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Post by shushy on Aug 24, 2013 9:03:25 GMT -5
How do you understand or internalise the Kingdom of God in your life? When you read scriptures stating the Kingdom of God is within you what do you think it means? How do you express that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 12:38:16 GMT -5
Hello dear friend in the Lord's kingdom with us all who believe! Appreciate the depth of your question in a place I perceive as one of mostly shallowness. For me, the answer is very simple, very basic. The Holy Spirit does HIS work largely within each person, making them one, leading all to one belief, one trust in the Lord, making all part to a more or lesser extent of one great Kingdom of God, thus all within each one of us.
Not doing well enough to handle public posting and responses of those with little desire to even consider, much less respect opinions held in my mind. Wishing you His very best,
Dennis
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 24, 2013 14:21:50 GMT -5
How do you understand or internalise the Kingdom of God in your life? When you read scriptures stating the Kingdom of God is within you what do you think it means? How do you express that? In addition to the way Dennis perceives this, (which I understand to be an individual guidance and growth), here is how I perceive day-to-day internalizing the Kingdom of God.
I see the world as though I am IN the Kingdom of God already, with a window looking outward. This being so because God/Jesus dwells in me, I am part of the "lively stones"/the temple God dwells in since Christ's death put away the priesthood of the Old Covenant.
We are in the phase of the Kingdom that is turbulent and in tribulation as the Holy Scriptures tell us it would be prior to Christ coming to rule and reign in His Kingdom on the earth. As I watch the news of nations, of weather, of social problems in the world....including the degradation of humanity being called "good/acceptable", I see God. In the enemies of the Church and Christianity, I see God. I see God in this because He holds the power of judgment and correction over nations, individuals, and the Church (body of Christ). I see none of the major (and many minor) events in the world as being random, but as signposts that we've been told to look for.
Internalizing the Kingdom of God is not something we can accomplish, but God accomplishes this state of being. In doing so, we are continually in that state of "being in the Kingdom", we see the world from that place.
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Post by shushy on Aug 24, 2013 14:44:51 GMT -5
Hello dear friend in the Lord's kingdom with us all who believe! Appreciate the depth of your question in a place I perceive as one of mostly shallowness. For me, the answer is very simple, very basic. The Holy Spirit does HIS work largely within each person, making them one, leading all to one belief, one trust in the Lord, making all part to a more or lesser extent of one great Kingdom of God, thus all within each one of us.
Not doing well enough to handle public posting and responses of those with little desire to even consider, much less respect opinions held in my mind. Wishing you His very best,
Dennis
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Post by shushy on Aug 24, 2013 14:45:07 GMT -5
Hello there Dennis. Lovely to hear from you. Sorry to hear you have been unwell. Hang in there.
I always thought it this topic was about healing, laying on of hands and praying for deliverance. A person being a channel of his love work peace power.
The experiences of the last month for me have caused me to consider more deeply. I call it the oneness. Same thing as you describe just different wording. I'm going to throw something out there a theory if you like. Lets say a person does an act of goodness, goodness towards loving their neighbour. That person is doing a righteous act because goodness equals righteousness'. Which also means the act was performed in light that pierces the darkness spiritually. Where there is light there can be no darkness. Lets say that person was you/me/rational/snow and dimmichgood....doesn't matter who it was. The kingdom of heaven worked through them. The light pierced the darkness. The blessing came. The act of touching our energy to another with powerful goodness because it originated in the universe with inspired knowledge from one being to another via the oneness. One step further....Jesus metaphorically symbolises the sun. Stay with me Dennis. If any of those statements are truth, then can you see what I'm seeing?
I've always said Christianity has to work experientially for me and it does. I'm beginning to dislike the word Christian these days because so many wars and so much evil has been produced by so called Christians.
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Post by shushy on Aug 24, 2013 14:57:27 GMT -5
Hey Sylv, I found your post fascinating.Understood it. I might have used the wrong word-internalising. I meant to think deeply.
I left the local church 20yrs ago. My faith has been shaken but is far stronger now than ever before.
