Post by sacerdotal on Jul 5, 2013 8:45:15 GMT -5
Scott or Clearday posted what you wrote:
I know you and Scott and Edgar and you're all good guys. It pains me to see you going hammer and tongs over this, because if you all sat down over a beer you would not be in violent disagreement. I'm hoping we can all get the peaceful sleep we need, and chill on this a bit. Because there are deep misunderstandings which will not be settled in the current high octane environment.
Violent disagreement? I have not seen any violent disagreement. Violent is a pretty strong word. Disagreement yes, violent, no.
There is no need for anyone to chill on the topic. It is a serious topic for Wings to have credibility with victims. Most victims are ex 2x2. Wings seems to be saying that they don't want ex 2x2s, that their focus will be only on 2x2s. Clearday is correct in a follow up to you, Wings has been helped by this debate. If Wings won't address all victims, as Clearday stated, another site will be created that will. I could have started 5 sites to do what Wings does in the amount of time that I have spent working with Fixit, Scott, and Clearday. Wings is at a crossroads for either being relevant going further, or becoming to be seen as just a puppet of the 2x2s.
You also stated in your writing to Scott that you were going to move the "nuances" of the topic to the one thread of why were the victims stories moved? I do not think that that is needed or even fair. Nuances matter, and because there may be a "nuance" means that it be lost in the main thread and deserve further inspection in such a way that the "nuances" aren't lost. Keeping threads on topic, I appreciate. You being the unilateral judge of what should or shouldn't be in a new thread, seems heavy handed.
I know you and Scott and Edgar and you're all good guys. It pains me to see you going hammer and tongs over this, because if you all sat down over a beer you would not be in violent disagreement. I'm hoping we can all get the peaceful sleep we need, and chill on this a bit. Because there are deep misunderstandings which will not be settled in the current high octane environment.
Violent disagreement? I have not seen any violent disagreement. Violent is a pretty strong word. Disagreement yes, violent, no.
There is no need for anyone to chill on the topic. It is a serious topic for Wings to have credibility with victims. Most victims are ex 2x2. Wings seems to be saying that they don't want ex 2x2s, that their focus will be only on 2x2s. Clearday is correct in a follow up to you, Wings has been helped by this debate. If Wings won't address all victims, as Clearday stated, another site will be created that will. I could have started 5 sites to do what Wings does in the amount of time that I have spent working with Fixit, Scott, and Clearday. Wings is at a crossroads for either being relevant going further, or becoming to be seen as just a puppet of the 2x2s.
You also stated in your writing to Scott that you were going to move the "nuances" of the topic to the one thread of why were the victims stories moved? I do not think that that is needed or even fair. Nuances matter, and because there may be a "nuance" means that it be lost in the main thread and deserve further inspection in such a way that the "nuances" aren't lost. Keeping threads on topic, I appreciate. You being the unilateral judge of what should or shouldn't be in a new thread, seems heavy handed.