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Thank God for the coming of Christ that ended executions for sins...except maybe murder... |
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Post by matisse on Apr 19, 2021 13:17:14 GMT -5
Oh right, you're now a spokesperson for Snopes!?? If I were labeled according to things I said as a teen, I would be called an "ardent believer". |
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Oh right, you're now a spokesperson for Snopes!?? your words not mine...good try though |
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Post by xna on Apr 19, 2021 13:52:11 GMT -5
Christians have been trying to claim he wasn't a "true atheist". His life don't fit their worldview of an atheist. He was a reasoned atheist who studied many different religions, but he always self identified as an atheist. I have read a few books about Pat and listened to interviews from his family on his life and death. His family are all atheists. His mother wanted the government to open up an investigation into his death from "friendly fire" and tell the truth. He was a little crazy growing up taking huge risks jumping from rock to rock on the sides of the mountains. He was a true patriot who gave up much more than most for his country. Saying Pat Tillman was not an atheist would be like saying Bill Graham was not a Christian because he once questioned his faith. conservapedia.com didn't do their homework on this one or can't admit Pat is a national hero was also was an atheist. |
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Christians have been trying to claim he wasn't a "true atheist". His life don't fit their worldview of an atheist. He was a reasoned atheist who studied many different different religions but he always self identified as an atheist. I have read a few books about Pat and listened to interviews from his family on his life and death. His family are all atheists. His mother wanted the government to open up an investigation into his death from "friendly fire" and tell the truth. He was a little crazy growing up taking huge risks jumping from rock to rock on the sides of the mountains. He was a true patriot who gave up much more than most for his country. Saying Pat Tillman was not an atheist would be like saying Bill Graham was not a Christian because he once questioned his faith. conservapedia.com didn't do their homework on this one or can't admit Pat a national hero was also an atheist. with billy graham yes he did briefly have some doubts before a speech one time but then got right back on that horse and road it to its conclusion. tillman however we don't know exactly whether or not he was still riding the fence of non-belief or that nagging feeling he had in the back of his mind there might be something greater out there...tillmans brother was a bit drunk and even had a beer in his hand when he made those statements at his funeral...a couple supposed statements before he died were "God's not going to help you" and "God can't help us now"....not sure if that is a statement of unbelief or not.... |
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Post by xna on Apr 19, 2021 15:54:59 GMT -5
with billy graham yes he did briefly have some doubts before a speech one time but then got right back on that horse and road it to its conclusion. tillman however we don't know exactly whether or not he was still riding the fence of non-belief or that nagging feeling he had in the back of his mind there might be something greater out there...tillmans brother was a bit drunk and even had a beer in his hand when he made those statements at his funeral...a couple supposed statements before he died were "God's not going to help you" and "God can't help us now"....not sure if that is a statement of unbelief or not.... |
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Post by xna on Apr 19, 2021 16:01:36 GMT -5
with billy graham yes he did briefly have some doubts before a speech one time but then got right back on that horse and road it to its conclusion. tillman however we don't know exactly whether or not he was still riding the fence of non-belief or that nagging feeling he had in the back of his mind there might be something greater out there...tillmans brother was a bit drunk and even had a beer in his hand when he made those statements at his funeral...a couple supposed statements before he died were "God's not going to help you" and "God can't help us now"....not sure if that is a statement of unbelief or not.... Tillmans last words. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 16:33:01 GMT -5
with billy graham yes he did briefly have some doubts before a speech one time but then got right back on that horse and road it to its conclusion. tillman however we don't know exactly whether or not he was still riding the fence of non-belief or that nagging feeling he had in the back of his mind there might be something greater out there...tillmans brother was a bit drunk and even had a beer in his hand when he made those statements at his funeral...a couple supposed statements before he died were "God's not going to help you" and "God can't help us now"....not sure if that is a statement of unbelief or not.... we know his family is largely atheist if not all atheist, however that doesn't clarify whether or not in the back of his mind he still wondered if there might not be something more out there... |
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with billy graham yes he did briefly have some doubts before a speech one time but then got right back on that horse and road it to its conclusion. tillman however we don't know exactly whether or not he was still riding the fence of non-belief or that nagging feeling he had in the back of his mind there might be something greater out there...tillmans brother was a bit drunk and even had a beer in his hand when he made those statements at his funeral...a couple supposed statements before he died were "God's not going to help you" and "God can't help us now"....not sure if that is a statement of unbelief or not.... Tillmans last words. i believe i summarized the basic theme of that in my above post... |
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The new bridge outside Las Vega, spanning the Colorado River above the Hoover Dam, is named for Tillman. |
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Post by xna on Apr 19, 2021 18:52:20 GMT -5
i believe i summarized the basic theme of that in my above post... I wasn't sure. I don't see anything about his last recorded words or his life that indicated he was a theist. The way I see it, he did a lot of good even with a short life. His death exposed the bigotry against atheists in the military. His death educated people about atheists role in sports and the military. His death exposed how the military tried to use his death to promote the war, even though he was against the war in Iran. The Pat Tillman Foundation has raised 20 million dollars so far. Except for his extreme adventure / risk taker leaning, he was a good example. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 19:08:17 GMT -5
i believe i summarized the basic theme of that in my above post... I wasn't sure. I don't see anything about his last recorded words or his life that indicated he was a theist. The way I see it, he did a lot of good even with a short life. His death exposed the bigotry against atheists in the military. His death educated people about atheists role in sports and the military. His death exposed how the military tried to use his death to promote the war, even though he was against the war in Iran. The Pat Tillman Foundation has raised 20 million dollars so far. Except for his extreme adventure / risk taker leaning, he was a good example. *iraq if you are trying to say he was anti-war that wouldn't be the facts of it...people who are anti-war don't normally join up at the first onset of hostilities... |
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Post by xna on Apr 19, 2021 20:05:10 GMT -5
*iraq if you are trying to say he was anti-war that wouldn't be the facts of it...people who are anti-war don't normally join up at the first onset of hostilities... from the web... Tillman enlisted expecting to join the fight against Al Qaeda and the effort to bring Osama bin Laden to justice. Instead, he was sent to Iraq. Tillman thought the invasion and occupation of Iraq was illegal. |
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