Ive discovered there is a body of believers who are out there touching where the local churchs dont reach.
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Post by faune on Aug 24, 2013 15:12:24 GMT -5
How do you understand or internalise the Kingdom of God in your life? When you read scriptures stating the Kingdom of God is within you what do you think it means? How do you express that? Shushy ~ That's an interesting question and perhaps this article will shed some light on this particular subject? For me, I believe it may be referring to the Holy Spirit, which is given to believers as a seal of their inheritance here on earth and in God's eternal Kingdom after this life? However, the Bible teaches that only those who have been born again of the Spirit, as described in John 3. This is where one gain a new nature due to a transformation within their spirit because of the Holy Spirit coming to reside within. www.letusreason.org/Biblexp47.htm However, Ecclesiastes 3:11 also gives the impression that there is an "eternal spark" within all mankind drawing them to seek out their Creator. Perhaps that's what you are referring to in your last post? www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%203%3A11&version=NIV;KJV;AMP www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203&version=NIV
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Post by selah on Aug 24, 2013 21:27:10 GMT -5
This is the third time I've tried to post a response to this thread. The previous attempts only served to close my connection. Well, here goes one last time.... I think of the Kingdom of God as another dimension of life. It's in me and surrounds me. I was made aware of it by the Spirit, and the more I am conscious of it, the more I sense a unity with God and every living thing. The primary expression of the Kingdom of God is love.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by quizzer on Aug 25, 2013 1:16:30 GMT -5
How do you understand or internalise the Kingdom of God in your life? When you read scriptures stating the Kingdom of God is within you what do you think it means? How do you express that? I believe what Christ said, that the Kingdom of God is at hand. It's with us, a choice we make in deciding how to live our lives. It's about learning that we are all children of God, trying to interact in healthy, positive ways with one another.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 25, 2013 18:59:04 GMT -5
This is the third time I've tried to post a response to this thread. The previous attempts only served to close my connection. Well, here goes one last time.... I think of the Kingdom of God as another dimension of life. It's in me and surrounds me. I was made aware of it by the Spirit, and the more I am conscious of it, the more I sense a unity with God and every living thing. The primary expression of the Kingdom of God is love. Blessings, Linda Linda I like the way you've explained this....much better than I did. I think what you said is the same as the "just being" I was trying to convey!
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Post by selah on Aug 25, 2013 20:48:56 GMT -5
I like what you said too Sylvestra.
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Post by shushy on Aug 26, 2013 8:24:42 GMT -5
How do you understand or internalise the Kingdom of God in your life? When you read scriptures stating the Kingdom of God is within you what do you think it means? How do you express that? Shushy ~ That's an interesting question and perhaps this article will shed some light on this particular subject? For me, I believe it may be referring to the Holy Spirit, which is given to believers as a seal of their inheritance here on earth and in God's eternal Kingdom after this life? However, the Bible teaches that only those who have been born again of the Spirit, as described in John 3. This is where one gain a new nature due to a transformation within their spirit because of the Holy Spirit coming to reside within. www.letusreason.org/Biblexp47.htm However, Ecclesiastes 3:11 also gives the impression that there is an "eternal spark" within all mankind drawing them to seek out their Creator. Perhaps that's what you are referring to in your last post? www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%203%3A11&version=NIV;KJV;AMP www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203&version=NIV
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Post by shushy on Aug 26, 2013 8:46:51 GMT -5
As we have grown spiritually over time, his kingdom/glory increasing in each soul, his will becoming manifested in our lives. Many yrs ago I strived with confessioning scripture over my life and postitive confession. Looking back the word was going forth and doing its work. Ive known a long time that it would be the word and the spirit working together bringing individuals forward into a divine plan. As we go about our daily lives busy with many things change and experience shapes and molds us. i can see the reality of the parable of the potter and the clay. Regardless of church attendance its about the inner workings of our soul and heart. I do believe in that scripture faune...I dont pretend to understand it and as I write I really am not sure what I am trying to say.The love of God which to me has always been evident and powerful has mercy in it which is also a powerhouse of untapped knowledge...
