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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 8:31:44 GMT -5
So you are saying he either used the specific word "council" or "råd"? It makes a difference in both languages whether it means "council" or "counsel" in which your translator indicates is applicable in either case. In the former case of "council", that means an actual group of people who get together to discuss, advise, make decisions. In the latter case of "counsel", it means "advise" or "to give advice" and is not necessarily associated with a group like a group of overseers.....in fact it is probably more frequently associated with advice from a singular person such as a professional in a particular field. The point is, if Eldon meant "counsel" and you thought he meant "council", then you have misunderstood him. The same problem can arise with the word "råd" by the looks of it. Only the full context of the usage can reveal what he really meant. That said, I don't know of any other nouns used for the overseer gatherings. "Council" does fit very well.....I've just never heard the word associated with those gatherings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 8:34:55 GMT -5
"The ugly policy of retroactively manufacturing filth to slander the folks they have already beaten and knocked into the ditch." This is what I personally experienced and grew to be accepted world wide. Still get literally sick inside when I remember the experience, which, in many ways, even bears influence on people's thinking to this very day. For years I sought to respond as my Lord did to His false accusers. If now I fail in that He will surely know I would rather have died than have to face that with all its consequences in life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 8:43:25 GMT -5
He probably used the word 'råd' -- which is perhaps broader in Swedish --- In any case, both you and I know what I mean. The way it was used in our case -- is that our expulsion was approved by the highest 2x2 organizational level possible in Europe.. and thus not just the personal idea of Eldon and his staff. And it was also used in such a such a way to clarify to me and my family that the North American top workers had also discussed the issue and OK'd my expulsion -
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 8:52:01 GMT -5
"The ugly policy of retroactively manufacturing filth to slander the folks they have already beaten and knocked into the ditch." This is what I personally experienced and grew to be accepted world wide. Still get literally sick inside when I remember the experience, which, in many ways, even bears influence on people's thinking to this very day. For years I sought to respond as my Lord did to His false accusers. If now I fail in that He will surely know I would rather have died than have to face that with all its consequences in life. Dennis -- I can hear the pain in your post regarding memories of this kind of 2x2 treatment .. I feel it too, and it still makes me sweat after nearly 13 years -- and that is why it upsets me to read of Hoa being subject to it in such an ugly way. The tactic is used in a situation where one is completely defenceless, no chance to respond, with no option but to feel the blows and endure the pain. I remember hearing the accounts of extra meetings the workers had amongst the friends in Sweden after convention to warn them against us --- Hearing of the complete falsehoods spread amongst former friends of ours -- but having no chance for defence or response. Edgar Knowing about this -- I am so very greatful for Minth Thanh and Hoan and their capacity to show love and kindness as they do to Hoa. You and I Dennis, are especially aware of how much this must mean to him
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Post by xuanhoan on Feb 3, 2014 9:58:49 GMT -5
Thanks for writing your life story, Xuan Hoan. Love the bus analogy! Now your family is on the Jesus Only bus! Does the VN hymnbook have the hymn: Jesus Only is our Message? Always remember that it wasnt God who let you down--it was men. yes, we are delightful now to be on the Jesus Only bus. We have that hymn in the VN hymnbook.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 10:41:10 GMT -5
Thanks for writing your life story, Xuan Hoan. Love the bus analogy! Now your family is on the Jesus Only bus! Does the VN hymnbook have the hymn: Jesus Only is our Message? Always remember that it wasnt God who let you down--it was men. yes, we are delightful now to be on the Jesus Only bus. We have that hymn in the VN hymnbook. You are definitely on the right bus!
