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Post by prokoff on Jul 8, 2006 21:49:25 GMT -5
Not all former professing folks leave the truth because of deep-seated doctrinal differences...but rather due to a desire to explore & too indulge in forbidden fruit...to experience worldy pleasures; things prohibited them during professing years. Some of these will, of course, find scriptures that will free them from the strictures of 2x2ism...and in which they will "find" no condemnation for: dancing, drinking, movies, TV, make-up, short hair, long hair, pants on women....etc.
Not a condemnation....just an observation.
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Post by Porky on Jul 9, 2006 2:02:41 GMT -5
Prokoff, do you really think that exes leave the truth because they wish to indulge themselves in forbidden pleasures...pleasures of the world? Certainly many exes leave due to doctrinal changes, and due to legitimate reasons of faith. Yet, Indeed, not all exes leave over spiritual issues....but rather because they want the "worldly life"...and really don't care about spiritual values. Am I wrong?
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Post by Porkies got a boner on Jul 9, 2006 2:14:32 GMT -5
I agree....that not all exes are spiritually motivated when they leave the 2x2 church. Many of these are amongst the most vitriolic of exes. I can feel their foul vibes. They need a punching bag, with which they can pummel out their feelings of guilt....and that picture is that of their least favorite worker.
...we all need a way to discharge our feelings, though I believe more loving and peaceful ways are better.
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Post by your freind on Jul 9, 2006 2:45:42 GMT -5
Obviously this is a sensitive topic...which suggests, that perhaps more than a few exes left due to worldly inclinations...rather than due to doctrianal & spiritual reasons. Right?
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Post by I repudiate on Jul 9, 2006 8:56:38 GMT -5
First of all, who gets to define "wordly"? The Workers.
What gives the Workers the authority to define "wordly"? The Friends consensus.
The fellowship with its views on what constitutes "wordly" is a "consensus reality". By accepting this "consensus reality", the Friends legitimize the Worker's authority.
Some of those who leave the group are "rebelling". On the other hand, many are "repudiating". There is a difference.
Rebelling, is against an authority which has some legitimacy. Repudiating is refusing to accept an authority as legitimate.
An example: The Workers decide it is OK to buy a toaster, but it is "worldly" to buy a TV. A "rebeller" will buy the TV and be resentful that it is against the rules. A "repudiator" will say "The Workers have no right to govern my decissions", and either buy or not buy, based on their own convictions.
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Post by las logged out on Jul 9, 2006 9:23:26 GMT -5
First of all, who gets to define "wordly"? The Workers. What gives the Workers the authority to define "wordly"? The Friends consensus. The fellowship with its views on what constitutes "wordly" is a "consensus reality". By accepting this "consensus reality", the Friends legitimize the Worker's authority. Some of those who leave the group are " rebelling". On the other hand, many are " repudiating". There is a difference. Rebelling, is against an authority which has some legitimacy. Repudiating is refusing to accept an authority as legitimate. An example: The Workers decide it is OK to buy a toaster, but it is "worldly" to buy a TV. A " rebeller" will buy the TV and be resentful that it is against the rules. A "repudiator" will say "The Workers have no right to govern my decissions", and either buy or not buy, based on their own convictions. Right on
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 9, 2006 9:27:38 GMT -5
Not all former professing folks leave the truth because of deep-seated doctrinal differences...but rather due to a desire to explore & too indulge in forbidden fruit...to experience worldy pleasures; things prohibited them during professing years. Some of these will, of course, find scriptures that will free them from the strictures of 2x2ism...and in which they will "find" no condemnation for: dancing, drinking, movies, TV, make-up, short hair, long hair, pants on women....etc. Not a condemnation....just an observation. I understand from reading this board and from some experience that all these things can be and are done done while in the workers' church. If that be the case, then there would be no need to leave the church for the sake of these things....if there be any truth to the "observation".
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Post by Observation on Jul 9, 2006 9:29:50 GMT -5
From my observation this is one poster setting up a false argument and supporting it by posting to themselves.
It is just folly. Any person who studies the aspects of why so many have left will find that almost all cases it is unjust legalism and exclusivness. It is the result of wrong doctrine.
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Post by tire on Jul 9, 2006 11:11:52 GMT -5
From my observation this is one poster setting up a false argument and supporting it by posting to themselves. It is just folly. Any person who studies the aspects of why so many have left will find that almost all cases it is unjust legalism and exclusivness. It is the result of wrong doctrine. I just did a survey, in which 96% that left said they were tired.
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Post by BJ unlogged on Jul 9, 2006 12:25:23 GMT -5
just the use of the word "Worldly" in the opening of this topic makes me laugh-
I agree with the poster who says about what the definition of worldly is?
To many Christians the things a 2x2 would consider worldly are just normal everyday activities.
IMO-- Just the use of the word "Worldly" shows the total indocternation that the 2x2 way convinces us of.
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