Scriptures tell us that there are many scriptures and ancient text that were not added to the bible which was written by the catholic church..I do not know why? Someone had a reason. Many scriptures are mistranslated or incorrect..having said that. One I cling too is the one about the holy spirit as comforter, teacher and guide. Ive maintained many yrs learning to know him and him having become my friend and taught me stuff no man ever did. The bible is said to be a encoded metaphysical book. Which if Im to understand what that means it throws another perspective on it all.Im trying to understand this perspective. Im also trying to marry up what I know from experience.
I hope I havent confused you. In the past I have taken much of scripture literally...now Im rethinking. I also think you are a beautiful person who strives to do their best, you have a lovely spirit.
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Post by shushy on Aug 26, 2013 8:49:48 GMT -5
This is the third time I've tried to post a response to this thread. The previous attempts only served to close my connection. Well, here goes one last time.... I think of the Kingdom of God as another dimension of life. It's in me and surrounds me. I was made aware of it by the Spirit, and the more I am conscious of it, the more I sense a unity with God and every living thing. The primary expression of the Kingdom of God is love. Blessings, Linda Linda I like the way you've explained this....much better than I did. I think what you said is the same as the "just being" I was trying to convey!
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Post by shushy on Aug 26, 2013 8:59:27 GMT -5
Thank you all for responding. I love what everyone has written. Im with you on the sense of unity with God and every living thing. Recently I had to put my cat down of 12yrs ..it broke my heart. I was given a new kitten within a couple of days. Ive begun to notice when I look into animals eyes I see the same look of love and acceptance back at me in each animal. I call this the oneness also. It is fascinating.I havent become a tree hugger but I am thankful that this planet has become my home and I do want to appreciate all of that as well whereas in the past just took it all for granted basicly. Remember that scripture about all nature crying out...
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Post by quizzer on Aug 26, 2013 12:31:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear about your kitty, shushy.
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Post by rational on Aug 26, 2013 14:44:46 GMT -5
Ive begun to notice when I look into animals eyes I see the same look of love and acceptance back at me in each animal. This is really noticeable with spiders. And the cape buffalo I wonder about the hyena.
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Post by shushy on Aug 26, 2013 15:34:48 GMT -5
Anyone tell you you have an answer for everything and I knew you would come up with something!! You are so predictable and where did I say every animal?I see them melt when I tell them I love them and Im begining to also think language or sound could be universal in some instances. Or...maybe they sense the intent? Dont call me insane call me a dreamer!!!
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Post by shushy on Aug 26, 2013 15:36:59 GMT -5
Thanks quizzer..x Stillll cry when I look at his pic sometimes, he was a cat that thought he was a human!!
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Post by rational on Aug 26, 2013 16:20:46 GMT -5
Thanks quizzer..x Stillll cry when I look at his pic sometimes, he was a cat that thought he was a human!! Or was it a case of personification?!? Oh get off it! I haven't called you insane for years!