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 3, 2014 10:50:06 GMT -5
"The ugly policy of retroactively manufacturing filth to slander the folks they have already beaten and knocked into the ditch." This is what I personally experienced and grew to be accepted world wide. Still get literally sick inside when I remember the experience, which, in many ways, even bears influence on people's thinking to this very day. For years I sought to respond as my Lord did to His false accusers. If now I fail in that He will surely know I would rather have died than have to face that with all its consequences in life. Dennis -- I can hear the pain in your post regarding memories of this kind of 2x2 treatment .. I feel it too, and it still makes me sweat after nearly 13 years -- and that is why it upsets me to read of Hoa being subject to it in such an ugly way. The tactic is used in a situation where one is completely defenceless, no chance to respond, with no option but to feel the blows and endure the pain. I remember hearing the accounts of extra meetings the workers had amongst the friends in Sweden after convention to warn them against us --- Hearing of the complete falsehoods spread amongst former friends of ours -- but having no chance for defence or response. Edgar Knowing about this -- I am so very greatful for Minth Thanh and Hoan and their capacity to show love and kindness as they do to Hoa. You and I Dennis, are especially aware of how much this must mean to him Oh dear... The same as mine !!!. Dear brothers, we were through that experience and knowing how pain you had endure. (Hearing of the complete falsehoods spread amongst former friends of ours -- but having no chance for defence or response.) Through year I'm in this situation. Psalms 6:6
I am weary with my groaning; Every night make I my bed to swim; I water my couch with my tears.
Psalms 42:3
3 My tears have been my food day and night, While they continually say unto me, Where is thy God?
This morning we have Bible learning with uncle Hoa in Revelation 21:4 Comfort our heart. 4 and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away.
As to me no need to defence or respose. Send all to our Lord, He'll defend for us. God have been doing for us exactly like in Psalms 23:1-6 1 Jehovah is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures; He leadeth me beside still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: He guideth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: Thou hast anointed my head with oil; My cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and lovingkindness shall follow me all the days of my life; And I shall dwell in the house of Jehovah for ever.May God be with you Dennis & Edgar, take care and comfort you all as mine. For we have plenty of joy to serve our Lord in His will.. We are being here for we can share our situation and understand others so that we can remember to each others in our prayer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 11:27:33 GMT -5
Yes, Edgar, and thank you, thank you too, Minhthanh. For years I have wondered at the strange compulsion to read and post here. Now with this Vietnam information and hearing about uncle Hoa, for the first time I understand why completely. Uncle Hoa, sir, if you read here, please know you have my admiration and prayers, I simply could not continue largely due to my injury with all the physical and emotional stress that followed. Even posting in this forum there have been those who have attacked me in the past, believing themselves on the side of the angels. Fortunately that has begun to change, and I feel a degree of vindication by circumstances and spirit bearing out that drastic injustice has been done.
When that elder and convention owner invaded my late wife's bedroom in the basement of his home an attempt to seduce her with his own wife upstairs in their bedroom long before we married, and then HE attempted to discredit me with every vile story possible, getting workers to side with him, I was so sick I literally was nauseated and suffered severe intestinal troubles. Finally able to get that somewhat stopped, it only leaped to the fore when another sick man began HIS totally false accusations for his own place and reasons.
So, yes, I understand, and have immense compassion for all who have suffered at the hands of this "2&2 worker" lockstep and as I see it, false mindset. I too literally weep for what others have to endure, knowing perhaps had I stood up to those who were so vile years ago, perhaps others worldwide might not have had to endure what they have been faced with since, and I might have received medical care for my spine as well. I am so sorry for what you, Edgar, have had to endure, and those in Vietnam. So sorry. Tragic.
And now we have another brother down in New Zealand who will most likely be facing the same sort of mistreatment, as 2&2 worker followers are unable to find the courage to stand up, identify themselves openly and object to this sort of treatment that is a spiritual attempt to kill their own wounded. And yet, the fiasco in Vietnam proves to me that such things can be used to work out for good for those who truly "love" even as I find it beginning to happen in this forum for me as well.
