lisa
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Post by lisa on Jul 10, 2006 14:51:24 GMT -5
well well, some colours being hoisted here I think.
Miss J: I did not discount the experience of others, merely stated my own. But it seems you'd like to discount mine??
If I'm a "retard" then I'm a surviving retard. Ive lived longer than many.
Do I feel "cool" by using a phrase like I did ? No. Did you feel cool by criticising it?
Youy claim that the "only way" stuff is a basic doctrine. On what basis do you say that?
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Post by an ex on Jul 10, 2006 15:42:49 GMT -5
Lisa, thank you for your honest posts. There is nothing in your post that should have provoked the response you got. For someone elderly you keep up with the times, i.e. shifting the goal post expression. However, you have shifted the goal post in your own thinking as to be honest most in meetings do not think like you. Some do, and this has been happening slowly over the last few years. You obviously have an open mind just being on here at your age. You know people here have shared their experience of how they spoke about believing others outside of meetings were saved and the workers quickly and severely disciplined them and encouraged them to leave.
You ask on what basis do others say that the only way stuff is basic doctrine. We claim it through years of sitting in meetings. If you are questioning the word doctrine then doctrine is what is taught. It is one of the basic doctrines but there are a number such as the meeting in the home, the workers style of ministry and all others are wrong adn this is the only way, is at the top there too.
Don't let the posters get you down. Great having you on here.
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Post by griffith on Jul 10, 2006 19:45:43 GMT -5
Just a thought: I believe that the F&W would be less appealing in the poorer communities because (this is just my opinion) the good news about Christ is portrayed in a more subtle way than it is in mainstream Evangelical Christian Churches.
Maybe this is why you will see a more festive atmosphere in many of the black churches. I think people that have had less opportunity and are less fortunate feel the need for grace more than the works for their salvation. Does this make sense?
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Post by QN9FFQR on Jul 10, 2006 20:05:48 GMT -5
And I think I speak from more years of experience than anyone else here.
According to Lisa, we should agree with her because she has more experience than anyone else. Maybe we should all agree with what very old workers teach then, too? By the tone of your posts I don't believe you are as old as you claim. I think you're like many of the other 2x2s who come here and make up stories and lie and deceive to protect their beliefs >> whatever it takes defend the system.
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Post by Simple on Jul 10, 2006 20:36:14 GMT -5
Just a thought: I believe that the F&W would be less appealing in the poorer communities because (this is just my opinion) the good news about Christ is portrayed in a more subtle way than it is in mainstream Evangelical Christian Churches. Maybe this is why you will see a more festive atmosphere in many of the black churches. I think people that have had less opportunity and are less fortunate feel the need for grace more than the works for their salvation. Does this make sense? Sure it does God can squeeze a camel through the eye of a needle, he knows it takes all kinds of servants, and uses them as he chooses, but the Truth "should" humble us "all" equally. After all, we all killed Jesus together didn't we? Does that make since?
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Post by griffith on Jul 11, 2006 1:10:27 GMT -5
Yes it does thank you for your input “Simple”
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Post by pegasus on Jul 11, 2006 8:59:45 GMT -5
Well, is there anything wrong with that? They must love themselves just as much as the poor according to commandment of Jesus. So they can also decide to offer f.ex. 3 or 6 poor 2x2 or catholics - you name it - a cruise in Carribean or whatever if they want to. ;D
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Post by Jessi on Jul 11, 2006 17:35:35 GMT -5
Why is it that Jesus says it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven (Matt 19:24)?
And why did the rich man go to hell in Luke 16:20-31?
It seems that rich people have much of what they need, so total reliance upon God for everything could be a little difficult to experience or learn. Just like people in third world countries compared to the US. And places like China where Christians are truly abused for the Name. They have learned to rely on God in ways many of us may never know. Suffering strengthens faith and reliance upon God like nothing else will (Heb 2:10).
I believe Matt 19 explains this is verse 22 when it says why the young man went away sorrowful: For he had many possessions.
He could not part with his things. That's what separated him from God--His love for his things.
Christ's, Jessi
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Post by Wondering on Jul 11, 2006 21:27:52 GMT -5
Just a thought: I believe that the F&W would be less appealing in the poorer communities because (this is just my opinion) the good news about Christ is portrayed in a more subtle way than it is in mainstream Evangelical Christian Churches. Maybe this is why you will see a more festive atmosphere in many of the black churches. I think people that have had less opportunity and are less fortunate feel the need for grace more than the works for their salvation. Does this make sense?
No.. doesn't make sense at all.
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Post by griffith on Jul 12, 2006 14:29:33 GMT -5
Just a thought: I believe that the F&W would be less appealing in the poorer communities because (this is just my opinion) the good news about Christ is portrayed in a more subtle way than it is in mainstream Evangelical Christian Churches. Maybe this is why you will see a more festive atmosphere in many of the black churches. I think people that have had less opportunity and are less fortunate feel the need for grace more than the works for their salvation. Does this make sense?
Wondering, can you elaborate a little more why you believe this thought or theory does not make any sense?
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