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Post by faune on Aug 26, 2013 16:32:14 GMT -5
As we have grown spiritually over time, his kingdom/glory increasing in each soul, his will becoming manifested in our lives. Many yrs ago I strived with confessioning scripture over my life and postitive confession. Looking back the word was going forth and doing its work. Ive known a long time that it would be the word and the spirit working together bringing individuals forward into a divine plan. As we go about our daily lives busy with many things change and experience shapes and molds us. i can see the reality of the parable of the potter and the clay. Regardless of church attendance its about the inner workings of our soul and heart. I do believe in that scripture faune...I dont pretend to understand it and as I write I really am not sure what I am trying to say.The love of God which to me has always been evident and powerful has mercy in it which is also a powerhouse of untapped knowledge... Scriptures tell us that there are many scriptures and ancient text that were not added to the bible which was written by the catholic church..I do not know why? Someone had a reason. Many scriptures are mistranslated or incorrect..having said that. One I cling too is the one about the holy spirit as comforter, teacher and guide. Ive maintained many yrs learning to know him and him having become my friend and taught me stuff no man ever did.The bible is said to be a encoded metaphysical book. Which if Im to understand what that means it throws another perspective on it all.Im trying to understand this perspective. Im also trying to marry up what I know from experience. I hope I havent confused you. In the past I have taken much of scripture literally...now Im rethinking. I also think you are a beautiful person who strives to do their best, you have a lovely spirit. Shushy ~ I appreciated you sharing your thoughts and I feel you have proved God's faithfulness in your life many times from your stories. However, I highlighted above the one thing that I feel you have proven to your self to be true ~ the reality of the Holy Spirit as our Comforter, Teacher, and Guide. I feel that as long as we have the seal of the Holy Spirit within, we have all we need on our spiritual journey of life. I also believe God will direct us where we can grow spiritually and also be useful within the Church body. However, what is right for one person may not be the same for the other ~ we have to listen to our "inner gut" and follow its leading as I feel that is the Holy Spirit looking out for our welfare.
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Post by snow on Aug 26, 2013 21:15:14 GMT -5
Thanks quizzer..x Stillll cry when I look at his pic sometimes, he was a cat that thought he was a human!! Lost my 18 year old cat a year ago and it's tough! I have another cat now, but I still miss my constant companion. I got him really young and he was a one person cat. Maine coon cats are said to be that way and he definitely was. I adopted a 2 year old after he died and it's not quite the same. He is definitely my cat, and I know he has bonded, but not like Sam. So I know what you mean!
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Post by rational on Aug 26, 2013 22:54:52 GMT -5
I adopted a 2 year old after he died and it's not quite the same. Even as someone who is not overly fond of cats I can understand this. Perhaps next time you should adopt before they die. Although more expensive to keep they are a bit more lively.
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Post by snow on Aug 26, 2013 23:35:10 GMT -5
I adopted a 2 year old after he died and it's not quite the same. Even as someone who is not overly fond of cats I can understand this. Perhaps next time you should adopt before they die. Although more expensive to keep they are a bit more lively. Smarty pants!!
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Post by shushy on Aug 28, 2013 7:02:20 GMT -5
Oh get off it! I haven't called you insane for years!
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Post by shushy on Aug 28, 2013 7:05:55 GMT -5
I have no idea at all what sparked that comment...I think you just wanted to be noticed!! or a reaction which Im sure you got at the time. I have to say you entertained me for many moons and gave me some flippin good laughs.
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Post by shushy on Aug 28, 2013 7:08:07 GMT -5
.[/quote] Shushy ~ I appreciated you sharing your thoughts and I feel you have proved God's faithfulness in your life many times from your stories. However, I highlighted above the one thing that I feel you have proven to your self to be true ~ the reality of the Holy Spirit as our Comforter, Teacher, and Guide. I feel that as long as we have the seal of the Holy Spirit within, we have all we need on our spiritual journey of life. I also believe God will direct us where we can grow spiritually and also be useful within the Church body. However, what is right for one person may not be the same for the other ~ we have to listen to our "inner gut" and follow its leading as I feel that is the Holy Spirit looking out for our welfare. [/quote]
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Post by shushy on Aug 28, 2013 7:19:12 GMT -5
Hi faune
Yes I agree. In 1995 I was running with the prophets, and spent 7yrs with them. Id come to a place where I needed direction. I fasted and prayed over the newyr and I was lead to leave the mainline church. I felt a bit mystified but wanted to be obedient. The ensueing yrs, 2 of which I co pastored a house church, were yrs of different training than within in the mainline church. I could call it bootcamp a lot happened instead I will call it life. I try to be lead in peace..it isnt always easy with my personality. He is faithful, I try not to use the word God anymore. I hate religion it separates us from one another and from loving each other. I was in a church once where the pastor was constantly telling everyone to get out into the market place...it argivated me because Im not a street corner preacher nor do I have that anointing. Some do. I finally feel Im doing what Im supposed to be doing its taken a long time.
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