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Post by quizzer on Feb 3, 2014 11:44:17 GMT -5
Can I ask who informed you of that? Was it the Swedish overseer? Which North American council was involved - was it the eastern or the western or both? It was Eldon K that carefully explained this to us --- He refered to the European council where he had been for a meeting, and it would have been the Western council he refered to in North America. Dale S was at the convention in Stockholm where it happened 2001, just outsidet the left garage door to the convention building on the picture I will enclose. Edgarmassey, can I use this photo for Truth Archives?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 11:49:03 GMT -5
It was Eldon K that carefully explained this to us --- He refered to the European council where he had been for a meeting, and it would have been the Western council he refered to in North America. Dale S was at the convention in Stockholm where it happened 2001, just outsidet the left garage door to the convention building on the picture I will enclose. Edgarmassey, can I use this photo for Truth Archives? Sure -- You are welcome to any material that is mine -- wherever you may find it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 12:53:02 GMT -5
Dennis, although we have unpleasant memories of our exit process.. and there is no way that 2x2isms policy and actions can be justified in these things -- for my own part, I realize that excepting for this experience I would probably still be immersed in the ugly and dishonest propaganda of the organization.
Our exit, however painful it was, is likely the best thing that has ever happened to us. We have a far better life with far more peace and happiness than we ever did as membership within 2x2ism.
I am so amazingly happy for my children that they have excaped the idiocies of 2x2ism, and are able to live fullfilling lives, each of them free to listen to the spirit of Christ within them, and free to guide their lives according to the wonderful moral values that he taught. I shudder to think of how it had gone if we were still within the group. I have seen to many families divided and suffering to live with the illusion that it would have been different for us.
So deep down in side, I know that neither Hoa or anyone else of the golden folks in Vietnam are going to come out losers in this experience, regardless how 2x2ism develops. God cares for his own.
But it has taken us a few years to see it this way.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 14:08:13 GMT -5
Minh Thanh --- This was a very interesting piece of information to me. I find it quite upsetting because it reveals a very very dishonest aspect of 2x2ism often used when they try to justify the ungodly policies they have toward people that they have rejected. The ugly policy of retroactively manufacturing filth to slander the folks they have already beaten and knocked into the ditch. This exact same tactic is also documented in the story of how Marg Magowan was abused by 2x2 leadership well after they had expelled her. www.anotherstep.net/summary/constructedfilth.htm . WELL AFTER she was expelled they brought up problems that no one had ever heard of before .. and were never mentioned to her before either .. about problems they implied she had had years before with leadership and companions. This is equivalent of without mercy continuing to kick and abuse victims that are already laying beaten and bruised by their organization. A policy of dishonesty that isn't worthy the Christian label. I am very sorry to hear that Hoa has also become a victim of this ugliness. Give Hoa our kindest regards, and heartfelt thankfulness from us for the faithfulness to his calling he has shown. I am very sorry to hear that Hoa has also become a victim of this ugliness.
One thing I find very interesting in all this, is that while Hoa has obviously been singled out for abuse from those foreign workers, at the same time he continues as he always has......ministering to those he fellowships with. One only has to look at the pictures shared by MT yesterday in this post (click on them to view): professing.proboards.com/post/571086/threadand it is very obvious that Hoa is enjoying continued fellowship with true friends there in Vietnam. Also, when one looks at these pictures, they are of people who are loving their fellowship together, and it is a very wonderful fellowship as well. Can ANYONE who is professing here match what this fellowship meeting has accomplished in the last short while? Can ANY worker around the world point to a similar response to the gospel message in their area? In MT's words: May I share with you our wonderful fellowship and gospel meeting this morning, 25 friends all together with joyfull heart, uncluded 3 foreigner friends. We all have the encouragement together through hearing and sharing. After the gospel meeting, there was a man suddenly standing up, speaking some words showing his desire to profess, serving our God, after two years hearing the message from uncle Hoa. We do know that not only us on this earth, but also in The Heaven have the same joy with us to have a new life. Within 3 months we have had 7 friends go into our fellowship with God. (There are 3 people come to listening the gospel this morning).[/b]
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Post by fixit on Feb 3, 2014 14:10:03 GMT -5
When we were rejected from 2x2ism in 2001 were were informed that our expulsion was approved by both the North American council, and the European council. .. and could not be changed!!! They chose to eject not only you Edgar, but your wife and children. The attitude of church leaders: The attitude of our Father in heaven:
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 14:14:14 GMT -5
I would say that the true fellowship is alive and well in Vietnam, and that the 'other' fellowship is now in decline due to the interference of the foreign workers who care about power, and not the health of the church.
One more example from around the world of overseers destroying the fellowship.
