public building.
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