Just a look at all the examples here on the TMB and other websites and even on facebook, where it is not just the words of those who can be labeled as disgruntled exes, but also the words of those who are currently IN the fellowship who are sharing their frustrations with 'leadership' destroying their church.
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Post by Mary on Feb 3, 2014 14:20:45 GMT -5
Minh correct me if I am wrong but you wrote, "I had answered to uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lie, untrue, injustice, without unity and love."
So the photos you posted of the meeting with 25 people - are they not with the main 2x2 group but you have your own fellowship now outside of the 2x2 fellowship. Chau has left the work with the workers and you now have your own fellowship?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 14:22:09 GMT -5
Dennis, although we have unpleasant memories of our exit process.. and there is no way that 2x2isms policy and actions can be justified in these things -- for my own part, I realize that excepting for this experience I would probably still be immersed in the ugly and dishonest propaganda of the organization. Our exit, however painful it was, is likely the best thing that has ever happened to us. We have a far better life with far more peace and happiness than we ever did as membership within 2x2ism. I am so amazingly happy for my children that they have excaped the idiocies of 2x2ism, and are able to live fullfilling lives, each of them free to listen to the spirit of Christ within them, and free to guide their lives according to the wonderful moral values that he taught. I shudder to think of how it had gone if we were still within the group. I have seen to many families divided and suffering to live with the illusion that it would have been different for us. So deep down in side, I know that neither Hoa or anyone else of the golden folks in Vietnam are going to come out losers in this experience, regardless how 2x2ism develops. God cares for his own. But it has taken us a few years to see it this way. Yes sir, that is true for me also, however I have not been as successful as you in both using and recognizing the fullness of that fact. Loss of nearly all family support on both sides of my late wife and my own, has taken its very heavy toll. You are absolutely correct though in stating that without that experience, I would most likely still be trapped in its nigh unto absolute influence on my life and be unable to comprehend other's positions with compassion as now.
This is one reason why I value you and all those posting from the same perspective as myself so very much, considering carefully everyone's thoughts and opinions, including those who have no belief in God whatsoever, for/as there but for comprehending and understanding the grace of my God, go I.
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Feb 3, 2014 14:50:29 GMT -5
Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 14:50:29 GMT -5
Minh correct me if I am wrong but you wrote, "I had answered to uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lie, untrue, injustice, without unity and love." So the photos you posted of the meeting with 25 people - are they not with the main 2x2 group but you have your own fellowship now outside of the 2x2 fellowship. Chau has left the work with the workers and you now have your own fellowship? It is pretty obvious to me that this is true fellowship, with a meeting in a home, sharing the gospel and joy of serving the Lord with likeminded believers........away from the 'rule' of the foreigners that came in and destroyed the fellowship in that area. Isn't this what the truth fellowship is supposed to be like? In her words: I had answered to uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lie, untrue, injustice, without unity and love. We are full of happy now. May I share with you our wonderful fellowship and gospel meeting this morning, 25 friends all together with joyfull heart, uncluded 3 foreigner friends. We all have the encouragement together through hearing and sharing. After the gospel meeting, there was a man suddenly standing up, speaking some words showing his desire to profess, serving our God, after two years hearing the message from uncle Hoa. We do know that not only us on this earth, but also in The Heaven have the same joy with us to have a new life. Within 3 months we have had 7 friends go into our fellowship with God. (There are 3 people come to listening the gospel this morning).
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Feb 3, 2014 15:20:48 GMT -5
Post by fixit on Feb 3, 2014 15:20:48 GMT -5
The Vietnam mess is just a continuation of the Alberta troubles.
When will the faithful wake up and realise that out-of-control overseers are trashing the church, leaving a trail of destruction?
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 16:10:34 GMT -5
The Vietnam mess is just a continuation of the Alberta troubles. When will the faithful wake up and realise that out-of-control overseers are trashing the church, leaving a trail of destruction? Oh...... a lot of them are awake and well aware of what is going on. I think that some of those overseers are starting to feel the pinch. So far, these overseers are so stuck on themselves and their self-appointed place in the church that they probably think that they are going to be able to weather the storms that they create. However, the cost of weathering the storms they create are going to just continue to erode the church worldwide. It is the declining gospel meeting attendance, and the closed homes that will finally get their attention..... perhaps. Once they look at just who they are losing, and who is skipping meetings will they hopefully understand just how bad the situation is becoming. They are losing the support of the wage earners, and those who have homes to stay in and hold meetings in for the future health and continuation of the fellowship. Another thing that they probably aren't really understanding is the number of elders who no longer support them. These are the people leading the fellowship meetings, which are the backbone of the fellowship. These elders will be the ones that influence the future of the church.....if they stay in that is. Their testimonies in Sunday morning meetings, along with the testimonies of others who no longer support the 'system', are about Christ, and about scripture. I am pretty sure that many of those professing people here on the TMB are the ones who are giving testimonies in their Sunday morning meetings that never refer to 'when the workers came into their life', or have anything to do with workers. These are the people who are going to be affecting what the fellowship is going to be like in the years to come.
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 3, 2014 16:23:20 GMT -5
Minh correct me if I am wrong but you wrote, "I had answered to uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lie, untrue, injustice, without unity and love." So the photos you posted of the meeting with 25 people - are they not with the main 2x2 group but you have your own fellowship now outside of the 2x2 fellowship. Chau has left the work with the workers and you now have your own fellowship? All the Vietnamese friends in the picture are not in the 2x2 fellowship. They restored the work for uncle Châu, but sent him out of the country, for learning how to become a "teacher" as mentioned in Dale's letter . It seemed he didn’t learn well in Cambodia, East Timor, Australia. Now he was arranged to go to Cambodia again in this month. Although still loving the golden folks, but he is afraid to contact with, because his overseer want him only in their side. The overseer and his staff are still going to find out any connection between uncle Châu with us. The evidence immidiately go into the Lyle's black document against uncle Châu. Even his niece invited him to stay a couple day with her family, or my asking have a short time singing hymn with friends together as we often sang in the past, but he dares not, He is afraid of pushing out again. I post the picture of our activities here in order he can see, knowing that we still have the golden time as ever. Last night more than 10 friends with uncle Hoa had wonderfull time singing hymn at uncle Châu’ niece home (Duyên Thơ). Later on we will go to Binh Long to visit friends there (More than 100Km far from Saigon).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 16:23:36 GMT -5
The Vietnam mess is just a continuation of the Alberta troubles. When will the faithful wake up and realise that out-of-control overseers are trashing the church, leaving a trail of destruction? The interesting defence that 2x2 supporters make when I have pointed out completely anti-Christian behavior of leadership that I have experienced first hand, is that 'things are different now since you left' -- Vietnam proves that this is not so. To me it could seem the opposite .. Shaun Buckley visited me a few years ago and took up the issue of CSA -- and his words where that 'this is a thing of the past .. it is zero tolerance now'. There are absolutely no less examples of CSA than I was ever aware of before. The lag time in normal CSA reporting in religious groups is somewhere between 10 and 20 years -- so wishful hoping is a very big risk. The 'its improving' opinions seem to lack credibility as I see it. There have always been major problems in these ways so it is hard to prove it is getting worse ... but it is a dream of wishful thinking to suggest that things are getting better -- within "the perfect way"!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 16:41:03 GMT -5
I see another Edward Cooney's group emerging....Nathan, I think we can agree on this -- 2x2ism has clearly veered away from basic Christianity in such a radical way that maybe the 'Coonyite' label that has followed the group through the years is a fair enough identifier to define the 100 year emmergance of self-importance and extremism that has become the trademark of group doctrine and leadership
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 16:41:54 GMT -5
It is pretty obvious to me that this is true fellowship, with a meeting in a home, sharing the gospel and joy of serving the Lord with likeminded believers........away from the 'rule' of the foreigners that came in and destroyed the fellowship in that area. Isn't this what the truth fellowship is supposed to be like? In her words: I had answered to uncle Châu as I had post in this board that, we will never return to that fellowship just because seeing all the happening in VN, with lie, untrue, injustice, without unity and love. We are full of happy now. May I share with you our wonderful fellowship and gospel meeting this morning, 25 friends all together with joyfull heart, uncluded 3 foreigner friends. We all have the encouragement together through hearing and sharing. After the gospel meeting, there was a man suddenly standing up, speaking some words showing his desire to profess, serving our God, after two years hearing the message from uncle Hoa. We do know that not only us on this earth, but also in The Heaven have the same joy with us to have a new life. Within 3 months we have had 7 friends go into our fellowship with God. (There are 3 people come to listening the gospel this morning).
I see another Edward Cooney's group emerging....That doesn't make any sense, Nathan. These wonderful people don't have anything to do with Cooney. What I see, is a group of Christ followers gathering together in worship, fellowship and praise.
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Post by minhthanh on Feb 3, 2014 16:51:59 GMT -5
The Vietnam mess is just a continuation of the Alberta troubles. When will the faithful wake up and realise that out-of-control overseers are trashing the church, leaving a trail of destruction? Oh...... a lot of them are awake and well aware of what is going on. I think that some of those overseers are starting to feel the pinch. So far, these overseers are so stuck on themselves and their self-appointed place in the church that they probably think that they are going to be able to weather the storms that they create. However, the cost of weathering the storms they create are going to just continue to erode the church worldwide. It is the declining gospel meeting attendance, and the closed homes that will finally get their attention..... perhaps. Once they look at just who they are losing, and who is skipping meetings will they hopefully understand just how bad the situation is becoming. They are losing the support of the wage earners, and those who have homes to stay in and hold meetings in for the future health and continuation of the fellowship. Another thing that they probably aren't really understanding is the number of elders who no longer support them. These are the people leading the fellowship meetings, which are the backbone of the fellowship. These elders will be the ones that influence the future of the church.....if they stay in that is. Their testimonies in Sunday morning meetings, along with the testimonies of others who no longer support the 'system', are about Christ, and about scripture. I am pretty sure that many of those professing people here on the TMB are the ones who are giving testimonies in their Sunday morning meetings that never refer to 'when the workers came into their life', or have anything to do with workers. These are the people who are going to be affecting what the fellowship is going to be like in the years to come. Yes, we are about 10 elders and about 100 friends with one truely worker still going on the fellowship with God after seeing as The church in Ephesus in Revelation 2:2 2 I know thy works, and thy toil and patience, and that thou canst not bear evil men, and didst try them that call themselves apostles, and they are not, and didst find them false; We don't want to cooperate with evil men with their false. Still trusting in our God's promise. We can see clearly how God had take care and blessing upon us.
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 16:56:41 GMT -5
I am curious as to how other people are in the fellowship there in Vietnam. (other than your 100 people)
I think it is really great that so many of you have made your choice to follow your convictions, and your belief in Christ.
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I don't want to answer for MT but my understanding is that there were around 300 friends in VN before this happened.
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Post by fixit on Feb 3, 2014 17:17:14 GMT -5
MT: It was posted earlier in this thread that Uncle Chau was called back from Australia by the Government authorities.
Did he make contact with them?
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Post by Scott Ross on Feb 3, 2014 17:31:25 GMT -5
I don't want to answer for MT but my understanding is that there were around 300 friends in VN before this happened. Interesting. So, not just a loss of over 30% of the general fellowship, but at least a similar amount of elders..... all due to interference by foreigners. I would be willing to bet there will be more following the need to place their trust in Christ rather than foreign workers who don't care for the church, but rather their power. I feel sad for any other workers who have been laboring in Vietnam over the years. They must be really hurting to see how Dale has once again destroyed something that they have been laboring in love to establish and nurture. I hope that some people who are in Dale's area let them know how they feel about all this. It is obvious this isn't just some recent abuse of power, but has been ongoing for several years. This group who is following Christ rather than Dale, have made it clear that they are Christians, and not Daleians. Good for them, and I hope more of the friends there who are troubled by these developments follow Christ as well. A lot quicker decline than what took place in North America, and much more evident to all reading and watching, but similar results. I wonder if we will see such drastic decline now in other areas where the overseers are trying to impose their man made rules.
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